How do you deal with Sunni friends?
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When we talk about hadith, we don't talk about perfect or imperfect, we talk about ligeslations and rules . that's what you will not understand your whole life.
No, it is because you don't really understand that perfect hadith .
You have just contradicted yourself there and not answered the question AGAIN
If the hadith of Allah is perfect, as YOU said, and we all agree here, then why do you follow hadith that are NOT perfect by default, because they are NOT from Allah? The legislation and rules from Allah are in Quran, if they are in other books they are not from Allah are they? ;D
So you follow a set of rules and legislation that is nothing to do with Allah or His Book. A set of rules that cannot make up its mind about how many times to do wudu, 1, 2 or 3, because the prophet did ALL of those.
Its ok to follow another set of rules and legislation, but it is NOT ok to say its from Allah or part of Islam, because if it WAS from Allah and part of Islam then it would be IN the Book from Allah along with the other rules and legislation, right?
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thereformer1
How about you tell us all the criteria seeming you have the pool of knowledge?Yes, I know the criteria of Hadith and how it works, but I have to know your criteria of understanding Quran or rejecting in hadith sahih ? the debate will began this way .
The scholars research each link (person) in the chain and learn about their background. If the person was known as a liar cheat or stealer their testimony wasn?t accepted.
So they find a quotation from a reliable source who heard it on the authority of another reliable source who heard it from a sahaba who swore he heard it from the prophet.
One hadith can have multiple chains of narration, and more than one author has quoted the same words of a hadith, using different witnesses and narrators.
A sahih hadiths is one with no weakness or apparent fault. both the chain of transmission and the text are supposed to be sound. nor is it supposed to contradict any established belief in islam i.e. laws of Quran. for it to be sahih it needs- A continuous chain of transmitters no missing person no missing link.
- They all have to be ?adleen righteous and have good memory
- It shouldn?t be an isolated hadiths
- Nor have any defect
If we go by muslims method he recorded hadiths as sahih that at least two reliable successors that had heard from two companions.
These are the basics, have you ever study hadith to reject it or to speak about their validity ?
I?m asking you in everyday language do you know the classification of a matn and how it is sahih, or does it look like a foreign unknown language to you? Language is about conveying meaning I conveyed the meaning intentionally as I did. if you were wise enough you would realise what I was rendering.
No, I would not because you have talked from a point where you don't know the difference between hadith, and I think you forgot before where I correct your fault about the hadith nabawi and charif and I said that they are the same, but as I see from your question, you are still having the same confusion, reading and taking knowldege from internet is after taking knowledge from school and study the subject .
so now that you've had your ego release of what i should have said can you distinguish when the content is authentic? If yes how?
I didn't understand your question, you said when the content ...? if yes how ? . how I can answer by yes when your question is when ? and what contnt are you talking about ? the content of hadith ? if yes specify any hadith (sahih, hassan, dae'f) with example .
apparently ghareeb is a hadiths transmitted by one narrator
No, the hadith ghareeb is what came strange in his story. like the incident was in chicago but newspaper said in florida .
Yes other books other than The Quran are not the word of God I accept. At least I don?t make other books laws of God. that?s the difference between me and you.
First of all you admit that your question is irrelevent .
Second of all Yes you do accept laws from other book like me, the laws of roads, the laws of integration of a school, the procedures to get a paper, and there are lots of other laws you follow and they are not God's words. So for the second time this sentence is also irrelevent .If someone claims a hadiths is true and we must abide it, we have every right to question everything, if they don?t know they shouldn?t preach because it just shows their blind following. What if a scholar made error or do you think scholars are infallible?
Yes, a scholar can make a mistake but there are others who pay attention to this mistake and they will answer why he said that and explain the issue.
You?re right I don?t know everything about hadiths but I know enough to recognise the weakness of it. considering you imply you have so much knowledge maybe you should rid us (or myself) with the ?doubt? that hadith is actually authentic in an appropriate thread rather than being disparaging here and going off topic.
First of all thank you for admiting that you talk without knowledge lol .
Second of all I've been interupted for writing ahadith saying that this website is for Quran alone .
Third of all you must study " " then I can make a topic about hadith, because you'll interupt me again without knowledge. However I try to make a topic but I must be supported by writing a topic about the authencity of hadith .I didn?t say I am Quranic, how are you challenging me? what's the challenge exactly?
Ok, so sorry if I accused you, the challenge is with Quran a verse from my choice or your choice and let's see how you are going to interpret it and what's the criteria to interpret a verse .
About Albani I was paraphrasing but you can read about him he didn?t say all of the sahih are sahih, he differed in opinion of the sahih hadiths. Which means he does not believe all sahih hadiths are ?SAHIH?
Albani said nothing about hadith, he has been asked by people in 40 matters and he challenged them that these matters will be sorted from hadith, so he won the challenge because he gave them 40 hadiths Sahih about 40 matters that have been asked . Go figure !
It doesn?t matter if Muslim was a student of Bukhari, their methodology was different and their outcome of sahih hadiths was different (even some the same) do you not see that if they have different opinions of sahih hadiths then how can you be sure to accept what is sahih?
I've gave you the word in arabic, and I've said that Muslim and Bukhari have the same ahadith and the difference is in some narrators, that's all of it, and muslims brought a new way of classification but after all it is the same as Bukhari's way . And you should look for the meaning of the word in english that I gave you in Arabic .
I?m not accusing anyone, I?m opening questions for thought.
So, I think you should read this verse is about talking without knoweldge .
- "And among men is he who disputes about All?h, without knowledge or guidance, or a Book giving light (from All?h),"
P.S if there is anything rude in my post, I appologize . peace
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You have just contradicted yourself there and not answered the question AGAIN
No, I did answer (I said when we use hadith we don't talk about perfect or imperfect) . is that too hard to understand .
If the hadith of Allah is perfect, as YOU said, and we all agree here, then why do you follow hadith that are NOT perfect by default, because they are NOT from Allah?
They are from Allah "" but not "" .
The legislation and rules from Allah are in Quran, if they are in other books they are not from Allah are they? ;D
see above . The ligeslations in hadith are within Quran . the term used here called ""
So you follow a set of rules and legislation that is nothing to do with Allah or His Book. A set of rules that cannot make up its mind about how many times to do wudu, 1, 2 or 3, because the prophet did ALL of those.
I've have explaine to a member here that the hadith is talking about sequences , he washes his hand one, then two, then three . so the last result is three , so my mind already made up the choice .
ok you said that the ligeslation is notthing to do with allah, what about goes to school at 6 years for example ? what code roads ? and what about the procedures of taking a legal paper ? are they exsiting in Quran ?
Its ok to follow another set of rules and legislation, but it is NOT ok to say its from Allah or part of Islam, because if it WAS from Allah and part of Islam then it would be IN the Book from Allah along with the other rules and legislation, right?
see above, the ligeslations in hadith are typically from Quran "" but not "" or "" from God.
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Yes, I know the criteria of Hadith and how it works, but I have to know your criteria of understanding Quran or rejecting in hadith sahih ? the debate will began this way .
cant you just answer a simple question for once? You claim to have knowledge, she is asking you to tell us. It has nothing to do with us rejecting sahih hadith and everything to do with you proving what you claim you know. teach us WHY you follow hadith.These are the basics, have you ever study hadith to reject it or to speak about their validity ?
Do you honestly think for one second that any Muslim who rejects hadith has NOT studied them back to front and inside out? Look properly at her question, of course she has studied and at this point seems to know a lot more than you do as she has detailed her question very well and you still cannot answer. Her knowledge is outweighing yours by mountains right now.No, I would not because you have talked from a point where you don't know the difference between hadith, and I think you forgot before where I correct your fault about the hadith nabawi and charif and I said that they are the same, but as I see from your question, you are still having the same confusion, reading and taking knowldege from internet is after taking knowledge from school and study the subject .
so answer the question " do you know the classification of a matn and how it is sahih, and if there is something wrong with her question then please point it out or if you dont understand or dont KNOW then say so without skirting around the subject making claims of past conversations. JUST ANSWER IT or shut up
I didn't understand your question, you said when the content ...? if yes how ? . how I can answer by yes when your question is when ? and what contnt are you talking about ? the content of hadith ? if yes specify any hadith (sahih, hassan, dae'f) with example .
She said "can you distinguish when the content is authentic? If yes how?" That is a very celar question and you dont understand it?- can you understand when the content is authentic? (you would answer yes or no)
- If your answer is 'yes' then explain HOW you can distinguish if it is authentic?
It doesnt matter which hadith if you understand the question.
SIMPLE
No, the hadith ghareeb is what came strange in his story. like the incident was in chicago but newspaper said in florida .
??? so that would be the same as only one narrator in this context, right?First of all you admit that your question is irrelevent .
Second of all Yes you do accept laws from other book like me, the laws of roads, the laws of integration of a school, the procedures to get a paper, and there are lots of other laws you follow and they are not God's words. So for the second time this sentence is also irrelevent ."Yes other books other than The Quran are not the word of God I accept. At least I don?t make other books laws of God. that?s the difference between me and you. " this is what you replied to, you obviously didnt READ it before you replied.
This is not a question and it is not irrelevant at all, your blind eyes just refuse to see that. Yes we all follow other laws but we do not claim they are from God as you do with hadith. you claim hadith is part of religion, its NOT.I will leave the rest, I know its a waste of time
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No, I did answer (I said when we use hadith we don't talk about perfect or imperfect) . is that too hard to understand .
No its not hard to understand but you still avoided the question which was"so why do you use imperfact hadith from men when you have the best and most perfect hadith of God?
Is it because you dont really understand that perfect hadith?"YOU said Quran was the perfect hadith so I am asking WHY do you use another hadith other than Gods Hadith? Answer the question as this is the 3rd time of asking.
They are from Allah "" but not "" .
So hadith Bukhari, Muslim etc are from Allah?
Did he forget to put them in Quran after waiting 23 years with it written long before He revealed it because he was waiting for events to happen to match Quran?
Is hadith an 'Appendix' to Quran that Allah FORGOT?
Hope you like it HOTsee above . The ligeslations in hadith are within Quran . the term used here called ""
If they are IN Quran then why do you need hadith?
I've have explaine to a member here that the hadith is talking about sequences , he washes his hand one, then two, then three . so the last result is three , so my mind already made up the choice .
WRONG! These are 3 different hadith by 3 different people on 3 different occassions.What about ghusl after sex and before sleeping? I can find some that say he did ghusl and some that say the prophet slept with only wudu after sex. so Which is RIGHT? Are ANY right? Are you going to tell me now that means ghusl THEN wudu or wudu then ghusl? You have NO ANSWERS that are LOGICAL or in line with what is in Quran OR HADITH!
ok you said that the ligeslation is notthing to do with allah, what about goes to school at 6 years for example ? what code roads ? and what about the procedures of taking a legal paper ? are they exsiting in Quran ?
are they part of Islam? Is the Highway Code in Quran? I said the hadith legislation is nothing to do with Allah, it was not sent in Quran. You said above that all these legislations YOU follow are in Quran!see above, the ligeslations in hadith are typically from Quran "" but not "" or "" from God.
You contradicted yourself again!! See above where YOU said they are from Allah! you said they ARE in Quran. Now you are saying they are from Quran but NOT from God??? Who authored Quran then if it wasnt GOD you MORON
You have PROVED over and over again on every single thread that you have NO KNOWLEDGE of Quran, NO KNOWLEDGE of Allah, NO KNOWLEDGE of Hadith even though you claim to follow all of these! You are PLAINLY an enemy of Allah and an enemy of Islam and may Allah curse your rotten soul for eternity
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Sorry but this moron is a total idiot and as is clear to everyone here, and that includes any other hadithist here, he has no knowledge, runs round in circles, cannot answer a simple question or back up ANYTHING he claims and is only here to cause discord and turn from the path of Allah The Almighty. Sorry I lost it but one can only bang ones head against a brick wall for so long without shouting in pain brickwallbe back when I have calmed down peace
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I will leave the rest, I know its a waste of time
PLease let me speak with her .
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Dear Ayisha
Allah SWT says
3134 who spend in time of plenty and in time of hardship, and hold in check their anger, and pardon their fellow-men because God loves the doers of good;
7200 And if it should happen that a prompting from Satan stirs thee up , seek refuge with God behold, He is all-hearing, all-knowing.
4136 Hence, if it should happen that a prompting from Satan stirs thee up , seek refuge with God behold, He alone is all-hearing, all-knowing!
4237 and who shun the more heinous sins and abominations; and who, whenever they are moved to anger, readily forgive;
And Confucious says
If I am walking with two other men, each of them will serve as my teacher. I will pick out the good points of the one and imitate them, and the bad points of the other and correct them in myself.
and
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
And the scousers from Harry Enfields sitcom says
'calm down, calm down'
;D
Peace
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Peace All,
Ayisha
thereformer has a way of being evasive.
Wishful thinking. In reality, lots of scholars spread utter nonsense.
Leyna not wishful at all, look at the the "scholars" or "shiyoukh" who gloss over and sugar coat faults of others, they try "explain" and "justify" previous scholars outcomes but at the end of the day it doesn't make what they said right. they just twist into obstacles side track the argument and come with conclusions.
thereformer1
Yes, I know the criteria of Hadith and how it works, but I have to know your criteria of understanding Quran or rejecting in hadith sahih ? the debate will began this way .
Why if I tell you, you could just use it and claim it?s your own technique.
These are the basics, have you ever study hadith to reject it or to speak about their validity ?
Everything starts at the basics. start a new thread on analysis of hadiths if you like
I didn't understand your question, you said when the content ...? if yes how ? . how I can answer by yes when your question is when ? and what contnt are you talking about ? the content of hadith ? if yes specify any hadith (sahih, hassan, dae'f) with example .
It was pretty clear let me clarify, do you know when the content of ANY hadiths is true or not, whether it is classified as sahih, hasan dae?f or whatever?
No, the hadith ghareeb is what came strange in his story. like the incident was in chicago but newspaper said in florida .
Ghareeb means strange, though in hadiths terms it refers to a hadiths with one narrator, go look it up. You should know considering you're claiming to know about hadith
First of all you admit that your question is irrelevent .
Second of all Yes you do accept laws from other book like me, the laws of roads, the laws of integration of a school, the procedures to get a paper, and there are lots of other laws you follow and they are not God's words. So for the second time this sentence is also irrelevent .Foolish answer. No, the question is relevant it?s supposed to show thoughts and perceptions. I take the law of the Quran to be divine law, above any law; above laws of schools, roads etc. any law that contradicts THE LAW the Quranic law becomes futile that?s my point and that?s the difference of law taking between us. Get it now?
Yes, a scholar can make a mistake but there are others who pay attention to this mistake and they will answer why he said that and explain the issue.
I know, it's my right to accept or reject ) thanks for recognising scholars are not perfect.
First of all thank you for admiting that you talk without knowledge lol .
Second of all I've been interupted for writing ahadith saying that this website is for Quran alone .
Third of all you must study " " then I can make a topic about hadith, because you'll interupt me again without knowledge. However I try to make a topic but I must be supported by writing a topic about the authencity of hadith .Just because I admit I don?t know it all, doesn?t mean I have no knowledge. And with you, you talk about knowing so much. as far as I know concealing knowledge is a grave sin 2159. so actually laughing it off wouldn't be wise, enough arguing about me or my knowledge personal attacks aren't needed, prove truth you're not proving anything asking questions and being evasive doesn't help in your favour.
Ok, so sorry if I accused you, the challenge is with Quran a verse from my choice or your choice and let's see how you are going to interpret it and what's the criteria to interpret a verse .
You want to analyse the Quran/verse? Start a thread.
Albani said nothing about hadith, he has been asked by people in 40 matters and he challenged them that these matters will be sorted from hadith, so he won the challenge because he gave them 40 hadiths Sahih about 40 matters that have been asked . Go figure !
You?re on a total different wavelength, I don?t need to figure.
I've gave you the word in arabic, and I've said that Muslim and Bukhari have the same ahadith and the difference is in some narrators, that's all of it, and muslims brought a new way of classification but after all it is the same as Bukhari's way . And you should look for the meaning of the word in english that I gave you in Arabic .
Even if they all have the exact same hadiths with different narrators hadiths ended with different outcomes.
So, I think you should read this verse is about talking without knoweldge .
- "And among men is he who disputes about All?h, without knowledge or guidance, or a Book giving light (from All?h),"
P.S if there is anything rude in my post, I appologize . peace
Thanks for the verse, Alhamdulillah I?m not disputing about God. nor am I glorifying my or anyone?s knowledge. Proving a ?sahih? hadith that has nonsense content is disputing with God's law..
so i think you should share this knowledge of truth you have rather than concealing it.