33:37 Prophet marrying with his adopted son's wife...
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This is not from any Bukhari things. so storp assuming .
the verse said " " , and it means that the prophet has feelings over her.
hey next time, know that the man that you're talking about him is in his tomb resting in pease, so give him a break.
I dont think whats in the verse in is dispute rather than the rest of your 'story' which is from Bukhari and Co.
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This is not from any Bukhari things. so storp assuming .
the verse said " " , and it means that the prophet has feelings over her.
hey next time, know that the man that you're talking about him is in his tomb resting in pease, so give him a break.
Curse is upon him who associates lies to the Messenger, do you understand what you are alleging against the Messenger of Allah?
He is saying this to his adopted son
And when you were saying to the one, upon whom Allah had bestowed favour and you had bestowed favour upon him, after he had divorced his wife, "You hold back your divorcee wife to you
and you are alleging he had something different in his heart, has feelings for her. -
Curse is upon him who associates lies to the Messenger, do you understand what you are alleging against the Messenger of Allah?
He is saying this to his adopted son
And when you were saying to the one, upon whom Allah had bestowed favour and you had bestowed favour upon him, after he had divorced his wife, "You hold back your divorcee wife to you
and you are alleging he had something different in his heart, has feelings for her.Look, you have lack of understand the verse so please stop asking me or even pointed out what I said ok ? .
the verse that you guys translate in english will not give the right meaning, so I better leave you doing whatever, I did my best to make you understand but as I see no life for the person who I call .
I'm wondering how do you know that the verse is talking about an adopted son? it is not mentioned at all .
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Curse is upon him who associates lies to the Messenger, do you understand what you are alleging against the Messenger of Allah?
He is saying this to his adopted son
And when you were saying to the one, upon whom Allah had bestowed favour and you had bestowed favour upon him, after he had divorced his wife, "You hold back your divorcee wife to you
and you are alleging he had something different in his heart, has feelings for her.Aha! I think I had a ! moment!
This " But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest thou didst fear the people" has been misinterpreted to be that the prophet had feelings for her when what it means is what was about to be made manifest was that it is legal to marry the divorced wife of your adopted son, which the Arabs at that time would have said was wrong!!
is that what you're saying Mazhar??
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Aha! I think I had a ! moment!
This " But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest thou didst fear the people" has been misinterpreted to be that the prophet had feelings for her when what it means is what was about to be made manifest was that it is legal to marry the divorced wife of your adopted son, which the Arabs at that time would have said was wrong!!
is that what you're saying Mazhar??
Ayisha! I am so pleased, may Allah and His Messenger be very happy with you. It is just wonderful understanding. The story of feelings for her in the presence of his emphatic advice to retain the wife and to be mindful and cautious of Allah was concocted by Munafiqeen who have ill feelings in the heart of their heart and expose it under cover of such deliberate misinterpretations.
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Ayisha! I am so pleased, may Allah and His Messenger be very happy with you. It is just wonderful understanding. The story of feelings for her in the presence of his emphatic advice to retain the wife and to be mindful and cautious of Allah was concocted by Munafiqeen who have ill feelings in the heart of their heart and expose it under cover of such deliberate misinterpretations.
Thank YOU Mazhar, i didnt realize that in all my learning and searching I was STILL keeping in the back of my mind things from hadith garbage that have crept into misinterpretting what I am reading! I feel you have taken one of the veils from my eyes!
so glad I started looking on this forum more bravo
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Thanks Aiysha . You may have noticed that Allah keeps negating and explaining how abhorring is this allegation/utterence of some people "Ar Rehman has adopted a son", whereas on face value it may look an ordinary assertion of not much import. But what is not stated yet incorporated in this utterence is of far more serious nature and allegations.
In the like manner the hadith literature was fabricated by Munafiqeen in such manner that on appearance it conveys some thing but what is hidden is of far more dirty nature, this is how they appeased their negative sentiments which they nurtured in envy of the Messenger of Allah.
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ok, let's take things seriousely, I'll prove that you used hadith to make your own interpretation which is still wrong, ah one more thing you have added a lot of things to the verse where did you find them?
And when you were saying to the one,upon whom Allah had bestowed favour and you had bestowed favour upon him, after he had divorced his wife,"You hold back your divorcee wife to you being the first and desirable option given by Allah to husbands in case of divorce, and you be cautious and afraid of Allah"
After divorce, husband has two options, retain divorcee wife or let her go respectably after the completion of "restrictive period known and decided by the husband, and also counted by him".How do you know that the verse mentioned a "divorce" action ? where do you find this ? the verse is definitely no mentionning of any kind of divorce , there just "hold back your wife" , which is an advice and an order from the prophet . this thing is in hadith , so where did you find this information of divorce in Quran? hmm
And you had the fear in the heart of your heart
what heart ? there is no heart in the verse, in fact there is "" and it is definitely not heart . so again where did you find that it is "heart of your heart" .
that
where did you find this thing in the verse ? did you exist at this time, I don't think so, so how the hell you know that God is talking about divorcing may not become a public, where is that in the verse , even the hadith doesn't mention what you said , are you a new prophet or an angel happens to give you the interpretations. where did these things exist in the verse ?
which Allah was going to make public;
Again where is that in the verse ? even the best interpretations from Ibn kathir and other famous interpreter of Quran didn't find that, so where and how do you know that the divorce was going to be public and where it mentioned that there is a divorce.?????
and you were apprehensive of people , and Allah is more deserving that you fear Him.
how do you know that the verse is talking about an adopted son ? this thing is in hadith only . so where did you find it.?
The fact of divorce first comes into the notice of the household and later becomes known to people if the husband has not retain/held back his divorcee wife on compromise/reconciliation.
where is that in the verse ?
Thereat when Zaid
first of all how do you know that Zaid is a name ?
second of all why you said (Allah is pleased with him), this is absolutely not in the verse, so where did you find it and why you adding sentence to the verse ? as I know there is no Allah is pleased with him ? we know from hadith that this is a name and this is a Sahabi and we say may Allah be pleased with him, these things are from hadith, so again why you mentioned it and where did you find it in the verse ?
conclusively fulfilled all after requirements from her
the same question, where do you find what you stated here in the verse ?
We caused the marriage of her with you, the Messenger
what cause ? the word is clear is "" which means we made it a wife for you .so where did you find that "we caused" ??
so thathenceforth there remains no harm and embarrassment for the believers in the matter of wives of so called sons when they have separated from some of them after fulfillment of divorce requirements/laid down formalities.
where did you find this story "in the verse"? I doubt it , so let me remind you that what you stated here is from hadith.
And the command/decision of Allah is bound to take physical existence/get executed.
where did you find ""? no way existing in the verse ????.
what about this ""Allah is bound to take physical existence/get executed."" where did you find that ? there is nothing like that in the verse certainly.
Question 4 is quite clarifying. The List is of those women who are not permissible is exhaustive. That List does not include or mention divorced or widowed women who were in the Nikah of so called sons. And here the reason mentioned is that henceforth there remains no "" which shows people were reluctant in marrying divorced or widowed wives of their adopted/or so called sons. This also abundantly makes clear that the man referred was one who was known as so called son of him.
nice, but die to know where did you find these things, even the famous interpreters of Quran in Islamic world will not interpret a verse like you do without basing in what came in hadith, so where did you find this in the verses ? ??????? .
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ok, let's take things seriousely, I'll prove that you used hadith to make your own interpretation which is still wrong, ah one more thing you have added a lot of things to the verse where did you find them?
How do you know that the verse mentioned a "divorce" action ? where do you find this ? the verse is definitely no mentionning of any kind of divorce , there just "hold back your wife" , which is an advice and an order from the prophet . this thing is in hadith , so where did you find this information of divorce in Quran? hmm
Your previous 'story' - "Anyways the prophet became a prophet to his nation and he propose marriage from Zainab for his adopted son Zaid, and they got married but after a year this marriage between Zaid and Zainab was not good, they were not ok, so Zaid and Zainab got divorce and the prophet liked Zainab but he felt that Quraish and people there will embarrased him because he will marry the divorced wife of his adopted son, so God obelished the first thing which is adoption and then made the woman valid for being married with the prophet because after all Zaid was not his son and the woman is Hallal for him to marry her."
we have established this was the wife of Zaid and that she married the prophet, so either there was a divorce as is clear in Quran, or you are saying she was married to BOTH men?
what heart ? there is no heart in the verse, in fact there is "" and it is definitely not heart . so again where did you find that it is "heart of your heart" .
If you read correctly you will see he said about the heart of their heart concerning the people who made up these stories about the prophet of God.where did you find this thing in the verse ? did you exist at this time, I don't think so, so how the hell you know that God is talking about divorcing may not become a public, where is that in the verse , even the hadith doesn't mention what you said , are you a new prophet or an angel happens to give you the interpretations. where did these things exist in the verse ?
Again where is that in the verse ? even the best interpretations from Ibn kathir and other famous interpreter of Quran didn't find that, so where and how do you know that the divorce was going to be public and where it mentioned that there is a divorce.?????how do you know that the verse is talking about an adopted son ? this thing is in hadith only . so where did you find it.?
where is that in the verse ?first of all how do you know that Zaid is a name ?
second of all why you said (Allah is pleased with him), this is absolutely not in the verse, so where did you find it and why you adding sentence to the verse ? as I know there is no Allah is pleased with him ? we know from hadith that this is a name and this is a Sahabi and we say may Allah be pleased with him, these things are from hadith, so again why you mentioned it and where did you find it in the verse ?
the same question, where do you find what you stated here in the verse ?what cause ? the word is clear is "" which means we made it a wife for you .so where did you find that "we caused" ??
where did you find this story "in the verse"? I doubt it , so let me remind you that what you stated here is from hadith.where did you find ""? no way existing in the verse ????.
what about this ""Allah is bound to take physical existence/get executed."" where did you find that ? there is nothing like that in the verse certainly.
nice, but die to know where did you find these things, even the famous interpreters of Quran in Islamic world will not interpret a verse like you do without basing in what came in hadith, so where did you find this in the verses ? ??????? .
I dont have time to read the rest of your babble now or reply to your falseties but remember what YOU wrote about this story then claimed it wasnt from Bukhari when it obviously was, as NOTHING you said resembled what is in Quran!
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we have established this was the wife of Zaid and that she married the prophet, so either there was a divorce as is clear in Quran, or you are saying she was married to BOTH men?
If you read correctly you will see he said about the heart of their heart concerning the people who made up these stories about the prophet of God.
I dont have time to read the rest of your babble now or reply to your falseties but remember what YOU wrote about this story then claimed it wasnt from Bukhari when it obviously was, as NOTHING you said resembled what is in Quran!Look, I've said before that I'll not respond to any word from you, so do the same or whatever you want but stay away from me. and just for your information the stroy is not from Bukhari.
I don't need to talk to a woman spends all her time in making cakes in Boards.
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ok, let's take things seriousely, I'll prove that you used hadith to make your own interpretation which is still wrong, ah one more thing you have added a lot of things to the verse where did you find them?
Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 111245 PM
And when you were saying to the one,upon whom Allah had bestowed favour and you had bestowed favour upon him, after he had divorced his wife,"You hold back your divorcee wife to you being the first and desirable option given by Allah to husbands in case of divorce, and you be cautious and afraid of Allah"
After divorce, husband has two options, retain divorcee wife or let her go respectably after the completion of "restrictive period known and decided by the husband, and also counted by him".Reformer How do you know that the verse mentioned a "divorce" action ? where do you find this ? the verse is definitely no mentionning of any kind of divorce , there just "hold back your wife" , which is an advice and an order from the prophet . this thing is in hadith , so where did you find this information of divorce in Quran?
Had this "philsophical posture" observation from hadith ridden Pakistan or Indian national I would have felt happy in explaining to him. But finding this stupid question from an Arab certainly pains me.
The Best Person and The Best Arab is quoted being talking. He has used the imperative second person masculine verb " " to a married person and can be said only to a person who has divorced his wife. An Arab is he who does not use words unnecessarily and a stupid Arab is he who does not comprehend that with relation to wife is said only when a person has divorced his wife.
After divorce first thing is this
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The Ta'laaq is permissible only on two occasions in married life.
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For reason of expiry of prescribed intervening period there is either mutual association or is partitionment/apartness in a respectable/decent/appropriate manner.Chapte2
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The Best Person and The Best Arab is quoted being talking. He has used the imperative second person masculine verb " " to a married person and can be said only to a person who has divorced his wife. An Arab is he who does not use words unnecessarily and a stupid Arab is he who does not comprehend that with relation to wife is said only when a person has divorced his wife.
No, sorry the word """ is before divorce, and this word is for trying to reform the situation between the woman and her husband . so basically the word talaq is not mentioned in the verse .
so answer the other questions ? you have failed in this one .
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Look, I've said before that I'll not respond to any word from you, so do the same or whatever you want but stay away from me. and just for your information the stroy is not from Bukhari.
you keep saying you will not respond to me but you do if only to be rude. I do not take any orders from you so I will continue to respond when I see you claiming rubbish regarding a prophet of Allah. Whether you respond or not is of no concern to me, your posts show yourself for what you are, which is NOT a person with any knowledge as you claim to have. Anyone reading can see that, it doesnt need me to point it out.I don't need to talk to a woman spends all her time in making cakes in Boards.
I have no idea at all what this is meant to mean, I can only assume you have something to say but are unable to voice it correctly. ???
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No, sorry the word """ is before divorce, and this word is for trying to reform the situation between the woman and her husband . so basically the word talaq is not mentioned in the verse .
so answer the other questions ? you have failed in this one .
Find little time to read the meanings of "Fa". You seem not to know the basic ABC of Arabic and have given a loud judgment. And now read this
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And when you husbands have pronounced divorce for your wives, for respectively determined intervening-duration/prescribed period for untying Nikkah, and they consequently have crossed over/elapsed/terminated/accomplished their respective appointed duration,http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.231m.gif
then/after the expiry of appointed duration you husbands take them in your fold or see off/partition/apart them respectfully, in accordance with the known norms of society . -
Find little time to read the meanings of "Fa". You seem not to know the basic ABC of Arabic and have given a loud judgment. And now read this
No, I've followed the whole thread from beginning and I didn't want to interupt your conversations, why do you assume that I don't know the basic ABC of Arabic ?
I think you have took lessons of Arabic but not as good as I see.
" " this is the right verse /what you wrote is wrong and it's distortion because there is "" not "fa" alone .
and for the meaning of the verse is too clear " " means take them back on equitable terms .
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" " means or part with them on equitable terms; or leave them in their owns on equitable terms.
so this is another situation and it is different from the first one that stated in the thread, and the word "Amsaka" can take different meaning in the sentence .but how do you know that from the first verse that there is a Talaq situation, it's not mentioned . Don't use other verse to point out your clue because there will be always different meanings according to the sentence where the word in.
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I think you have took lessons of Arabic but not as good as I see.
" " this is the right verse /what you wrote is wrong and it's distortion because there is "" not "fa" alone .
Talaq/Divorce has since been pronounced. Fa indicates in consequence of that act already done/taken place, then is the time/when they have since completed their prescribed term , fa thereat, at that point in time, hold them back in association. Pl don't put the cart before the horse. Fa indicated cause and effect and not effect and cause. There has to be cause present for asking somebody to holdback his wife. Why simple common sense things become difficult for people to retain while reading Qur'aan, I don't understand, perhaps Bukhari and company keep haunting.
And please look with open eyes the first line of the verse pasted that the verbs are perfect, and then comes the imperative verb.
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Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 111245 PM
And you had the fear in the heart of your heartwhat heart ? there is no heart in the verse, in fact there is "" and it is definitely not heart . so again where did you find that it is "heart of your heart"
.I promise to you that the day you remove the yokes Bukhari and company has put on you, you will conveniently understand and admit these simple things. Things are kept secret in the chests/hearts.
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The other interesting thing I find in the verse is how the name "Zaid" is not used in the start but in the middle. Isn't it more appropriate to replace "him" with "Zaid" and Zaid with he?
And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed.
And when you said to Zaid to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when he had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed.
What do you think Mazhar?