What does God mean in verses where he mentions hadith?
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Never. Not once. No occurence of the words 'hadith' and 'sunna' in Quran ever refer to the Prophet's hadith.
aha, who told you that ? an angel or you know the unknown , ah no maybe you were there with them.
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'Salaam Aleykum.
Weren't the Hadith written like 200 years after Prophet's death and the first Qur'an?
(Peace be upon him.)Wa Alaykom Asalam .
No, Hadith is already written in the existence of the prophet and because of Sahaba have spread on the earth spreading Islam everywhere what makes it difficult to know how the prophet was doing things and what was his orders(because every Sahaba knew something, the other sahaba don't know and vice cersa), so here came Bukhari but there were people before him who they already wrote Hadith, and he gathered Hadith from Shouyoukh and from "A-ima" and he studied it and he made what we called it Today "Sahih al-Bukhari" .
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Ok do this one
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But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.Hadith is not idle tales, I'm with knowledge( I doubt you're), Hadith's aim is not mislead in fact it is the opposite.
Now my question do you know what God means by "Idle tales" ?
Seems you are not with knowledge, God didnt say idle tales did He, He said HADITH. God says hadith mislead, you contradict God. You still didnt explain the verse that you asked for.
I didnt set out to 'prove' anything, you keep telling me to 'prove' it is the hadith of Bukhari and I told you that is NOT what I said.
The only one starting to babble is you, what I am saying is quite clear.No, you're not . You wanted to say that Hadith Bukhari is what Quran talks about. So let me remind you you're just adding words from your opinions and your desires to God's words because God didn't say that .
Now you are telling me what I wanted to say? You are adding your desires and opinions to Gods words because God DID say hadith and you KNOW He did. You are trying to prove He didnt!Can you prove its NOT about hadith of Bukhari?
Yes, sure >>> I've said that God pointed out that the speech is for the non-believers from Christians and Jewish and the disbelievers of Arabs . Are they the people that have Hadith of Bukhari?????? let me remind you that 1.5 billion Muslims in the world have hadith of Bukhari.
And I have pointed out that God was telling Muhammed that of some of HIS people there are those that follow HADITH not from God, you conveniently ignored that FACT. I have also pointed out that a non-believer (according to GOD) is one who doesnt follow Gods word but follows hadith of others instead = YOU and other hadithist. Also let me remind you of 6116 which mentions your 1.5 billion muslims following hadith. You have NOT proved this is NOT about bukhariIs that the correct response towards someone asking you about Islam? You go off in a tantrum stamping your feet refusing to answer and explain?
No, you're not asking me about Islam, you're asking me to follow your fallacies from your antecedent religion that you wanted to realize it in our religion.Interpret the verses by your own desires and your own opinions let alone that you take Islam by english and you read Quran in english . So it is a new version of Islam has been made by the ennemeies of Islam .
RUBBISH! we are discussing Quran arent we? we are discussing Islam so stop whinning and answer the questions YOU said you could answer. I have quoted IN ARABIC what is said in those verses in ARABIC and the word in ARABIC is HADITH. Now you prove to me that HADITH is NOT what God is talking about and you prove to me what HADITH He IS talking about. Its no good saying He was talking to Jews and Christians because I have already proved you wrong.
Yes I do know what these verses mean but you are claiming that hadith doesnt mean hadith, so I am asking YOU to explain what it does mean according to you. if you cannot do that then say 'I dont know' rather than stomping off refusing to 'share' like a spoilt child.
I think you have got your answer before, go read and conclude .
I have my answer and that is you cant answer the questions and keep saying God didnt say hadith when He clearly DID. You deny God and His message and follow HADITH which you are told NOT to by God. Who is the non-believer?
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Wa Alaykom Asalam .
No, Hadith is already written in the existence of the prophet and because of Sahaba have spread on the earth spreading Islam everywhere what makes it difficult to know how the prophet was doing things and what was his orders(because every Sahaba knew something, the other sahaba don't know and vice cersa), so here came Bukhari but there were people before him who they already wrote Hadith, and he gathered Hadith from Shouyoukh and from "A-ima" and he studied it and he made what we called it Today "Sahih al-Bukhari" .
So the one hadith where Muhammed said do NOT write anythign from me BUT Quran, the sahaba totally ignored even while he was still alive. Proves that the verse that says 'of those among YOU are some that follow hadith' so He wasnt talking about Jews and Christians.
reformer give up, you have lost this battle, you are contradicting yourself and have failed miserably in your attempt to lead people off the path of God.
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Of course. The Quran says it is "mufassal" (detailed); they say "NO, it is not detailed. Show us from the Quran where will you put your fingers during the prayer or how will you wash your mouth during ablution?"
Aha, you don't know the word in Arabic of detailed, it is detailed in ligeslations " " and the details need to be "" explained . here the hadith came to explain and to interpret .
let's see this verse and let's see your answer
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Of course. The Quran says it is "mubin" (open) "yassarna liz Zikri" (We made it easy to understand); they say "NO, it is not easy to understand. We cannot understand the Quran without explanation of hadith and sunna."
Aha, Really, that shows that you have never understand a word in the way it is . Try this and let me see your answer
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can you give me the translation of the word in Red and its meanings according to what you said before in your post?
Try this one too
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Of course. The Quran says it is "tamam" (complete); they say "No, it is useless without hadith and sunna"
You're a liar, no one from us (Sunna or any other sects of Muslims) said before or today that Quran is useless. In fact it is you before being converting .
I'm not wondering if you're an agent has been sent from Satan .Of course. The Quran says it is unique as the source of guidance and challenges the ingrates to bring "hadithin mislihi" (A HADITH LIKE IT); they say "No, Abu Dawud narrates a hadith claiming that the Prophet Muhammad was given the Quran and its like."
I think this verse, it is your best comment about you
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I can continue this list until thousand, and you will still be blind and deaf to the glaring fact prophetically declared in verse 25.30
Yes, you can continue your misleading people and your Ignorance . You have just blew your cover >>>A Blind and Deaf.
when a blind leads a blind,both shall fall in a dith .
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How about simple research? The tools are out there and easy to use. You don't need an angel for that. http//foolstown.com/sm/inc.gif
what simple research ? the only research I see here is (YOUR OWN DESIRES)
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he read Quran to find that. If you disagree as you obviously do, prove him wrong.
I understand Quran better than you. you can lost if I use the Arabic language .
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Aha, you don't know the word in Arabic of detailed, it is detailed in ligeslations " " and the details need to be "" explained . here the hadith came to explain and to interpret .
so God is a liar when He says it is detailed and complete? Complete means finished. means nothing after it. no other instruction book given in secret.let's see this verse and let's see your answer
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Aha, Really, that shows that you have never understand a word in the way it is . Try this and let me see your answer
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can you give me the translation of the word in Red and its meanings according to what you said before in your post?
Try this one too
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Blurb to mislead and get off this subject.
You're a liar, no one from us (Sunna or any other sects of Muslims) said before or today that Quran is useless. In fact it is you before being converting .
I'm not wondering if you're an agent has been sent from Satan .
satan misleads by making some follow hadith instead of Gods words. thats what YOU are doing. Not one from you DARE say Quran is useless but you do say it is useless without HADITH, you just did.I think this verse, it is your best comment about you
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more blurb to turn form the fact you know nothing of Gods messageYes, you can continue your misleading people and your Ignorance . You have just blew your cover >>>A Blind and Deaf.
when a blind leads a blind,both shall fall in a dith .
You are the blind misleading people away from the Quran. You are the satan trying to turn people away form Gods Words and over to mans hadith, as Quran warns about people like you.
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what simple research ? the only research I see here is (YOUR OWN DESIRES)
Do you even bother to think for a moment before you hit the button and post one of your endlessly repeated phrases? confused
We were talking about the occurence of particular words in the Qur'an
Never. Not once. No occurence of the words 'hadith' and 'sunna' in Quran ever refer to the Prophet's hadith.
Where and how often a word occurs in the Qur'an is a simple fact that anyone can check. There is no possibility of influencing the outcome of that research according to "your desires". Either a word appears in the Qur'an so and so many times, or it doesn't. I thought that was obvious, your facetious remarks about needing an angel or knowledge of the unknown in order to find these things out was highly illogical.
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I understand Quran better than you. you can lost if I use the Arabic language .
then prove him wrong. If you understand as you say you do, prove it with a verse or verses.
if you understand how come you are saying hadith doesnt mean hadith in those verses? ;D
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Seems you are not with knowledge, God didnt say idle tales did He, He said HADITH. God says hadith mislead, you contradict God. You still didnt explain the verse that you asked for.
You don't know the words, so why I'm disturbing myself with a woman can't even differ between collocation a word alone. first of all you said "idles tales" look at your post , I've just asked you what God meant by this ? so instead of answer me, you said that I'm the one who said this word .What a joke , go make breakfast for your husband.
Now you are telling me what I wanted to say? You are adding your desires and opinions to Gods words because God DID say hadith and you KNOW He did. You are trying to prove He didnt!
Yes, God said Hadith, I'm asking you does he means that the Hadith is hadith of Bukhari ? if Yes prove it ? .
And I have pointed out that God was telling Muhammed that of some of HIS people there are those that follow HADITH not from God, you conveniently ignored that FACT.
This is about another hadith not hadith of Bukhari . The Jewish have brought with them there antecedent stories from their books and they have fascinated the Arabs by these stories and they asked the prophet about those stories and then the verse talked about that some people followed not physicaly but emotionaly and they liked these stories which was not from God .
I have also pointed out that a non-believer (according to GOD) is one who doesnt follow Gods word but follows hadith of others instead = YOU and other hadithist. Also let me remind you of 6116 which mentions your 1.5 billion muslims following hadith. You have NOT proved this is NOT about bukhari
see above (the stories of Jewish) .
RUBBISH! we are discussing Quran arent we? we are discussing Islam so stop whinning and answer the questions YOU said you could answer. I have quoted IN ARABIC what is said in those verses in ARABIC and the word in ARABIC is HADITH. Now you prove to me that HADITH is NOT what God is talking about and you prove to me what HADITH He IS talking about. Its no good saying He was talking to Jews and Christians because I have already proved you wrong.
I think you have got your answer before, go read and concludeSee above .
I have my answer and that is you cant answer the questions and keep saying God didnt say hadith when He clearly DID. You deny God and His message and follow HADITH which you are told NOT to by God. Who is the non-believer?
No one of us is a non-believer, if you want to call this way, fine but know that it is a sin . Anayways you didn't give me any answer just a contraduction of terms (see above) turning what I said to what you said . there was a man in the age of the prophet who knows a lot of stories maybe Satan have helped him in making up these stories and the people there have been fascinated by these stories, they are the hadith of this guy . The stories are the hadith of this person .
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Do you even bother to think for a moment before you hit the button and post one of your endlessly repeated phrases? confused
We were talking about the occurence of particular words in the Qur'an
Never. Not once. No occurence of the words 'hadith' and 'sunna' in Quran ever refer to the Prophet's hadith.
Where and how often a word occurs in the Qur'an is a simple fact that anyone can check. There is no possibility of influencing the outcome of that research according to "your desires". Either a word appears in the Qur'an so and so many times, or it doesn't. I thought that was obvious, your facetious remarks about needing an angel or knowledge of the unknown in order to find these things out was highly illogical.Yeah, right because you're Miss.Logic o . we don't need philosophy to understand your whatever
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if you understand how come you are saying hadith doesnt mean hadith in those verses? ;D
Hadith in those verses is not about Hadith of Bukhari. The end of the story . I'm the one who knows Arabic not you .
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so God is a liar when He says it is detailed and complete? Complete means finished. means nothing after it. no other instruction book given in secret.
hey, please respect God and don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say . and if you were before not respecting God, because you were living in your fallacies and your darkness, fulll of hatred over Muslims, try to do now (respect) God and Muslims as well . We avoid attributing any bad words to God, so do the same .
And next time read my post , I said in other words that these details and these completion need an explanation and this explanation can be by deeds and reports and interpretations and sayings from the prophet .
Blurb to mislead and get off this subject.
satan misleads by making some follow hadith instead of Gods words. thats what YOU are doing. Not one from you DARE say Quran is useless but you do say it is useless without HADITH, you just did.
You are the blind misleading people away from the Quran. You are the satan trying to turn people away form Gods Words and over to mans hadith, as Quran warns about people like you.Blow your cover, a you're still living in your old religion (the false one). No one from sunna is calling people to stay away from Quran, in fact they said the opposite and of course they know better the words of God better than a bunch tried to ruin Islam .
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Seems you are not with knowledge, God didnt say idle tales did He, He said HADITH. God says hadith mislead, you contradict God. You still didnt explain the verse that you asked for.
You don't know the words, so why I'm disturbing myself with a woman can't even differ between collocation a word alone. first of all you said "idles tales" look at your post , I've just asked you what God meant by this ? so instead of answer me, you said that I'm the one who said this word .What a joke , go make breakfast for your husband.
You forgot this on page 1
Ayisha Prove its not. I looked at the verses IN Arabic and my husband who is Egyptian verified what they said. There are a few verses there, not just one. I dont understand what you mean by 'how do you know that translation is right and it is really what it is now ? are you saying that the Arabic in Quran is not Arabic or that the meanings of words have changed?
Reformer Yes, I can prove it they will be thousands of words . just bring to me a verse translated in english and I will show you where your fallacies stand
Ayisha Ok do this one
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But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.So it was YOU that asked and claimed you can prove it doesnt mean what it does mean. Still waiting.
Now you are telling me what I wanted to say? You are adding your desires and opinions to Gods words because God DID say hadith and you KNOW He did. You are trying to prove He didnt!
Now you are telling me what I wanted to say? You are adding your desires and opinions to Gods words because God DID say hadith and you KNOW He did. You are trying to prove He didnt!
Yes, God said Hadith, I'm asking you does he means that the Hadith is hadith of Bukhari ? if Yes prove it ? .
And I have repeatedly said that I didnt claim it WAS bukhari so you are doing your usual circular roll about because you cant answer what you claimed you could AGAIN. Now I have asked you to prove its NOT about bukhari as you seem to want to play around hadith only being bukhari hadith. You cannot prove its NOT about Bukhari can you?And I have pointed out that God was telling Muhammed that of some of HIS people there are those that follow HADITH not from God, you conveniently ignored that FACT.
This is about another hadith not hadith of Bukhari . The Jewish have brought with them there antecedent stories from their books and they have fascinated the Arabs by these stories and they asked the prophet about those stories and then the verse talked about that some people followed not physicaly but emotionaly and they liked these stories which was not from God .
RUBBISH! where does Quran say that? and why does God say 'there are men among YOU', meaning men of the prophets? Did Jews belong to the companions of the prophet?bukhari wasnt even written then, this is warning you against them, ANY hadith that are not from GOD.
I have also pointed out that a non-believer (according to GOD) is one who doesnt follow Gods word but follows hadith of others instead = YOU and other hadithist. Also let me remind you of 6116 which mentions your 1.5 billion muslims following hadith. You have NOT proved this is NOT about bukhari
see above (the stories of Jewish) .
Not good enough. If Quran is to be taken for ALL TIMES, then it is warning for ALL hadith that are not from God.See above .
No one of us is a non-believer, if you want to call this way, fine but know that it is a sin .
coming from one who decides daily who is or isnt a believer thats hilarious! I have pointed out what GOD says is not a believer and if the cap fits wear it.Anayways you didn't give me any answer just a contraduction of terms (see above) turning what I said to what you said . there was a man in the age of the prophet who knows a lot of stories maybe Satan have helped him in making up these stories and the people there have been fascinated by these stories, they are the hadith of this guy . The stories are the hadith of this person .
that were passed on and later collected by BUKHARI and passed off as hadith of the prophet which have led people like you OFF the path of God and onto the path of those who disbelieve in Gods Words!