Asalaamu'Alaikom
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How is ?adultery? proven, before a stoning sentence is passed in the courtroom?
In states where stoning is codified in law (Iran and the Sudan,) adultery must be proven in court. According to many interpretations of Islamic Law (including the Iranian Penal Code), proving adultery is very difficult, and a guilty sentence is nearly impossible to obtain through hard evidence. Adultery punishable by stoning must be proven by the eye-witness testimony of either four just men (or three just men and two just women) or through four separate confessions by the defendant before a judge. But in fact, most stoning sentences are issued not on the basis of testimony or confession but on the judge?s ?knowledge? or ?intuition.? Article 105 of the Islamic Penal code of Iran allows a single judge to rule according to his personal opinion instead of hard evidence. As a result, most if not all adultery cases are unfairly tried.
How is stoning carried out?
The Islamic Penal Code of Iran is very specific regarding the details of how stoning should be executed. Article 102 states that men shall be buried up to their waists and women up to their breasts for the execution. Article 104 states, referring to the penalty for adultery, that the stones used should ?not be large enough to kill the person by one or two strikes; nor should they be so small that they could not be defined as stones (pebbles.)?. In some cases, if a victim can escape from the ditch during the stoning, they will be freed. However, because women are buried up to their breasts and men only at their waists, women will have a smaller chance of escaping than men.
What is the relationship between stoning and women?s rights?
Women are far more likely to become victims of stoning. For example, of the ten cases of individuals awaiting punishment by stoning in Iran, nine are women. Even though there is no article in law that mandates punishment by stoning exclusively for women, misogynist and discriminatory laws in the Iranian Penal Code, particularly Family Law, make women far more likely than men to be found guilty of ?adultery?.
In the Iranian Penal Code, a married woman has no right to divorce, a privilege which is reserved for the husband. Women have no custody rights of their children after age seven; as a result, women who can obtain a divorce by proving their husbands are either abusive or an addict, choose not to do so fearing the loss of their children. A man can marry up to four wives simultaneously, and may establish a sexual relationship with any other single woman through a temporary marriage without the requirements of marriage registration, ceremony, or obligation to any possible child that may result. In addition, a woman is legally obliged to submit to her husband?s sexual demands and do her best to satisfy him sexually. Many similar discriminatory laws and regulations exist in other countries and communities where stoning is still practiced.
Hence if a man is sexually unsatisfied or in an unhappy relationship, he has many avenues open to him to dissolve the marriage and/or satisfy his sexual needs in a temporary ?marriage?. However, these legal options are denied to women, and a woman seeking alternative intimate relationships is, in the eyes of the law, ?committing adultery?.
http//www.stop-stoning.org/faq_stoning
Somali woman stoned for adultery
20-year-old woman divorcee accused of committing adultery in Somalia has been stoned to death by Islamists in front of a crowd of about 200 people.
A judge working for the militant group al-Shabab said she had had an affair with an unmarried 29-year-old man.
He said she gave birth to a still-born baby and was found guilty of adultery. Her boyfriend was given 100 lashes.
It is thought to be the second time a woman has been stoned to death for adultery by al-Shabab.
The group controls large swathes of southern Somalia where they have imposed a strict interpretation of Islamic law which has been unpopular with many Somalis.
'Lenient'
According to reports from a small village near the town of Wajid, 250 miles (400km) north-west of the capital, Mogadishu, the woman was taken to the public grounds where she was buried up to her waist.
She was then stoned to death in front of the crowds on Tuesday afternoon.
The judge, Sheikh Ibrahim Abdirahman, said her unmarried boyfriend was given 100 lashes at the same venue.
Under al-Shabab's interpretation of Sharia law, anyone who has ever been married - even a divorcee - who has an affair is liable to be found guilty of adultery, punishable by stoning to death.
An unmarried person who has sex before marriage is liable to be given 100 lashes.
BBC East Africa correspondent Will Ross says the stoning is at least the fourth for adultery in Somalia over the last year.
Earlier this month, a man was stoned to death for adultery in the port town of Merka, south of Mogadishu.
His pregnant girlfriend was spared, until she gives birth.
A girl was stoned to death for adultery in the southern town of Kismayo last year. Human rights groups said she was 13 years old and had been raped, but the Islamists said she was older and had been married.
Last month, two men were stoned to death in Merka after being accused of spying.
President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, a moderate Islamist, was sworn in as president after UN-brokered peace talks in January.
Although he says he also wants to implement Sharia, al-Shabab says his version of Islamic law would be too lenient.
The country has not had a functioning national government for 18 years.
http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8366197.stm
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Stoning is still being practiced in Iran, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, UAE, Nigeria.
Yes, and it is the right thing for the "Al-Mohassan" . I hope my country do this thing too.
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Then why did you throw a fit and call me a liar for saying that it is still happening? wow
Because you're talking about stoning in general, so let me remind you that stoning have a lot of way to do it. Plus you're accusing all the muslim countries, and you have just showed 5 countries . Besides you're mixing up between stoning in Islam and stoning in other religions .So you're a liar by definition .
P.S You're the first one who called me a liar, so accept calling you a liar . As I see I've said this word with proofs , did you ?
one more thing , can you stop picking up what you like from my post. This will make a conflict between me and you and as I see it already done .
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Because you're talking about stoning in general, so let me remind you that stoning have a lot of way to do it. Plus you're accusing all the muslim countries, and you have just showed 5 countries . Besides you're mixing up between stoning in Islam and stoning in other religions .So you're a liar by definition .
Excuse me?!? Where are you getting all this from? Please refrain from putting words into my mouth. This is really tiresome. nope
May I remind you of what was being said?
You claimed We don't stone anyone
My reply was Liar. People get stoned to death all the time, and not only in countries with a Shia majority.
Nothing about accusing all Muslim countries or mixing up Islam and other religions. I was simply pointing out that your statements about Sunnis never stoning anyone was wrong, as you have also admitted in a later post.
P.S You're the first one who called me a liar, so accept calling you a liar .
Can we communicate like grownups and skip the silly "you said this, so I can insult you" stuff. We're not in preschool here.
http//www.imagebanana.com/img/6mch14m6/clubs.gifLet me break it down for you in very simple terms. I did not call you a liar in order to insult you, but because you made a statement that was clearly not true (Sunnis never stone people to death). I am not sure if you just didn't know better, or if you deliberately stated something untrue. But it doesn't really matter. We should make sure the information we give is correct, particularly when talking about such a serious matter as stoning.
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Excuse me?!? Where are you getting all this from? Please refrain from putting words into my mouth. This is really tiresome. nope
May I remind you of what was being said?
You claimed We don't stone anyone
Yes, we don't in my country and in other muslim countries, we don't .
My reply was Liar. People get stoned to death all the time, and not only in countries with a Shia majority.
so why you said that I'm a liar ? did I lie ? when I said we don't stone people
Nothing about accusing all Muslim countries or mixing up Islam and other religions. I was simply pointing out that your statements about Sunnis never stoning anyone was wrong, as you have also admitted in a later post.
So say it is wrong and show me where I am wrong /not calling me a liar, any insult to me know that I will not forgive it and I'll be your worst nightmares.
Can we communicate like grownups and skip the silly "you said this, so I can insult you" stuff. We're not in preschool here.
http//www.imagebanana.com/img/6mch14m6/clubs.gifYeah, the wrong one is me now not you .
Let me break it down for you in very simple terms. I did not call you a liar in order to insult you, but because you made a statement that was clearly not true (Sunnis never stone people to death). I am not sure if you just didn't know better, or if you deliberately stated something untrue. But it doesn't really matter. We should make sure the information we give is correct, particularly when talking about such a serious matter as stoning.
A liar is an insult, don't try to make excuses .
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agreed, and a liar yes
The only idiot and liar is you and a lame old woman .
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Yes, we don't in my country and in other muslim countries, we don't .
so why you said that I'm a liar ? did I lie ? when I said we don't stone people
Your first reply on this issue was in reference to the picture of the woman being stoned.
You said These are Shi'a not Sunnah . We don't stone anyone
You did NOT say "We don't stone people in my country", but you were saying that Sunni Muslims don't.
And Sunni Muslims DO stone people in some countries, which was my point. So do Shias, despite the fact that you claimed in a later post that Even the shi'a don't stone poeple today .
Both of those statements are wrong, i.e. lies. People get stoned to death in some Sunni and some Shia countries.
And now excuse me, I really don't have the time to endlessly squabble about statements that were very clear to begin with.
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Your first reply on this issue was in reference to the picture of the woman being stoned.
You said These are Shi'a not Sunnah . We don't stone anyone
Yes, and I was right .
You did NOT say "We don't stone people in my country", but you were saying that Sunni Muslims don't.
Yes, and I was right here too, because stoning is according to the crime which are more than two and the first thing after stoning is the advice .
And Sunni Muslims DO stone people in some countries, which was my point. So do Shias, despite the fact that you claimed in a later post that Even the shi'a don't stone poeple today .
Yes, and I was right. Some shii'a now don't stone and sunni don't stone people after an advice but if the person made them sem sin that stoning is the right thing .
Both of those statements are wrong, i.e. lies. People get stoned to death in some Sunni and some Shia countries.
did It look wrong ? you want from them to be wrong but they are not, so you're the liar .And the punishment of stoning is after all is with witness and as I said before the advice .
And now excuse me, I really don't have the time to endlessly squabble about statements that were very clear to begin with.
nopeYeah, this is alway your way of saying nothing .
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These are Shi'a not Sunnah . We don't stone anyone
never never never never never never 100000000000....0000..0000.......0 times sunnah stoned anyone.
Even the shi'a don't stone poeple today .
The only persons that stone people are the worshippers of Satan and the persons that are still in the religion of Majouseya and they are living in Iraq and Iran.
stoning is according to the crime which are more than two and the first thing after stoning is the advice .
Some shii'a now don't stone and sunni don't stone people after an advice but if the person made them sem sin that stoning is the right thing .
And the punishment of stoning is after all is with witness and as I said before the advice .
You are contradicting yourself. First you said nobody stones people to death anymore, now you start talking about advice, sin, and witnesses and saying that "stoning is the right thing".
Look, it is very, very simple. The issue was whether people still get stoned to death in this day and age. Fact is, yes it happens. Anyone who says it does not, is lying.
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You are contradicting yourself. First you said nobody stones people to death anymore, now you start talking about advice, sin, and witnesses and saying that "stoning is the right thing".
Look, it is very, very simple. The issue was whether people still get stoned to death in this day and age. Fact is, yes it happens. Anyone who says it does not, is lying.
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Well Sister, he doesn't lie when he says the only people who stone are the worshippers of Satan