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Should the English transliteration of Allah have 3 Ls?

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    Just wondering what you guys think. Allah is written as in Arabic. ALLH, with a shadda over the 2nd L. That means the second L should be doubled, making it ALLLAH... Therefor there would be 3 Ls when transliterating to English, right?

    The only reason that I doubt that their should be 3 Ls in Allah, is because during the time of revelation, there was no such thing as a shadda. My guess is that in most words, the doubling of letters was not written but implied (invisible shadda), but the word Allah was so important that they physically wrote both Ls, in honor of the Great One.

    Later, diacritical markings and shadda were invented, and added... So I'm not sure if technically Allah should have 3 Ls, I think the shadda added above it was a human invention, who knows why it was added, probably because Allah was a contraction of al-ellah.. thus making 3 Ls when you delete the e.

    I'm kind of torn on the issue, would appreciate some other's input.

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      Edip_Yuksel
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      You are wrong in your speculation and you do not need to be torn out.

      "Can you explain it Edip?"

      I wish I could. I do not have time to teach elementary level Arabic in forums.

      Peace,
      Edip

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        You are wrong in your speculation and you do not need to be torn out.

        "Can you explain it Edip?"

        I wish I could. I do not have time to teach elementary level Arabic in forums.

        Peace,
        Edip

        I'm not saying your wrong... Cause you are right, I am just barely starting to learn the basics and I don't expect you to teach Arabic...

        But so.. There isn't a shadda over the second L? Am I hallucinating it? What's the point of a shadda that doesn't count?

        Maybe someone else that's knowledgeable can answer these questions, I'm confused.

        Peace

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          seattletruth
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          Can anybody explain this to me?

          Thanks.

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            Edip_Yuksel
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            Can anybody explain this to me?
            Thanks.

            Dear Seattle

            There are only 28 letters in Arabic Alphabet In Arabic Alphabet there is no such a thing called SHADDA. Decades after prophet Muhammad's departure calligraphers started adding diatrical marks to indicate the accurate sounding of words for non natives like you. Then, among many innovations was shadda, to indicate that the letters are not pronounced separately but are combined together. In other words, through shadda they wanted to tell non-Arabs to pronounce the word ALLAH as ALLAH rather than ALaLaH. Similarly Hamza too is not a letter; there is no Hamza in the oldest manuscripts of the Quran.

            Please refrain from making bold assertions when you have little knowledge about issues. We all should remember this important principle.

            Peace,
            Edip

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              Dear Seattle

              There are only 28 letters in Arabic Alphabet In Arabic Alphabet there is no such a thing called SHADDA. Decades after prophet Muhammad's departure calligraphers started adding diatrical marks to indicate the accurate sounding of words for non natives like you.

              Please refrain from making bold assertions when you have little knowledge about issues. We all should remember this important principle.

              Peace,
              Edip

              Bold assertion? I was simply asking others' opinions. If you read my original post, you would have seen that I also stated that I doubted that it should have three Ls because shadda was an innovation! I'm not sure how you missed that part of my post, because it constituted the majority of the message..

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              The only reason that I doubt that their should be 3 Ls in Allah, is because during the time of revelation, there was no such thing as a shadda. My guess is that in most words, the doubling of letters was not written but implied (invisible shadda), but the word Allah was so important that they physically wrote both Ls, in honor of the Great One.

              Later, diacritical markings and shadda were invented, and added... So I'm not sure if technically Allah should have 3 Ls, I think the shadda added above it was a human invention, who knows why it was added, probably because Allah was a contraction of al-ellah.. thus making 3 Ls when you delete the e.

              I'm kind of torn on the issue, would appreciate some other's input.

              Why do you jump to assumptions about my knowledge without even reading what I had to say?

              Please refrain from making bold assertions when you have little knowledge about issues. We all should remember this important principle.

              Peace.

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