off topic from Re: The 5 stages of a Muslim turning Quran Aloner
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No more verses so why do you need to ADD hadith? Because you cant understand the message without them? brickwall
there is a difference between "verse" from God and saying or quote from the prophet . Quran is completed in verses. so as I see your manner attitude is to be always against hadith and attacking it .
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Not Hadith. Against the Prophet PBUH. They have a problem with the Prophet PBUH. Cannot you see this when she states 'some man' in her posts when talking about the Prophet PBUH. Utter contempt. They have a problem with the Prophet PBUH. Even though he came as A light and warner for ALL mankind as the Quran states, they still think he came only for his community at his time 1400 years ago, so the message is no longer relevant to them in this day and age.
Peace
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In conclusion, we don't need hadiths. bravo
that's not something new for me, and the hadith is not in need for you as well.
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there is a difference between "verse" from God and saying or quote from the prophet . Quran is completed in verses. so as I see your manner attitude is to be always against hadith and attacking it .
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion
The religion is perfected, that means complete, it needs no other hadith added to it.
010.037 This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
045.006 Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
I see by your manner and atitude that you dont fully believe Allah when He says it is complete, easy and perfect that you need to add other things after it. You insult Allah and you insult the prophet
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Not Hadith. Against the Prophet PBUH. They have a problem with the Prophet PBUH. Cannot you see this when she states 'some man' in her posts when talking about the Prophet PBUH. Utter contempt. They have a problem with the Prophet PBUH. Even though he came as A light and warner for ALL mankind as the Quran states, they still think he came only for his community at his time 1400 years ago, so the message is no longer relevant to them in this day and age.
PeaceYes, you're right . I've saw that they hate us because we love our prophet and we take his words, you know why they hate us because they have never took the words of the prophet in their own religions after their conversion, and they have never loved them as Muslims do for the prophet peace be upon him Muhammad
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This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion
The religion is perfected, that means complete, it needs no other hadith added to it.
010.037 This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
045.006 Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
I see by your manner and atitude that you dont fully believe Allah when He says it is complete, easy and perfect that you need to add other things after it. You insult Allah and you insult the prophet
yes, but don't you know that Prophet said that I am going to leave you with my sunnah and quran! please think about it!
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Not Hadith. Against the Prophet PBUH. They have a problem with the Prophet PBUH. Cannot you see this when she states 'some man' in her posts when talking about the Prophet PBUH. Utter contempt. They have a problem with the Prophet PBUH. Even though he came as A light and warner for ALL mankind as the Quran states, they still think he came only for his community at his time 1400 years ago, so the message is no longer relevant to them in this day and age.
PeaceI have nothing but love and respect for the prophet muhammed and all other prophets, thats why I follow who they followed. When I say 'some man' I mean the men who claimed these hadith were from the prophet of God the majority of which are an insult to the prophet.
The message came from God, not from the prophet, it came through him not from him. I will not worship a man whoever he may be, you can if you wish as thats your soul you sell. -
using a hadith to justify hadith? he also said dont take anything from me BUT QURAN rotfl
but dear sister, you are trying to understand Deen according to your own desires! We should understand Deen as taught by the Prophet don't you think?
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The religion is perfected, that means complete, it needs no other hadith added to it.
You don't even make difference between perfect and complete , so how you'll know other things? .
I see by your manner and atitude that you dont fully believe Allah when He says it is complete, easy and perfect that you need to add other things after it. You insult Allah and you insult the prophet
well, hadith is not an add-on for Quran, it is the second ligeslation after ligeslation in Quran. and they are totally separated from each other (Quran is in a book and hadith is in another book).
let me remind you that we believe in Quran and hadith, look at your side you believe in one thing and you might be wrong in understanding it , so after all you're the loser.
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but dear sister, you are trying to understand Deen according to your own desires! We should understand Deen as taught by the Prophet don't you think?
The prophet taught Quran, he taught what Allah told him, not what he had in his mind. So following Quran I am seeing what he saw. Quran says not to distinguish between any of the prophets so which one should I follow? Quran says religion of Abraham so should I search for his hadith? of course not, its all in Quran.
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Dear Ayisha
I think you are getting your tongue in a twist. Nobody worships the Prophet PBUH. We only worship Allah SWT. Period. This is the fundamental of Tawhid.
What you (PM's) don't seem to grasp is that the Prophet PBUH showed us in practice everything that we are supposed to do in the Quran and from the Quran. How to pray, how to fast, how to perform pilgrimage, how to marry, how to give in charity, how to treat the elderly , orphans, the poor and the wayfarers, how to conduct business, how to treat thy neighbour, how to distribute wealth etc etc. I have said it before and will say it again, if the Prophet PBUH had to deliver the Message in a clear and concise manner, then he had to understand every word of the Quran, both literally and physically because Allah SWT taught him, and then Prophet PBUH showed his companions, then the rest of the believers, who then showed their communities/progeny and so and so forth. If the Quran has been delivered for every Tom, Dick and Harry to interperate as they wish, then Allah SWT would never have used the Prophet PBUH to deliver the message over a 23 year period. It would have been placed on a rock in one full volume overnight, for everyone to grab, copy and interperate as they wish.
Let's take your stance for the moment and say okay, let's put everything to the side. I will be grateful of your understanding of the concept of prayer and pilgrimage. How do you do it and how would you advise someone like me to do it?
Peace
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You don't even make difference between perfect and complete , so how you'll know other things? .
well, hadith is not an add-on for Quran, it is the second ligeslation after ligeslation in Quran. and they are totally separated from each other (Quran is in a book and hadith is in another book).
let me remind you that we believe in Quran and hadith, look at your side you believe in one thing and you might be wrong in understanding it , so after all you're the loser.
one more thing " don't put words in my mouth".If something is perfect it is complete. Allah said both those words in reference to Quran.
saying hadith is the 2nd legislation IS ADDING it to the religion. Quran says you need no other book so why do you use another book?
'we' believe in........ who is the 'we' you are referring to? it doesnt include me and many like me, it may be what you believe but its not what I believe, I believe Allah made it clear we need nothing else after Quran, and hadith do NOT explain Quran and do NOT make understanding it easier, in fact hadith make a whole new religion based on what people said the prophet said, when many are clearly NOT from a prophet or anything to do with the relgion Allah sent WITH those prophets
call me a loser if it makes you feel better and more superior, your words dont harm me or my belief in God and His books. peace
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If something is perfect it is complete. Allah said both those words in reference to Quran.
this in english , not in Arabic >>>>>>>Quran is Arab, so you'll not understand it without the Arabic language. The translation just gave you an Idea about a verse but surely it'll stay an Idea wich can be wrong or a little bit right.
saying hadith is the 2nd legislation IS ADDING it to the religion. Quran says you need no other book so why do you use another book?
well, the second time adding to religion is different from adding in Quran, your posts are a mess .
'we' believe in........ who is the 'we' you are referring to? it doesnt include me and many like me, it may be what you believe but its not what I believe, I believe Allah made it clear we need nothing else after Quran, and hadith do NOT explain Quran and do NOT make understanding it easier, in fact hadith make a whole new religion based on what people said the prophet said, when many are clearly NOT from a prophet or anything to do with the relgion Allah sent WITH those prophets
you did the same thing "we need nothing else after Quran" ..who is the "we" you are referring to? it doesn't include me and many like me rotfl>>>> try to read my post very well.
call me a loser if it makes you feel better and more superior, your words dont harm me or my belief in God and His books. peace
this is not about feeling better, or more superior . This is about a fish out of water.
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Dear Ayisha
I think you are getting your tongue in a twist. Nobody worships the Prophet PBUH. We only worship Allah SWT. Period. This is the fundamental of Tawhid.
dear zulu, in every book I have read on tawhid there is very little from Quran and heaps from hadith, THAT is not tawhid. Tawhid is the worship of Allah ALONE.What you (PM's) don't seem to grasp is that the Prophet PBUH showed us in practice everything that we are supposed to do in the Quran and from the Quran. How to pray, how to fast, how to perform pilgrimage, how to marry, how to give in charity, how to treat the elderly , orphans, the poor and the wayfarers, how to conduct business, how to treat thy neighbour, how to distribute wealth etc etc. I have said it before and will say it again, if the Prophet PBUH had to deliver the Message in a clear and concise manner, then he had to understand every word of the Quran, both literally and physically because Allah SWT taught him, and then Prophet PBUH showed his companions, then the rest of the believers, who then showed their communities/progeny and so and so forth. If the Quran has been delivered for every Tom, Dick and Harry to interperate as they wish, then Allah SWT would never have used the Prophet PBUH to deliver the message over a 23 year period. It would have been placed on a rock in one full volume overnight, for everyone to grab, copy and interperate as they wish.
Let's take your stance for the moment and say okay, let's put everything to the side. I will be grateful of your understanding of the concept of prayer and pilgrimage. How do you do it and how would you advise someone like me to do it?
Peace
with respect sir, the prophet delivered the message AS IT WAS GIVEN to him. RECITE he was told and recite he did. He also made it clear NOT to take anything from him but Quran, he would not have DARED add anything else! Now you are saying that Allah gave him the 'details' of how to do these things and didnt put them in Quran? Allah says this book is DETAILED and ALL THINGS are explained, then why did he give a secret other message to Muhammed that one would have to BE THERE to see? that makes the Quran NOT for all and NOT for all times. There is NO proof good enough for me that Muhammed said or did ANYTHING that is in hadith, these are stories passed on for over 200 years after he died and picked up by some other men (Bukhari, Muslim). As for hajj, the Quran says to visit the sacred mosque if you can, it does not say run around the hills and kiss a black stone! THAT is shirk, THAT is doing something as part of a religion that God gave and He did NOT give those details, people were performing the pilgrimage long before Muhammed was born! yes you are supposed to read it for yourself and yes you are supposed to think what it says and use it for YOU. That is the test of faith, that is the test of who you are inside. Some read and see fighting and wars, others read and see beauty and signs of Gods creation, thats where the test is.
