Convo On Hereafter/Paradise, Suicide, Gays etc.
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peace,
anyways there are a lot of topics we discuss here, I want to know your opinion on them
ELE=me
Weak=anonymous for nowWeak Faith272 peace
ELEPlaya4Life peace
Weak Faith272 sup
ELEPlaya4Life nothing at the moment
Weak Faith272 hey what do u think
Weak Faith272 is the punishment for suicide
Weak Faith272 the sunnis asy
Weak Faith272 that in hell
Weak Faith272 u will kill urself
Weak Faith272 the way ud id
Weak Faith272 over over again
Weak Faith272 for example
Weak Faith272 keep shooting urself
ELEPlaya4Life i think its hell
PoOKiez 88 wants to directly connect.
PoOKiez 88 is now directly connected.
Weak Faith272 but how can God do that
Weak Faith272 i mean
Weak Faith272 not like that
Weak Faith272 He can doa nything
Weak Faith272 but
Weak Faith272 sending someone who was say, perhaps emotionally disturbed
Weak Faith272 into hellfire?12
ELEPlaya4Life its complicated, I'm thinking of something here
ELEPlaya4Life I'm thinking that the person could have possibly gotten mental care or some sort of serious help, killing yourself is never a necessary thing
Weak Faith272 yes but
Weak Faith272 what about hte ppl that feel as if
Weak Faith272 they have no otheroption?
Weak Faith272 ppl feel that way sometimes, u noe
Weak Faith272 so
Weak Faith272 hypothetically, this guy kills himself
Weak Faith272 for that reason
Weak Faith272 I can't even pciture
Weak Faith272 tHE MOST MERCIFUL
Weak Faith272 throw him into hellfire?
Weak Faith272 it doens make sense
Weak Faith272 especially with names lke
Weak Faith272 most merciful, most kind.
ELEPlaya4Life yeah, there is always other options though, they just feel that way, hence the word feel
Weak Faith272 yes but
Weak Faith272 according ot tem
Weak Faith272 its the only way out.
ELEPlaya4Life there is no situation where kiling yourself is the only way out of it, there might be but I'm just not thinking
Weak Faith272 no, i meant, some ppl feel that way.
Weak Faith272 hence, suicide.
ELEPlaya4Life they need help
ELEPlaya4Life hence we are back to the beginning
ELEPlaya4Life here is my idea
ELEPlaya4Life if they are in such a position emotionally
ELEPlaya4Life and nobody on the outside knows they need to alert their parents or friends or something and get help, if the friends and parents fail to help i believe they might face just as equal a punishment as well
ELEPlaya4Life the person should get into a mental instititution
ELEPlaya4Life or get therapy
Weak Faith272 someone who is suicidal is not mental.
ELEPlaya4Life then just therapy
Weak Faith272 what if nobody knows?
ELEPlaya4Life GRRRR
Weak Faith272 what will become of them/
ELEPlaya4Life thats why
Weak Faith272 for somebody who needed help
ELEPlaya4Life they should tell somebody
Weak Faith272 God will throw him in...HELLFIRE
Weak Faith272 omg
Weak Faith272 that SO
Weak Faith272 doesnt make ANY
Weak Faith272 n i mean
Weak Faith272 ANY
Weak Faith272 sense.
Weak Faith272 for something an ALLMERCIFUL
Weak Faith272 god
Weak Faith272 shoudl do
ELEPlaya4Life its not all merciful
Weak Faith272 wow it doesnt make ense.
ELEPlaya4Life its most merciful
Weak Faith272 whatever.
ELEPlaya4Life lol
ELEPlaya4Life anyways I'll have to study the subject
ELEPlaya4Life i havent really looked into it
Weak Faith272 whatever, there is no reasonabel explanation for that.
ELEPlaya4Life there might be, the person is an idiot if they kill themselves for emotional problems, they should seek help from God or if they are atheists or pagans then help from their parents and friends
Weak Faith272 seek help from God?
Weak Faith272 directly is not possible
ELEPlaya4Life no crap
Weak Faith272 so, why not say seek help from parents and friends
Weak Faith272 same shit
Weak Faith272 isnt it.
ELEPlaya4Life unless God is the parents and friends
ELEPlaya4Life lol
Weak Faith272 lol
ELEPlaya4Life seek help from God, you know what that means, stop playing dumb
Weak Faith272 lol whatever man.
Weak Faith272 and what if He doesn't help?
ELEPlaya4Life seek help from God=seek help in the Quran
Weak Faith272 how so
ELEPlaya4Life i cant really say, I dont know the emotional issues at hand, whatever they are, losing a job, a family member or friend dying, nobody likes them, whatever the Reading will bring their problems into perspective
ELEPlaya4Life no matter how bad your problems are
ELEPlaya4Life there will always be somebody with worst
Weak Faith272 u cant say that about somebody who has it TH WORST.
Weak Faith272 so, what about them?
Weak Faith272 aint nobody under dem
ELEPlaya4Life lol cant say, I wouldn't know anybody that has it the worst
ELEPlaya4Life nor do i know their problems
ELEPlaya4Life name a possible problem
ELEPlaya4Life that could cause somebody to commit suicide
ELEPlaya4Life or want to at least
Weak Faith272 depression.
Weak Faith272 whatifu just
Weak Faith272 have the episodic blooes
Weak Faith272 bloos*
ELEPlaya4Life lol
Weak Faith272 andu just feel liek shit
Weak Faith272 lol
Weak Faith272 n u wanna die so badly
Weak Faith272 to make everything go away.
Weak Faith272 n nothing makes sense.
ELEPlaya4Life killing yourself will not make them go away, hence disbelief in the Hereafter
ELEPlaya4Life they believe you just fade away after you die
Weak Faith272 hm.
Weak Faith272 what about the hereafter?
Weak Faith272 17-36
Weak Faith272 how wouldu confirm
Weak Faith272 resurrection
ELEPlaya4Life Hereafter, the Last Day are all metaphorical for the recompense/requita of our deeds
ELEPlaya4Life requital*
ELEPlaya4Life every deed (cause) has an effect
ELEPlaya4Life suicide as well
Weak Faith272 yes but
Weak Faith272 u said
Weak Faith272 every cause has an effect
Weak Faith272 why?
Weak Faith272 i mean
Weak Faith272 theonly reaon u noe that
Weak Faith272 is because you have been OBSERVING
ELEPlaya4Life thats the laws of the universe
Weak Faith272 the past laws
Weak Faith272 and they have been consistent.
ELEPlaya4Life belief in the unseen
ELEPlaya4Life
Weak Faith272 blind faith?
ELEPlaya4Life nope
ELEPlaya4Life but
Weak Faith272 then?
ELEPlaya4Life listen
ELEPlaya4Life just listen
ELEPlaya4Life belief in that which is outside the reach of our perception does not=blind faith
ELEPlaya4Life but from examining the past aws and seeing their consistency we gain faith in the fact that God's system is constant and that cause and effect is the natural way of the universe
ELEPlaya4Life laws*
Weak Faith272 wait
Weak Faith272 u have been observing them
ELEPlaya4Life seriously this is too much for one convo
Weak Faith272 and that they have been consistent
Weak Faith272 wait
Weak Faith272 but
ELEPlaya4Life suicide and Hereafter
Weak Faith272 that doesnt mean that THEY WERE ALWAYS CONSISTENT
Weak Faith272 and that
Weak Faith272 THEY WILL ALWAYS BE CONISTENT
Weak Faith272 i ean
Weak Faith272 mean*
Weak Faith272 the more u observe
Weak Faith272 ur right
Weak Faith272 the mor faith u get
Weak Faith272 that they will always bE CONSISTENT
Weak Faith272 but that doesnt mean they will always be concistent
Weak Faith272 conistent*
ELEPlaya4Life right
Weak Faith272 inductive reasoning
Weak Faith272 is faulty.
ELEPlaya4Life ok
Weak Faith272 http//wiccan-refuge.com/rationalscience.html
ELEPlaya4Life lol
ELEPlaya4Life you been studying wiccanism?
Weak Faith272 lol no
ELEPlaya4Life ok
Weak Faith272 i just like the way taht guy writes. the philosophy section is cool
ELEPlaya4Life anyways i dont proclaim to have all the answers but you sure ask some good questions
Weak Faith272 lol sry i make u go crazy sumtimes lol
Weak Faith272 im just like that. i drive myself crazy,t o
ELEPlaya4Life i just try to answer them the best i can, at the moment I haven't really studied the Hereafter or suicide very good
Weak Faith272 lol
Weak Faith272 man
Weak Faith272 i feel kiknda bad for
Weak Faith272 asking this question but
Weak Faith272 its kinda weird for m to think that
Weak Faith272 God was always there.
Weak Faith272 I mean
Weak Faith272 how can He just be there
ELEPlaya4Life i know whatcha mean
ELEPlaya4Life again
ELEPlaya4Life wel nah your just wierd
Weak Faith272 LOL
Weak Faith272 ugh
Weak Faith272 religion, no matter how systematic it is
Weak Faith272 is very perplexing
Weak Faith272 the reading claims to be clear and eas to understand
Weak Faith272 yet
Weak Faith272 we dont understand SO MANY THINGS
ELEPlaya4Life you always wonder what God did before He created things
Weak Faith272 why does our life have to revolve around a BOOK?
Weak Faith272 Isn't belief in God enough?
ELEPlaya4Life lol starting to sound like Christians
Weak Faith272 lol
Weak Faith272 ah
Weak Faith272 maybe im jus getting pissed
ELEPlaya4Life we dont have to believe in God or do good works
ELEPlaya4Life HAVE
ELEPlaya4Life but we do it
Weak Faith272 fine then
Weak Faith272 why does paradise have to require for us to have our life REVOLVE AROUND A BOOK
ELEPlaya4Life because from our examining will provide the best results
ELEPlaya4Life PARADISE=recompense of our deeds
ELEPlaya4Life cause and effect again
ELEPlaya4Life please these argument wear me out
ELEPlaya4Life i'm way to lazy for this
Weak Faith272 lol
Weak Faith272 yea but
Weak Faith272 o alright
Weak Faith272 lol
Weak Faith272 im sorry i worked ut oo hard
ELEPlaya4Life lol what did God do before he created stuff, did He play tidally winks all day (in the allegorical sense of His day) before He created us
ELEPlaya4Life seriously
ELEPlaya4Life the questions are annoying
ELEPlaya4Life i have no idea
Weak Faith272 TIDALLY WINKS WTF LOL
Weak Faith272 yes they are annoying
Weak Faith272 yet
Weak Faith272 they make you think
ELEPlaya4Life yeah
Weak Faith272 http//wiccan-refuge.com/philosophy.html
ELEPlaya4Life blah
Weak Faith272 he got some pretty nice stuff
ELEPlaya4Life philosophy is annoying
Weak Faith272 lol ur jut lazy
Weak Faith272 i noe what umean
ELEPlaya4Life they always try to look to deep into things like WHAT IF WE REALLY DONT EXIST AND WE ARE JUST SOMEBODY'S IMAGINATION
Weak Faith272 LOL
ELEPlaya4Life i'm like ok
ELEPlaya4Life philosophy survives on WHAT IF questions mostly
ELEPlaya4Life which bugs me
ELEPlaya4Life what if tomorrow the sun collides into the earth
ELEPlaya4Life I have absolute faith that the sun has provided the earth with heat and energy since the earth was created
ELEPlaya4Life is that blind?
Weak Faith272 kind oflother parts of the convo
ELEPlaya4Life marriage between man and women only, sex outside of marriage forbidden, homosexuality=forbidden
Weak Faith272 who says we have to have any type of sex
Weak Faith272 i dont get it
Weak Faith272 why is it forbidden?
ELEPlaya4Life ok then there is always the people of Lot
Weak Faith272 i ne
Weak Faith272 i noe.
Weak Faith272 bu
Weak Faith272 WHY
Weak Faith272 whats so wrong
Weak Faith272 about it
Weak Faith272 Geez.
ELEPlaya4Life again
ELEPlaya4Life i said
ELEPlaya4Life marriage between man and women
ELEPlaya4Life the only kind
Weak Faith272 why not women n women
ELEPlaya4Life sex is only for reproduction
Weak Faith272 and men and men
ELEPlaya4Life not for pleasure
Weak Faith272 why not?
Weak Faith272 for pleasure
ELEPlaya4Life because reproduction is its purpose
ELEPlaya4Life pleasure is just part of it
ELEPlaya4Life if sex was painful for the human species it wouldnt be a joyful thing to carry on the human race
ELEPlaya4Life but then there is sex not for reproduction in marriage according to the Reading....................
ELEPlaya4Life my response to hell and paradise not being able to verify them is that cause and effects are God's laws that have lasted since God knows when and paradise and hell (recompense and requital) are universal truths that conform with our daily life (hence the signs) and we verify their truth through simple analysis, this all goes back to faith in God and that His physical (gravity) and metaphysical (cause and effect) laws of the universe are unchanging
ELEPlaya4Life gravity and cause and effect are just examples
ELEPlaya4Life by the way ^^^