How do you deal with Sunni friends?
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lol@ satan's bride S ok...
i'll tell you what i'd do, i'll tell them "don't you know the hadith about the prostitute? she fed a hungry dog some water and through that small act of kindness she got paradise. if someone in that status can have the mercy of God surely all of us can" and in case it's not clear none of us are perfect.
or just say
"i don't agree with that hadith, why can men do their eyebrows? even women get attracted to men."
"you know not everything in hadith is sahih"
"i follow a madhab that allows women to do that"
"i have difference of opinion but thanks for your concern"
"who teaches you, you seem to know a lot but i don't think i agree with you"
"maybe you're right"
depends how far you want to take it..
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Salaam,
I agreed with Sister Sarah. Maybe you can add,
"Umm really? Show me where in the Qur'an where it says that? I must have missed that."
If she mentions some hadiths, ask her the hadiths numbering (if she actually knows) and who 'authorise' the sahih-ness of the hadiths she cites. If she can answer that far, you can refute her by using Qur'anic verses and stresses that Qur'an is authorised by GOD whereas hadiths are by MEN. End of story. Easy.
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Salaam,
I agreed with Sister Sarah. Maybe you can add,
"Umm really? Show me where in the Qur'an where it says that? I must have missed that."
If she mentions some hadiths, ask her the hadiths numbering (if she actually knows) and who 'authorise' the sahih-ness of the hadiths she cites. If she can answer that far, you can refute her by using Qur'anic verses and stresses that Qur'an is authorised by GOD whereas hadiths are by MEN. End of story. Easy.
Aha, Really, I prefer the answer of Sarah but yours definitely will make a war between him and her .
P.S the question is for you and Sarah as well, Do you know the difference between Hadith Sahih and Hadith wich is Isnaad Sahih ? The answer Yes or No
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Abu Hurairah's 3rd Law of Ahadeeth For every hadeeth, there is an equal and opposite ahadeeth.
Go find it and cite it to them!
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Peace,
My friends are not aware that I'm not a Sunni any more and if it wasn't for my seriously biting my tongue, by now we'de have had several arguments. I was with a friend who converted a while back and she looked at me and asked if I'd changed my eyebrows, (now, even when I was Sunni I followed the opinion that it was re-shaping the brow that was wrong and not the removal of random hairs that weren't necessarily a part of the brow) and I replied Yes to her. So she looked at me with a funny look and said, 'You know that's wrong, now Allah's curse is upon you' and I was so baffled and in fact quite angry about this whole episode that I just didn't say anything I didn't even discuss the alternate opinion. I think I just mumbled something but with a look so stern on my face that she didn't retort. I didn't only find it extremely unnecessary seeing as we were in a public place, it was also condescending and plain rude. Several times during the day she'd made unnecessary comments of the like such as mentioning the length of my jumper and that my arms were showing? I was already quite aware of that.
How do you deal with such situations when you're still 'in the closet' so to speak, about your beliefs?
I've had several situations like this. I told a friend that I was thinking of taking off the Hijab and her response was that I will be Satan's bride on the day of judgement. giveup
laugh She's funny perhaps keep her as a friend. There is an example for most every question and situation; ask status of daughter of Pharaoh, what she wore/used for makeup and her example...
6611 And God has set forth an example for those who believe the woman/daughter of Pharaoh, when she said "My Lord! Build for me a home with You in Paradise, and save me from Pharaoh and his work, and save me from the people who are wrong-doers.
http//www.womeninthebible.net/images/Young_women_at_a_banquet_Tomb_of_Nakht_mid-15th_century_BC.jpg
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Abu Hurairah's 3rd Law of Ahadeeth For every hadeeth, there is an equal and opposite ahadeeth.
Go find it and cite it to them!
I have found that too!
I always ask' where is that in Quran' then if the reply is 'its in hadith' I reply' I follow Gods words not mans'
you will find that traditional Muslims can be very cruel in picking out what 'you' may be doing wrong in their eyes but never look at what they do as wrong according to Allah and Quran. It will become amusing eventually
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Aha, Really, I prefer the answer of Sarah but yours definitely will make a war between him and her .
P.S the question is for you and Sarah as well, Do you know the difference between Hadith Sahih and Hadith wich is Isnaad Sahih ? The answer Yes or No
Well, I guess you never experience being told in your face that you'll be going to hell for doing something you believe in. For her, she doesn't even ask her friend's opinions (and I believe she has been very peaceful), and she gets confronted like that. For me, I'd rather STAND UP for what I believe in, thank you.
I thought I have answered your question previously. But obviously you 'somehow' missed that. YES, I know the difference between the two.
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I thought I have answered your question previously. But obviously you 'somehow' missed that. YES, I know the difference between the two.
If you really know the difference between the two, you'll know that the first is an obligation, so any rejecting of it, is as rejecting the Islam . Go figure.
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If you really know the difference between the two, you'll know that the first is an obligation, so any rejecting of it, is as rejecting the Islam . Go figure.
I'll posit that rejecting "Islam" the proper noun with all its attachments, connotations and presuppositions is a very different thing to rejecting the path of our creator.
Birds, planets, flies, ants, none of these rely on ahadeeth. They all follow a rule of inherent certainty whereby there is no doubt whatsoever as to the path that they will take through time and space. Why should we, as humans with free will, settle for any less? A gnat is more in tune with allah's way than any supposed "Muslim" for it does not follow any conjecture, it takes the truth from its eternal creator and uses it.
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If you really know the difference between the two, you'll know that the first is an obligation, so any rejecting of it, is as rejecting the Islam . Go figure.
And if you really know the Qur'an, then you'll know that you are forbidden from taking any other patron besides God. Go figure.
As a side note, I am done with you. I know what you are like and your attitude. Let's just say we have our differences. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. I just don't get why you're wasting your time here, when you think we're "blind", "lacking knowledge" etc. I don't know why you choose to continue stalking this forum when you know your efforts are vain anyway. Don't you have better things to do anyway?
Make peace. Unto you your works, unto me my works. Salaamun 'Alaikum.
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And if you really know the Qur'an, then you'll know that you are forbidden from taking any other patron besides God. Go figure.
As a side note, I am done with you. I know what you are like and your attitude. Let's just say we have our differences. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. I just don't get why you're wasting your time here, when you think we're "blind", "lacking knowledge" etc. I don't know why you choose to continue stalking this forum when you know your efforts are vain anyway. Don't you have better things to do anyway?
Make peace. Unto you your works, unto me my works. Salaamun 'Alaikum.
This particular troll has been on FM for many years.
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And if you really know the Qur'an, then you'll know that you are forbidden from taking any other patron besides God. Go figure.
we don't take any patron besides God, is that what they told you ?
As a side note, I am done with you. I know what you are like and your attitude.
No, you're not done with me, I'm done with you . Plus you don't know I am like and my attitude . are you a seer or the known or the unknown ?
Let's just say we have our differences. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. I just don't get why you're wasting your time here, when you think we're "blind", "lacking knowledge" etc. I don't know why you choose to continue stalking this forum when you know your efforts are vain anyway.
Your answer is in Quran of why I am here { { } }
Don't you have better things to do anyway?
Humm, No at the moment . Do you?
Make peace. Unto you your works, unto me my works. Salaamun 'Alaikum.
Wa Alaykom Asalam .
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we don't take any patron besides God, is that what they told you ?
You and any other hadithist. It is what you DO not what we are TOLD.Plus you don't know I am like and my attitude . are you a seer or the known or the unknown ?
We see what you are like and your attitude HERE.Your answer is in Quran of why I am here { { } }
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Peace, I doubt thereformer1 will bring anyone back to being a sunni or shia muslim here or revert any muslims to sunni islam who reverted to Qur'an only islam. I think he just likes to debate, weather or not most of us, so it seems, thinks he's wasting his time. It'd be less entertaining without him here & whatever anyone thinks of him he is our akhi.
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Peace, I doubt thereformer1 will bring anyone back to being a sunni or shia muslim here or revert any muslims to sunni islam who reverted to Qur'an only islam. I think he just likes to debate, weather or not most of us, so it seems, thinks he's wasting his time. It'd be less entertaining without him here & whatever anyone thinks of him he is our akhi.
groupI agree he is entertaining and to be honest he, and others, help my study enormously! I am 300% SURE I am on the right path now with Quran only, if I was ever unsure before. Thank you reformer, you have done the opposite of what you intended I think bravo
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I agree he is entertaining and to be honest he, and others, help my study enormously! I am 300% SURE I am on the right path now with Quran only, if I was ever unsure before. Thank you reformer, you have done the opposite of what you intended I think bravo
Imagine you are in a field full of cowpats. By stepping in a way to avoid one, you might step on another! Just find the clean path and follow that )
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I agree he is entertaining and to be honest he, and others, help my study enormously! I am 300% SURE I am on the right path now with Quran only, if I was ever unsure before. Thank you reformer, you have done the opposite of what you intended I think bravo
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