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    liquiddharma
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    I am baffled about how junk food comes into this! Likewise, I don't think the term "the male condition" is specific enough to understand - you mean our desire for sex?

    I agree about the problem of weddings being too expensive and films glamorising casual sex. However, when it comes to love and romance, these are important otherwise educated women able to earn a living independently won't want to get married at all.

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      FAR
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      You have some valid points. so with this reasoning do you think society has a role to play in educating people?

      you put emphasis on lack of quranic education.. don't you think it's people's obligation to obtain that education if they believe in that system?

      Everyone is part of society, everyone has a responsibility once they're part of that society. The society is as they make it.

      As for people's obligation for education... it's our duty as those who focus on teaching the quran, and remind people what it says, the meanings, the opinions (including ours). Allah has given us the strength to concentrate on the quran and think "oh maybe we should focus on it for a bit"... quran 3104. Other people of course have their strengths given to them by the god and they shall of course not be stingy as according to quran 4738, and neither shall we, otherwise the god will replace you and I and us with another people. And I don't want to be replaced by those atheists or christians or quran haters.

      I am baffled about how junk food comes into this! Likewise, I don't think the term "the male condition" is specific enough to understand - you mean our desire for sex?

      I agree about the problem of weddings being too expensive and films glamorising casual sex. However, when it comes to love and romance, these are important otherwise educated women able to earn a living independently won't want to get married at all.

      Junk food comes into it ... well we'd have to look at junk food being kiddy forms of alcohol and intoxication. Note post 50s children growing to love adult drugs, sex and rock and roll. Never did a population experience such mass production of junk did they advance to the drugs they did and the sex that satisfied the desires that coke and what not couldn't.

      http//www.youtube.com/user/faro0485#p/f/18/pkht3noIK0E -- Woman explains how junk food re-introduced to the family pushed the family apart a bit.

      Are you trying to crack a joke with that love and romance education from TV??? From falsehood fiction??? Don't you know how many times in the quran allah condemns falsehood?

      Educated women should have been well educated before they became women, and when they become women, they can learn from their peers who would get them married to an older experienced man. And the same for young men.

      If those kids in mosques learning quran knew a thing about what they were learning, as they were learning... they'd all be well educated by the time they became 13. And they'd be masters of quran by the time they became 16. If they want to learn about romance... they can study romance and love techniques from many true sources. Not that which is fiction.

      It's bad enough people don't like hadith here... that some would suggest we should look at obviously well known false hadith (fiction media/films/books).

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        Leyna
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        Educated women should have been well educated before they became women, and when they become women, they can learn from their peers who would get them married to an older experienced man.

        Stop telling women what they should and shouldn't do in your opinion.

        I'm a well-educated, independent woman, I don't need my peers to get me married to an "older, experienced man", thankyouverymuch. http//img337.imageshack.us/img337/3135/iconconfused.gif

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          SarahY
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          Stop telling women what they should and shouldn't do in your opinion.

          I'm a well-educated, independent woman, I don't my peers to find me an "older, experienced man" to marry, thankyouverymuch. http//img337.imageshack.us/img337/3135/iconconfused.gif

          Right on sister!

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            FAR
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            Stop telling women what they should and shouldn't do in your opinion.

            I'm a well-educated, independent woman, I don't need my peers to get me married to an "older, experienced man", thankyouverymuch. http//img337.imageshack.us/img337/3135/iconconfused.gif

            If you're educated, why on earth are you copying and pasting news reports??? If you're an independent woman, then of course... why do we need to bother you in regards to muslimah, women who submit to the god, and are not indepedent of the god.

            You sound experienced enough, they'd demand that you get married to the inexperienced... unless... if you didn' have any children. Why should you learn from the inexperienced? I wouldn't want to learn from you without experience.

            And for your matter, if you wanna tell me what to say... then I should be allowed to tell women anything I like. If they don't want to heed... then they can sure read quran 801

            Right on sister!

            Why you little!!! elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro

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              SarahY
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              Why you little!!! elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro

              Why, are you offended?

              "older and experienced" doesn't equate to better that's just an assumption or your opinion of what women should do.

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                FAR
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                Why, are you offended?

                "older and experienced" doesn't equate to better that's just an assumption or your opinion of what women should do.

                Offended because she might not be your sister... then again, maybe she is? Hmm I didn't think of it like that.

                So you don't believe in experience? What equates to better in your opinion? Someone who is the same? Your personal likes? Someone who would tell you "go to the doctors... get sewn up again, no one will know... no I shall dump you".

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                  SarahY
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                  Experience isn?t everything, everyone is an individual. People experience things doesn?t mean they actively realise their doings and learn from them.

                  I don?t believe people should lie. so no I don?t think they should get surgical operations, that?s deception and also misleading. Not all women bleed, will men start calling chaste women who don?t bleed unchaste? All because of an ideology?

                  Deception is not better. Honesty is best in all circumstances even if consequences are bad.

                  Experience might have its advantages even lack of experiences could have its advantages. It?s not about better or worse. being and adhering to appropriate justice is what is better.

                  Older and experiences doesn?t automatically give you a certificate of ?better?

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                    FAR
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                    Experience is everything these days, you cannot get a job without it.

                    The advantages of experience far outweigh the desires of being pleased sexually.

                    Older and experienced does automatically give you matured and experienced and developed knowledge.

                    In experienced and younger does automatically mean more higher divorces and failures in marriages and what not.

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                      SarahY
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                      rubbish, lots of places offer jobs to people with no experience.

                      just because you?re experienced doesn?t mean you?re an expert in the field.

                      failure of marriage differs and is subjective to all individuals.

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                        FAR
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                        rubbish, lots of places offer jobs to people with no experience.

                        just because you?re experienced doesn?t mean you?re an expert in the field.

                        failure of marriage differs and is subjective to all individuals.

                        So you believe in having an expert in the field? I'm sure a youngester in experienced is no where near to being an expert as compared to one who is.

                        And what places offer jobs to people with no experience? Ah yes, ones where they like young women.

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                          Kukumber
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                          Everyone has to start with 0 experience at one time.

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                            FAR
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                            Everyone has to start with 0 experience at one time.

                            Yeah, working for free... from there on.

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                              SarahY
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                              FAR you have totally derailed the topic.. go to any job seeking search engine and type "no experience" and i will assure you job positions will come up, at least the one's i've tried have.

                              Experience isn't everything. people learn and gain experience that's life. just because you experience something once, twice or a million times doesn't mean it's always going to be the same.

                              People learn from theory and practice, not everyone follows advice from experience. we have our own minds and make our own conclusions.

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                                FAR
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                                FAR you have totally derailed the topic.. go to any job seeking search engine and type "no experience" and i will assure you job positions will come up, at least the one's i've tried have.

                                Experience isn't everything. people learn and gain experience that's life. just because you experience something once, twice or a million times doesn't mean it's always going to be the same.

                                People learn from theory and practice, not everyone follows advice from experience. we have our own minds and make our own conclusions.

                                People learn from who? Exactly, from other experienced people. Well of course when experienced people are available. Aren't there experienced people available?

                                Our own minds? Shouldn't we all rather have our minds focused towards truth?

                                And no, I haven't derailed the topic... I've expanded it.

                                Let me quote the first post

                                Arab writer and social commentator, Sana Al Khayat believes the whole issue has much to with the notion of "control".

                                "If she's a virgin, she doesn't have any way of comparing . If she's been with other men, then she has experience. Having experience makes women stronger."

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                                  shadowpuppet
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                                  http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestal_Virgin

                                  There is this point in history... where everything sort of converged.
                                  It's the part of which only art remains... and fragments of it, at that.

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                                    nsws1988
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                                    Peace

                                    This is so sad. Some women break their hymen from sports.
                                    Why is it that it is always the girl that gets punished for these things brickwall

                                    People are resulted to sex before marriage for certain reasons

                                    1. Junk food.

                                    Actually junk food isn't good for the libido. And no one would want to sleep with you if you weigh 500 pounds.

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