62:5 donkey carrying books...
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Thereformer, that's a very good point. Asfar is not books. Maybe it's travel loads.
ok, thanks .
How would you translate 'bi aydee safarah' (80/15).
ah about this one " " or "bi Aydee Safarah" which means the in hands of angels . the adjectif of this word is "" or "safir" which means ambassador and the plural of this word is "" or "Safarah" which means " Ambassadors" .
and you know that the ambassador is a connexion between two countries and he travel between them, and the verse is the same meaning the ambassadors between God and the prophets are the angels and if you look back for the precedent verses of the same sura you'll find that God talks about his books which they are carried by angels to human . so the word Safarah means Angels because they carry books of God and they are the connexion between God and people .
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didnt give you much help in English though huh? (
what do you mean ? is there any problem in my english or you didn't understand what I said ?
yes, if it was in the baggage
I don't understand what do you mean ?
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Yes, Asfara "" is the baggages of a trip or the arabic word is "" which means also the baggeges. where did I find it ? did you forget that I'm Arabic, mostly God SWT gave me a gift in giving the right meanings of the word especially in Quran, I can understand a lot of words in classic Arabic plus my education which was very well in Arabic. Anyways let's move to the word
the word "" is typically a kind of plural but is different from the normal plural, this plural we called it " " whic is two types, one depends on hearing and one depends on measurement, and when you use this type of plural you feel that the word has broken and it turned to something else in its meaning but in fact the word stay in a connexion with the root of the word >> the root of this word is "" which means the trip or travel and the verb is "" which means he went in a trip .
the word "" is a noun and the plural of this noun is " " and this is a normal plural not the one that I have stated before .
this word "" means also the baggage but it always comes and the plural " " and we have to say " " or "" which both of them means the same thing which is baggages .
this word "" is from clasic Arabic, the new word which is also classic but still in use and modern Arabic too is "" or "".
ah by the way >>>> why would a Donkey carry a book ? hmm
The basic perception infolded in the Root is to remove the veil or covering from something so as to make it distinctly evident and visible.
It is also employed for sweeping since by removing away the dust etc the surface becomes evidently visible.
It is used for indicating that the wind scattered away the clouds, and here too, the original perception of the Root remains predominant, it makes the sky evidently visible.
refers to a person who is journeying . A man coming out of his house and on road becomes visible to others.
means food which a passenger takes along from his house
It nowhere is used for "Baggage".
Perception of the Root is evident from this verse
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This Root has been used 12 times in the Grand Qur'aan.
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For reason of someone suffering from disease or being in journey then completing of the count is in later days .http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/34.19.gif
Thereat they said, "Our Sustainer Lord! extend far between/for our journeys". And they did wrong to their selves,http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/034.%20B%20Saba.htm
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The basic perception infolded in the Root is to remove the veil or covering from something so as to make it distinctly evident and visible.
It is also employed for sweeping since by removing away the dust etc the surface becomes evidently visible.
It is used for indicating that the wind scattered away the clouds, and here too, the original perception of the Root remains predominant, it makes the sky evidently visible.
refers to a person who is journeying . A man coming out of his house and on road becomes visible to others.
means food which a passenger takes along from his house
It nowhere is used for "Baggage".
Perception of the Root is evident from this verseYou're using Lissan Al Arab " " >>> I don't know what to say, it is a good book for getting the meanings of the word but there is lack of a lot of words and also some meanings are not good.
so my explanation is good and God knows . by the way the baggages can be books for example . so as I said the meaning of the word is baggages and they could be everything (books, rubbish, fornitures, ..etc).
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I don't speak Arabic, but from what I see in this translation it is implied that what is being carried (in the baggage) is books.
Yes, you're right I've just forgot that what is being carried in the baggages are books or something else because Donkey can carry everything but in the verse it means that the donkey carry baggage of books .
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You're using Lissan Al Arab " " >>> I don't know what to say, it is a good book for getting the meanings of the word but there is lack of a lot of words and also some meanings are not good.
so my explanation is good and God knows . by the way the baggages can be books for example . so as I said the meaning of the word is baggages and they could be everything (books, rubbish, fornitures, ..etc).
I merely use all books to take assistance, but consider as Authority, only the Grand Qur'aan which narrates and defines the meanings and perception of its words itself.
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Had the gain been in sight/near and the journey was easy moderate distance indeed they would have physically followed you but the distance was long/hard for them.
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Thereafter when they had passed away that point he said for his servant, "Bring us our early lunch, indeed we have suffered/faced fatigue in our present journey".http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/018.%20Al%20Kahf/018.%20F%20Al%20Kahf.htm
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written on papers; considered exalted/life saving and kept at elevated places, purified; upon which this Qur'aan is written by the hands of those honourable, pious and just writers who write nicely making every word evident/prominent/unveiled.
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rotfl rotfl rotfl
are you laughing that brother Thereformer1 forgot? ???
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are you laughing that brother Thereformer1 forgot? ???
No im laughing because he gave all the blurb about its not about books, how can a donkey carry books, how good he is in Arabic, blowed his trumpet for all to hear and still comes back to it IS about books after all rotfl beaten in the Arabic by a non-Arab rotfl
sorry angel
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No im laughing because he gave all the blurb about its not about books, how can a donkey carry books, how good he is in Arabic, blowed his trumpet for all to hear and still comes back to it IS about books after all rotfl beaten in the Arabic by a non-Arab rotfl
sorry angel
but we all can forget, can't we? thats the weakness of our minds and sometimes our enemy Shaitan makes us forget! And the good thing is you get remember and come back!
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but we all can forget, can't we? thats the weakness of our minds and sometimes our enemy Shaitan makes us forget! And the good thing is you get remember and come back!
certainly one can forget but one has to know it in the first place to forget it. reformer spent rather a long time insisting it wasnt about books, and given his native Arabic and his vast education one would assume he would have 'remembered' long before all the blurb insisting the words were not as they were, wouldnt one? angel
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certainly one can forget but one has to know it in the first place to forget it. reformer spent rather a long time insisting it wasnt about books, and given his native Arabic and his vast education one would assume he would have 'remembered' long before all the blurb insisting the words were not as they were, wouldnt one? angel
I'm still insisting that it wasn't about books >>>>>> I said baggages and these baggages could be books . Baggages of Books but not books alone ....the baggage contains books and it can contain something else .the real meaning of the word is baggages.
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I'm still insisting that it wasn't about books >>>>>> I said baggages and these baggages could be books . Baggages of Books but not books alone ....the baggage contains books and it can contain something else .the real meaning of the word is baggages.
whatever hail
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I'm still insisting that it wasn't about books >>>>>> I said baggages and these baggages could be books . Baggages of Books but not books alone ....the baggage contains books and it can contain something else .the real meaning of the word is baggages.
Why an Arab is insisting to stick to that which slipped from him in the first instance. The object of the Verb, in accusative, is there, books; "he is carrying books" not that "these baggages could be books". Second thing is compatibility which is the subject discussed in the verse. Torat is a Book written on tablets, that can be comparerd only with books not baggages. Misl is always for a tangible thing like of the one quoted earlier.
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Why an Arab is insisting to stick to that which slipped from him in the first instance. The object of the Verb, in accusative, is there, books; "he is carrying books" not that "these baggages could be books". Second thing is compatibility which is the subject discussed in the verse. Torat is a Book written on tablets, that can be comparerd only with books not baggages. Misl is always for a tangible thing like of the one quoted earlier.
well, I've seen a lot of interpretation of this verse and all of these interpretations said "books", but I disagreed with these interpretations because it is not a good one and I have right to disagree with this interpretation while I can use Arabic to prove that they might be wrong . the example that God gave is about an animal which is a Donkey, which people have a wrong idea about this kind of animal and they said that this animal is dumb, no this is wrong and that's why those interpreters got their meanings from a false information through history. any example of an animal a horse or a camel if they carry books they will not understand , it is normal because they are animals , so why would God gave this example ? for one reason that Donkey has one mission is to carry things not like horse(can be used in different way and so the camel or the other animals ). I proved why I said baggages and I insisted that it's not books and the real meaning is baggages which they could be everything (books , forniture, rubbish, human, ..etc).
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well, I've seen a lot of interpretation of this verse and all of these interpretations said "books", but I disagreed with these interpretations because it is not a good one and I have right to disagree with this interpretation while I can use Arabic to prove that they might be wrong .
But the Arabic proved it was books, you agreed it was books ???
the example that God gave is about an animal which is a Donkey, which people have a wrong idea about this kind of animal and they said that this animal is dumb, no this is wrong and that's why those interpreters got their meanings from a false information through history.
does the verse say the animal is dumb? ???any example of an animal a horse or a camel if they carry books they will understand , it is normal because they are animals , so why would God gave this example ? for one reason that Donkey has one mission is to carry things not like horse(can be used in different way and so the camel or the other animals ). I proved why I said baggages and I insisted that it's not books and the real meaning is baggages which they could be everything (books , forniture, rubbish, human, ..etc).
so is it books in the baggage or not, in your opinion, as a native Arabic speaker with much education in Arabic? ???
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But the Arabic proved it was books, you agreed it was books ???
No, I can prove using Arabic that they are not books and God knows, I agreed that the Baggage is from books, because God SWT is talking about the people who carried the book of Moses without practicing it and obeying what came in it. but it could be anything else of baggages.
the real meaning as I know that the meaning is baggages .
does the verse say the animal is dumb? ???
No, but people when they talk about Donkey, they gave him the attributes of Dumb.
so is it books in the baggage or not, in your opinion, as a native Arabic speaker with much education in Arabic? ???
according to the verse the baggage of Books but it could be anything else and God knows.
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well, I've seen a lot of interpretation of this verse and all of these interpretations said "books", but I disagreed with these interpretations because it is not a good one and I have right to disagree with this interpretation while I can use Arabic to prove that they might be wrong . the example that God gave is about an animal which is a Donkey, which people have a wrong idea about this kind of animal and they said that this animal is dumb, no this is wrong and that's why those interpreters got their meanings from a false information through history. any example of an animal a horse or a camel if they carry books they will not understand , it is normal because they are animals , so why would God gave this example ? for one reason that Donkey has one mission is to carry things not like horse(can be used in different way and so the camel or the other animals ). I proved why I said baggages and I insisted that it's not books and the real meaning is baggages which they could be everything (books , forniture, rubbish, human, ..etc).
I don't know why a simple and straight forward example given in the verse is not distinctly being seen by an Arab. "Books" is the translation and not interpretation. The perception about donkey is not that of deaf, but of at times becoming stubborn and generally as lacking intelligence. People are compared with donkey, and the common thing between the two is carrying a specific book, and donkey carrying many books.
they are described like . What earlier one did afterwards they did not carry it except like a donkey who is carrying books. And very interesting thing is that they were given only One Book Torat while their people brought in books of a donkey load, as is the case with us these days that we have drafted and compiled on hearsay and conjectures as many books that make a donkey load.
All words made from this Root and used in the Qur'aan have been pasted. Nowhere it suggests "baggage". Can you quote for us from any Arabic Dictionary, earlier poetry, or learned Bukhari type people where it has been used for "baggage".
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No, I can prove using Arabic that they are not books and God knows, I agreed that the Baggage is from books, because God SWT is talking about the people who carried the book of Moses without practicing it and obeying what came in it. but it could be anything else of baggages.
I am sure you can try to prove from the Arabic that it was anything else you wish but it wont take away that the verse speaks of books, right? you agreed, right?the real meaning as I know that the meaning is baggages .
No it has been proven and you agreed the baggages in this verse are books, right? you agreed.No, but people when they talk about Donkey, they gave him the attributes of Dumb.
stick to the verse, stop adding things YOU think should be there and that YOU think people are thinking. Do you read minds?according to the verse the baggage of Books but it could be anything else and God knows.
Yes God knows and thats why He used the words He did. Its NOT anything else and according to the Arabic it IS books, so please stop saying it COULD be anything else. I am assuming if it was baggage of corn or clothing Allah would use a different word to the one that says it is books?
you were wrong, deal with it and accept a better understanding of the verses.