Peacemaking and Peacemakers in the Great Reading
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Rhanks, Raaajah sahib,
I have a word in front of me the most important one
"Allah" What does Grammar says about this word? How can Grammar help us in understanding this word, for example is this word Common noun or Proper noun? or for example how can Grammar help us to understand the following
Ma Malakat Aymanukum, that will really help.is and grammer has no role. Grammer will come into play when it is used in a sentence.
In its first occurrence it is part of Apodosis clause. is a Relative pronoun and being in apposition it is in accusative state there; it mostly refers to non rational-abstract objects; is a perfect verb, third person, singular; feminine. is a possessive phrase where both noun and possessive pronoun are plural. The first noun is the subject of preceding verb. "Kum" includes men and women of the society-group of people being addressed.
is firm resolve, oath, which also results undertaking of an obligation, liability and responsibility.
A financially poor man does not have such "hands" which possess "slave girl" or "maid servant"----see 425. -
Mazhar sahib
In its first occurrence it is part of Apodosis clause. is a Relative pronoun and being in apposition it is in accusative state there; it mostly refers to non rational-abstract objects; is a perfect verb, third person, singular; feminine. is a possessive phrase where both noun and possessive pronoun are plural. The first noun is the subject of preceding verb. "Kum" includes men and women of the society-group of people being addressed.
is firm resolve, oath, which also results undertaking of an obligation, liability and responsibility.
A financially poor man does not have such "hands" which possess "slave girl" or "maid servant"----see 425.Well plural but masculine
The word aymnuhum here is N ? nominative masculine plural noun
PRON ? 3rd person masculine plural possessive pronounany way
Now what I meant to say was that see for example your translation of 2306except seeking their mates or from the right which they possessed . In consequence indeed they are not the blamed ones.
How did Grammar alone helped you to arrive at this translation? or how can Grammar help any one to arrive at this conclusion/translation. Hope I have clarified what I am trying to ask.
Mazhar Sahib
One may know the individual meanings of all the three words. But he can not understand what has been stated by the speaker unless he knows about the role of case endings which will enable him to identify as to who is the subject of verb and who is the object of verb. And this is grammer.
In the above case from grammar we come to know who is subject of verb and what is the object of verb, but how do you come to know what is that the MEN possess their right over?
is and grammer has no role. Grammer will come into play when it is used in a sentence.
Using the word Allah as a common noun or proper noun is Grammar, may be I am wrong please correct me if I am.
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Using the word Allah as a common noun or proper noun is Grammar, may be I am wrong please correct me if I am.
A proper noun shall always remain a proper noun. And so is a common noun. Its visible or estimated state, i.e. case endings determine the role when it is an element of a sentence.
There is a detailed classification of women for the purposes of constituting a new family unit.
One sub group in the classification of women is
It includes women who are under the protection and command of persons who are not the family of those women, maid servants.
The other women that may happen to be present without their families are those believing women, already in marriage bond with non-believing men, who migrated to believing society. They are now under the protection and are obligation of the believing society, not to be allowed to be repatriated to their respective non believing husbands.
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A proper noun shall always remain a proper noun. And so is a common noun. Its visible or estimated state, i.e. case endings determine the role when it is an element of a sentence.
There is a detailed classification of women for the purposes of constituting a new family unit.
One sub group in the classification of women is
It includes women who are under the protection and command of persons who are not the family of those women, maid servants.
The other women that may happen to be present without their families are those believing women, already in marriage bond with non-believing men, who migrated to believing society. They are now under the protection and are obligation of the believing society, not to be allowed to be repatriated to their respective non believing husbands.
Salam,
Please consider revising your knowledge about MMA, you seem to confine "MMA" as to be only a subcategory of women, when AlQuran consider "MMA" to be possessed either by men and women as per 2431.
ps why are you debating about MMA in a this thread? There are many already open thread about this subjetc.
Regards
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Using the word Allah as a common noun or proper noun is Grammar, may be I am wrong please correct me if I am.
Anything under the sun can be a proper name. A proper name is essentially a meaningless label and this is why it is not translated. So you call your friend Mazhar in any language and it doesn't mean that he is really an "appearance", which is what the word means in Arabic. So when you take the word "allah" as a proper name and not translate it you make it meaningless exactly like any name of any of your friends, which doesn't reflect the truth about them. If it reflects truth then it must be a common noun. This is a universal fact in all languages independent of culture and their rules of grammar.
The rules of grammar would help you understand that the word "allah" is actually an abbreviation of "al-ilah" and that the "al" is the definite article and thus means "the god" unlike what Mazhar and you are claiming. I am surprised that Mazhar who is arguing so strongly for grammar has ignored such a simple rule that ONLY when you add the "li" (to) proposition to a word with the definite article the letter Alif is removed in the definite article and this is why we get "lilah". This is something that every native speaker knows without having to learn it.
Another example that every native Arabic speaker knows is that when you use a calling device such as the Arabic "ya" with a word with a definite article you have to add a pointing device. So you say "ya ayoha alrajul" (O you the man) and not "ya alrajul" (O the man). However, using the pointing device "ayuha" is a disrespectful way of talking to someone. This is why the standard Arabic way of calling using "ya" is never used in the great reading with the word "allah"/"al-ilah". Instead with "allah" you say "allahum" to mean "O the god" to avoid using the disrespectful pointing device "ayuha". These are all nuances of language that cannot be easily appreciated by a non-native speaker. Yes a non-native can learn the grammar but unless they become fluent speakers and immersed in the linguistic culture it is hard to know that saying something, although grammatically correct, would sound disrespectful because of the presence of the definite article and therefore in the case of "the god"/"allah" it has to be said another way.
I hope this helps clarify things a little for you.
Peace,
Ayman
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Anything under the sun can be a proper name. A proper name is essentially a meaningless label and this is why it is not translated. So you call your friend Mazhar in any language and it doesn't mean that he is really an "appearance", which is what the word means in Arabic. So when you take the word "allah" as a proper name and not translate it you make it meaningless exactly like any name of any of your friends, which doesn't reflect the truth about them. If it reflects truth then it must be a common noun. This is a universal fact in all languages independent of culture and their rules of grammar.
Proper Name is not translated in any language because it refers and points towards a specific person. A person is not a commodity or a concept that may have different descriptions in different societies. Proper name is the truth of one's existence. Proper name is or , it signifies the essence of something or a meaning established in or of itself. We refer it as Concrete Noun.
"So you call your friend Mazhar in any language and it doesn't mean that he is really an "appearance", which is what the word means in Arabic."
This understanding converts a Concrete Noun into an Abstract noun which signifies the occurence of an action or a meaning established in other than the noun itself. When Mazhar is not a Propoer Noun, then it is a derived noun which may be translated in other languages but as Personal Name it cannot be translated otherwise it will not convey the perception of existence of a man by the name MAZHAR.
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Yes a non-native can learn the grammar but unless they become fluent speakers and immersed in the linguistic culture it is hard to know that saying something, although grammatically correct, would sound disrespectful because of the presence of the definite article and therefore in the case of "the god"/"allah" it has to be said another way.
I hope this helps clarify things a little for you.
Peace,
Ayman
Yes a Lot! only addition in my opinion is not only in linguistic culture but immerse in Culture of that time as whole.
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Yes a Lot! only addition in my opinion is not only in linguistic culture but immerse in Culture of that time as whole.
Exactly. This is precisely why nowadays people who take "allah" to be a proper name and not "the god" make the mistake of saying "ya allah" when it should have been "allahum" according to the linguistic culture at the time of the revelation of the great reading. So saying "ya allah" is both grammatically wrong and culturally wrong.
Peace,
Ayman
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"ths" does not claim to be an Arab, he merely said grown up in Middle East.
I am Arab. I was born and raised in the Middle East. I speak Arabic at home with my family.
You guys are making a huge deal out of this. Just because I speak arabic it doesn't mean I can fill out a verb form table.
Despite this, I still filled most of it out correctly. I skipped parts I was unsure about.
Go and ask a native Saudi what Form 5 is for S-L-M and he'll give you a blank stare.
Similarly, go and ask a native Brit what a subjunctive case is and get the same blank stare.
Natives will often understand a language intuitively, and not have a clue about the grammar. Studying it, however, gives a deeper understanding of the language. Especially with Arabic, since it's a diglossia, where the fus7a differs to a great extent to the 3ammiya that is spoken at home and in the streets.
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I am Arab. I was born and raised in the Middle East. I speak Arabic at home with my family.
You guys are making a huge deal out of this. Just because I speak arabic it doesn't mean I can fill out a verb form table.
Despite this, I still filled most of it out correctly. I skipped parts I was unsure about.
Go and ask a native Saudi what Form 5 is for S-L-M and he'll give you a blank stare.
Similarly, go and ask a native Brit what a subjunctive case is and get the same blank stare.
Natives will often understand a language intuitively, and not have a clue about the grammar. Studying it, however, gives a deeper understanding of the language. Especially with Arabic, since it's a diglossia, where the fus7a differs to a great extent to the 3ammiya that is spoken at home and in the streets.
Pleased to know it.
Agreed with all. This is what I emphasise that grammer is meant and is a must for non natives to understand the speech. Natives do not need it for speech. But they need it when they wish to write about something so that the reader correctly perceives what he is trying to say. Natives have a subject in the studies about their own language.
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Hello brothers & sisters!
Sorry for detering this post
but this subject is interesting,
what do you think about this word in hebrew, I think it's the exact equivalent of the word ? ? in Arabic;Conjugation of / LehAshlim
Verb HIF'IL
Root - -Meaning to complete; to accept, to reconcile oneself
Active forms
http//i.imgur.com/5bvQaXB.jpgPassive forms
http//i.imgur.com/QfDH18K.jpgMay peace be with all of you sun
