Foreign vocabulary of Quran - book
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Anybody claiming to know the language and hence message, just by mere accident of birth. Please try to answer just few words from Arthur Jeffery's book. For a start prove that 951 is an Arabic word. In it's traditional meanings. Please prove, it follows any rules to make it an Arabic word. Use any LEXICON AND RULES OF ARABIC GRAMMAR. Not just by verbal claims and whims.
Peace,
BadarI'm not claiming to know the language, I know the language because it is my native language.
let's take a look for your word that you're claiming it is not Arabic .
The word " " came in the Quran in the surah 95, the verse 1 and here in this verse God is swearing by a kind of tree that contains a specific fruit called . So the word being in Quran means that it is an Arabic word for one reason that God sent this book written by Arabic and for Arabs. Why would God sent Quran to Arabs without contain Arabic words ?
." Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur??n in order that you may understand."
let's move to the Arabic context
the fruit in this tree which is the tree of "the Tin" one fruit in it called "" and the one who sells this kind of fruit we called it "" .
So the word is originally Arabic word .
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I'm not claiming to know the language, I know the language because it is my native language.
let's take a look for your word that you're claiming it is not Arabic .
The word " " came in the Quran in the surah 95, the verse 1 and here in this verse God is swearing by a kind of tree that contains a specific fruit called . So the word being in Quran means that it is an Arabic word for one reason that God sent this book written by Arabic and for Arabs. Why would God sent Quran to Arabs without contain Arabic words ?
." Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur?n in order that you may understand."
let's move to the Arabic context
the fruit in this tree which is the tree of "the Tin" one fruit in it called "" and the one who sells this kind of fruit we called it "" .
So the word is originally Arabic word .
Referance, please. What is three letter root for this word, from an Arabic Lexicon? Problem, we do not even try to read our own books.
Peace,
Badar
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At Page 67 the author incorrectly spells the word and then conjecturally suggests "it is possible...."
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Say, "O Allah, You are The Absolute Sovereign of the Kingdom,
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This is used 5 times in the Grand Qur'aan. And he thought that it was a puzzle for the early Grammarians. It was revealed to Arabs who spoke Arabic. When Allah quotes them, it means Allah is not translating hebrew or any other language for Arabs and non Arabs. Allah quotes the Arabs of Saudi Arabia of that time to have said,
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And when they said , "O Allah! If this is reciting to people] is a Statement of Fact from You{it is said by elite Meccans of those days who refused to believe/accept Qur'aan and they used the word, how could it be considered as borrowed by Qur'aan from outside Mecca?
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Mazhar
Where is this definition of word Root? Quote the reference.
I guess to understand Quran by the root process is not so help ful at all!
however i think this is the way they do itpeace mh,
I apologise for not being clear. If you download the sample, you should see some examples of what I mean. For example
= Alif-Meem-Nun = become/feel safe/secure, state of security/safety, become quiet/tranquil in heart/mind, become free of expectation of evil or free of an object of dislike/hatred, promise/assurance of security/safety, become trustful/faithful/confident, to believe/acknowledge it, manifestation of humility/submission
The file/list will show examples of usage in al-quran (click on the link) & possible meanings of the root. It can be as detailed as we want it.
If you have any further queries, feel free to ask.
Wakas
dear Mazhar
You have a nice site in urdu over there, although doesnot has much content but is good one, specially on Kaaba and Makkah. -
Mazhar
I guess to understand Quran by the root process is not so help ful at all!
however i think this is the way they do itHow would you then understand the words of Qur'aan, if you think you need not know and understand the meanings of the Roots from where the words used in Qur'aan emanated?
dear Mazhar
You have a nice site in urdu over there, although doesnot has much content but is good one, specially on Kaaba and Makkah.It seems you did not enter the site except seeing the introducing page.
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Where is this definition of word Root? Quote the reference.
Dear Mazhar, please read page 29 of William Wright's grammar Vol 1. Furthermore, in Lane's Lexicon almost all nouns have a verbal root. Even the ones Wright calls as primitive nouns.
Peace,
Badar
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Dear Mazhar, please read page 29 of William Wright's grammar Vol 1. Furthermore, in Lane's Lexicon almost all nouns have a verbal root. Even the ones Wright calls as primitive nouns.
Peace,
Badar
Page 29 discusses forms of the verb. And from this you, it is strange, presume he is talking about Roots; "The great majority of the Arabic verbs are trilliteral.........".
Majority of the Roots are also trilliteral. Arabic Root is placment of consonants in a sequence.
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Mazhar
How would you then understand the words of Qur'aan, if you think you need not know and understand the meanings of the Roots from where the words used in Qur'aan emanated?
I said, the root process to understand Quran is not so help full! It may be a factor to understand the quran but we need to know the history, the culture, the persons of that time, other scriputures, archaeoligical evidences and so on.
We need to study the Man, Muhammad.
A believer can understand the Quran and live by it even while possessing little or no Arabic knowledge, he doesnot have to find out tens and tens of meanings for one word and then choose the one that best fits him.History is witness to many people who are proficient in the Arabic language, yet made very twisted and perverted interpretations of the Quran, all while they are accepted to be well skilled in arabic roots and all those stuffs, otherwise we would not arrived at this situaution.
The people of Makkah do you think were not experts in arabic and donot understood the roots of these words used in Quran, The disbelievers of Makkah were expert in the language of the Quran, but they did not understand many of the concepts and similitudes of the Quran. They thus rejected it as being words of a madman.
What one needs to comprehend is that understanding the Qur'an means to understand correctly what is being told in the Verses, the concepts, lessons, signs, admonitions metaphors and imagery. All of these aspects of the Quran hold true regardless [of the language used.Mazhar
It seems you did not enter the site except seeing the introducing pagedear mazhar your site does not has much content though a good one.
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Page 29 discusses forms of the verb. And from this you, it is strange, presume he is talking about Roots; "The great majority of the Arabic verbs are trilliteral.........".
Majority of the Roots are also trilliteral. Arabic Root is placment of consonants in a sequence.
This is what I said before. When referred as trilliteral root, all books are implying to verbal root. Hence, whenever Arabic grammar is taught, they use as a dye to find, root consonants, of a word. However, if you have a different definition. Please share with a reference.
Peace,
Badar
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This is what I said before. When referred as trilliteral root, all books are implying to verbal root. Hence, whenever Arabic grammar is taught, they use as a dye to find, root consonants, of a word. However, if you have a different definition. Please share with a reference.
Peace,
Badar
A verb is a word while Root which contains the semantic core is not a word. Words are formed by supplying the root with a vowel structure and/or with affixes.
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A verb is a word while Root which contains the semantic core is not a word. Words are formed by supplying the root with a vowel structure and/or with affixes.
Very true, hence my question again. Please add vowels as you like, and make a know verb from root below. And show me a referance that it ever exsisted as a verb. Whereas, all other roots, one could.
Peace,
Badar
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 085453 AM
A verb is a word while Root which contains the semantic core is not a word. Words are formed by supplying the root with a vowel structure and/or with affixes.Very true, hence my question again. Please add vowels as you like, and make a know verb from root below. And show me a referance that it ever exsisted as a verb. Whereas, all other roots, one could.
Quote from Mazhar on April 21, 2010, 093415 PMPeace,
Badar
Praise for Allah that eventually you agreed that Root and what you call verbal root are something different.
And I did not expect such a thing will be your next question.
Did I ever say that this Root existed as a verb?
Why do you want to have a verb out of it?
Who told you that every Root must create/give birth to a verb? First let me know the name of that wise man, so that I could learn something more about Arabic. -
The people of Makkah do you think were not experts in arabic and donot understood the roots of these words used in Quran, The disbelievers of Makkah were expert in the language of the Quran, but they did not understand many of the concepts and similitudes of the Quran. They thus rejected it as being words of a madman
This shows either you have not yet read Qur'aan or you could not incline yourself to believe in what has been stated therein. They understood each and every word of Qur'aan. They were intelligent people, in worldly considerations. They refused to accept Qur'aan for reasons which are mentioned in the Qur'aan, not that they did not understand the words or concepts mentioned therein.
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Praise for Allah that eventually you agreed that Root and what you call verbal root are something different.
Dear, Mazhar what I am saying is this, a consonant skeletal of a word, called root, is what contains the semantics/meanings carried in it. is used as prototype by ancient Arab grammarians for this. This is a verb, even without vowels. Different declinations or affixes and prefixes can make different words out of it. All carrying the same core semantic/meaning, as is present in it's consonant skeletal.
However, there are no examples in Lexicons where only one noun is known and no other derivatives from a given semantics of a consonant skeletal. Which is, the case with the word in discussion. If you have an evidence to contrary that other words do exists from this root. Please bring that forwards with reference.
Peace,
Badar
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is used as prototype by ancient Arab grammarians for this. This is a verb, even without vowels.
This is NOT a verb even without vowels, it is written without indicating the vowels, and since it is a solitary word, not written in a text, the positioning of its vowels is only known to you. Please attend to what I wrote earlier and consult, in line with your habit of study, some lexicons, grammer books, to clear the confusion that has arisen in your mind, though unnecessarily. Not that Reformer says this, the Word under discussion is purely of Arabic origin and the author of the book of the thread is just a gossip and conjecture monger.
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Mazhar
This shows either you have not yet read Qur'aan or you could not incline yourself to believe in what has been stated therein. They understood each and every word of Qur'aan. They were intelligent people, in worldly considerations. They refused to accept Qur'aan for reasons which are mentioned in the Qur'aan, not that they did not understand the words or concepts mentioned therein.
What shows what? Please read carefully what I posted before you pass any judgement.
dear mazhar your site does not has much content though a good one.
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Mazhar
What shows what? Please read carefully what I posted before you pass any judgement.It was in response to this judgment of yours please
The people of Makkah do you think were not experts in arabic and donot understood the roots of these words used in Quran, The disbelievers of Makkah were expert in the language of the Quran, but they did not understand many of the concepts and similitudes of the Quran. They thus rejected it as being words of a madman.