Asalamalaikum from Canada
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Hello I am new here as well, and I am also a new revert to God Alone.
I was born and raised in Saudi Arabia but am of Indian origin. I was raised believing that I am a Sunni muslim and do not remember anyone telling me that hadith is not to be put on par with the Qu'ran or not used a source of legislation. I came to Canada at the age of 8. Growing up I was not very religious and even had an atheist phase which embarrassed me deeply upon personal reflection of this phase as I grew older and began to once again believe in a creator as I was taught to when I was a child.
When I came to Canada my parents did not force religion upon me or set up sessions with someone learned in the Qu'ran who taught me to recite it in Arabic, a language which I was only beginning to learn and yet learned to recite the Qu'ran in Arabic completely (I have since forgotten large sections of the Qu'ran in its original Arabic language however I remember some verses in the original language, along with verses I have re learned in a language I understand)
I began becoming interested/reverted to this religion out of my own accord about 2 years ago.
Only about 5 days ago I entered a phrase into google that changed my life "hadith which contradict the Qu'ran"
At first I described myself as one of those who "only follow the hadith which do not contradict the Qu'ran"
For the past 4-5 days I have spent at least an hour and a half if not more everyday reading sites like this one and quranic.org
Of all the quotes from the Qu'ran which have been presented to me arguing in favour of the position of Allah ALONE, one of them stood out to me like a large polished diamond and in my opinion is the only thing one needs to say when speaking with those who insist on a place for hadith in Islam is the following
We did not leave anything out of this book. (63
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Of all the quotes from the Qu'ran which have been presented to me arguing in favour of the position of Allah ALONE, one of them stood out to me like a large polished diamond and in my opinion is the only thing one needs to say when speaking with those who insist on a place for hadith in Islam is the following
We did not leave anything out of this book. (63
Salaam brother AK85, welcome
Mashaa ALLAH brother! I wonder what the SECTARIANS, i.e., Sunnis, Shi'ahs, and... what not, have to say to justify their views against 638.
With salaam,
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Hello I am new here as well, and I am also a new revert to God Alone.
I was born and raised in Saudi Arabia but am of Indian origin. I was raised believing that I am a Sunni muslim and do not remember anyone telling me that hadith is not to be put on par with the Qu'ran or not used a source of legislation. I came to Canada at the age of 8. Growing up I was not very religious and even had an atheist phase which embarrassed me deeply upon personal reflection of this phase as I grew older and began to once again believe in a creator as I was taught to when I was a child.
When I came to Canada my parents did not force religion upon me or set up sessions with someone learned in the Qu'ran who taught me to recite it in Arabic, a language which I was only beginning to learn and yet learned to recite the Qu'ran in Arabic completely (I have since forgotten large sections of the Qu'ran in its original Arabic language however I remember some verses in the original language, along with verses I have re learned in a language I understand)
I began becoming interested/reverted to this religion out of my own accord about 2 years ago.
Only about 5 days ago I entered a phrase into google that changed my life "hadith which contradict the Qu'ran"
At first I described myself as one of those who "only follow the hadith which do not contradict the Qu'ran"
For the past 4-5 days I have spent at least an hour and a half if not more everyday reading sites like this one and quranic.org
Of all the quotes from the Qu'ran which have been presented to me arguing in favour of the position of Allah ALONE, one of them stood out to me like a large polished diamond and in my opinion is the only thing one needs to say when speaking with those who insist on a place for hadith in Islam is the following
We did not leave anything out of this book. (63
Excellent answer, bravo I think used that verse myself to shut the hadith following kuffirs the f*** up ;D
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We did not leave anything out of this book. (63
Well, like most of time ignorance of the meaning of the words .
There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.
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God here didn't talk about Quran , the book is the " " the book where God mentioned everything with its destiny and his will(the will of God). Your problem guys here is just taking the translation of the words without its real meaning .
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Well, like most of time ignorance of the meaning of the words .
There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.
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God here didn't talk about Quran , the book is the " " the book where God mentioned everything with its destiny and his will(the will of God). Your problem guys here is just taking the translation of the words without its real meaning .
ahh the archived board )
so why did he say kitab? Why did He say the book and not the archived board? Why does the next verse talk of those who rejected the verses? we dont know the verses in the archived board do we?
It seems you are still in the time of ignorance and have to misinterpret Gods CLEAR Words to match YOUR agenda as a hadithist and worshipper of a man.
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Well, like most of time ignorance of the meaning of the words .
There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.
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God here didn't talk about Quran , the book is the " " the book where God mentioned everything with its destiny and his will(the will of God). Your problem guys here is just taking the translation of the words without its real meaning .
You know what, I realized that after and I researched the full quote. It is most likely correct that what you said.
Now can you give me your commentary on this verse however?
And a day/time, We send/resurrect/revive in every nation/generation a witness/testifier on them from themselves, and We came with you (as) a witness/testifier on those, and We descended on you The Book (a) clarification/explanation to every thing, and guidance, and mercy, and a good news to the Moslems/submitters/surrenderers. (1689)
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You know what, I realized that after and I researched the full quote. It is most likely correct that what you said.
Now can you give me your commentary on this verse however?
And a day/time, We send/resurrect/revive in every nation/generation a witness/testifier on them from themselves, and We came with you (as) a witness/testifier on those, and We descended on you The Book (a) clarification/explanation to every thing, and guidance, and mercy, and a good news to the Moslems/submitters/surrenderers. (1689)
quran doesn't even explain the method of salaat, how can we say that it explains EVERYTHING? that is too big of a claim!
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So now you are questioning the truth of the Qu'ran?
By the way, just in case you are not satisfied with that translation here are some other ones
Literal And a day/time, We send/resurrect/revive in every nation/generation a witness/testifier on them from themselves, and We came with you (as) a witness/testifier on those, and We descended on you The Book (a) clarification/explanation to every thing, and guidance, and mercy, and a good news to the Moslems/submitters/surrenderers.
Yusuf Ali One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people) and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
Pickthal And (bethink you of) the day when We raise in every nation a witness against them of their own folk, and We bring thee (Muhammad) as a witness against these. And We reveal the Scripture unto thee as an exposition of all things, and a guidance and a mercy and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah).
Arberry And the day We shall raise up from every nation a witness against them from amongst them, and We shall bring thee as a witness against those. And We have sent down on thee the Book making clear everything, and as a guidance and a mercy, and as good tidings to those who surrender.
Shakir And on the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and bring you as a witness against these-- and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit.
Sarwar On the day when We call a witness against every nation from their own people, We will call you, (Muhammad), as a witness against them all. We have sent you the Book which clarifies all matters. It is a guide, a mercy, and glad news to the Muslims.
Khalifa The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.
Hilali/Khan And (remember) the Day when We shall raise up from every nation a witness against them from amongst themselves. And We shall bring you (O Muhammad SAW) as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Book (the Quran) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to Allah as Muslims).
H/K/Saheeh And the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, , as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.
Malik O Muhammad, warn them about that Day when We shall call a witness from every nation to testify against it, and We shall call you O Muhammad to testify against your people that is why We have sent down to you this Book (The Qur'an) to explain everything - a guide, a blessing and good news for Muslims.
QXP For, one Day, We shall raise from every community a leading witness against them from among themselves. And We shall call you (O Prophet) to testify regarding those whom your Message has reached. The Book We have revealed to you explains everything; a Guide and Grace and the glad tiding for all those who have submitted.
Maulana Ali And on the day when We raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and bring thee as a witness against these. And We have revealed the Book to thee explaining all things, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit.
Free Minds And the Day We send to every nation a witness against them from themselves, and We have brought you as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Scripture as a clarification for all things, and a guide and mercy and good tidings to those who have surrendered.
Qaribullah And on that Day We shall raise up from every nation a witness from their own against them, and We shall bring you (Prophet Muhammad) as a witness against those. And We have sent down to you the Book making everything clear, as a guidance, and mercy, and glad tidings to those who submit.
George Sale On a certain day We will raise up in every nation a witness against them, from among themselves; and We will bring thee, O Mohammed, as a witness against these Arabians. We have sent down unto thee the book of the Koran, for an explication of every thing necessary both as to faith and practice, and a direction, and mercy, and good tidings unto the Moslems.
JM Rodwell And one day we will summon up in every people a witness against them from among themselves; and we will bring thee up as a witness against these Meccans for to thee have we sent down the Book which cleareth up everything, a guidance, and mercy, and glad t
Asad for one Day We shall raise up within every community a witness against them from among themselves.'O' And thee have We brought forth to bear witness regarding those ,'? inasmuch as We have bestowed from on high upon thee, step by step, this divine writ, to make everything clear,'?' and to provide guidance and grace and a glad tiding unto all who have surrendered themselves to God.
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So now you are questioning the truth of the Qu'ran?
the truth is unavoidable that Quran doesn't explain EVERYTHING!! Pause and reflect! thanks
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Or do you believe it was forged, or an addition to the Qu'ran that was not originally there?
I cannot find it at the moment, but there is a verse from the Qu'ran that says not to implore Allah for the things which he has not mentioned.
So you cannot implore Him, or anyone who claims to have gotten guidance from Him and His commands for the explanation on things which he has not explained. And then it says God is all forgiving, most merciful, most compassionate.
So where would you search then for these explanations? You can use your eyesight, and hearing and you brain, which God has commanded you to use to verify things. In other words, the scientific method...
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I cannot find it at the moment, but there is a verse from the Qu'ran that says not to implore Allah for the things which he has not mentioned.
So you cannot implore Him, or anyone who claims to have gotten guidance from Him and His commands for the explanation on things which he has not explained. And then it says God is all forgiving, most merciful, most compassionate.
So where would you search then for these explanations? You can use your eyesight, and hearing and you brain, which God has commanded you to use to verify things. In other words, the scientific method...
and now the "ifs" and "buts"? as I said the truth is unavoidable good friend!
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quran doesn't even explain the method of salaat, how can we say that it explains EVERYTHING? that is too big of a claim!
and I didn't say that, we don't say that, that's what the Qu'ran says...and I showed you many translations, some of them are followers of the hadith like yourself I'm sure...
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quran doesn't even explain the method of salaat, how can we say that it explains EVERYTHING? that is too big of a claim!
The Quran doesn't explains everything.
It only explain things which are being required as a guidance to live a good life.
The whole objective of the why God gives the Quran is explained in the 'introductory section' of the second chapter."This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who are "mutaqqin".
Who believe in the unknown, and uphold their commandment, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are certain of the hereafter."
(22-4)While God (through other means) teaches / reveal all the things to humankind that they initially know not.
Those revelations doesn't end 1400 years ago, it's a continuing process up until know..
And God guides those whom He wishes...Salam / Peace
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The Quran doesn't explains everything.
It only explain things which are being required as a guidance to live a good life.
The whole objective of the why God gives the Quran is explained in the 'introductory section' of the second chapter."This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who are "mutaqqin".
Who believe in the unknown, and uphold their commandment, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are certain of the hereafter."
(22-4)While God (through other means) teaches / reveal all the things to humankind that they initially know not.
Those revelations doesn't end 1400 years ago, it's a continuing process up until know..
And God guides those whom He wishes...Salam / Peace
You know I was talking to this one guy who was admonishing me for not accepting hadith, and when I showed him this verse along with one that says the Qu'ran is fully detailed, he says to me
Does the Qu'ran talk about biology? Fully Detailed?
Does the Qu'ran talk about dinosaurs? Fully Detailed?...
my reply was basically the Qu'ran does not speak of these two because knowledge of these two are not required to get into heaven...the Qu'ran is not supposed to be a textbook or a manual for aspiring biologists and paleontologists...its a blueprint for life's moral dilemmas and a clear way that shows how one gets into hell, and how one gets into heaven...things which are not covered are things which God does not want you to worry about...
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You know I was talking to this one guy who was admonishing me for not accepting hadith, and when I showed him this verse along with one that says the Qu'ran is fully detailed, he says to me
Does the Qu'ran talk about biology? Fully Detailed?
Does the Qu'ran talk about dinosaurs? Fully Detailed?...
my reply was basically the Qu'ran does not speak of these two because knowledge of these two are not required to get into heaven...the Qu'ran is not supposed to be a textbook or a manual for aspiring biologists and paleontologists...its a blueprint for life's moral dilemmas and a clear way that shows how one gets into hell, and how one gets into heaven...things which are not covered are things which God does not want you to worry about...
Understood... we're on the same page after all..
Same / Peace
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the truth is unavoidable that Quran doesn't explain EVERYTHING!! Pause and reflect! thanks
So you are saying that GOD lied when he said he says in the Quran that it "explains all things" and that he did'nt do as good a job of explaining it unlike your god bukhari ???
quran doesn't even explain the method of salaat, how can we say that it explains EVERYTHING? that is too big of a claim!
The quran tells us REPEATEDLY to STAND, BOW AND POSTRATE, not to ascribe ANY partners to him (which you are doing by following the stupid hadith books of men), not to call on anybody elses name in prayer e.g. muhammed, jesus, sahaba e.t.c and to pray using a moderate tone.
Before you ask how many rakas we should do using the Quran Alone, well may be if you used your common sense, if GOD said that the Quran is fully detailed and yet he left that detail out, then don't you thing that GOD was not really bothered about how many rakats we should do and if he thought that the number of rakats we do during prayer was indeed important then maybe he would have mentioned it?
What kind of "muslim" says or asks stupid stuff like you have about a book they say comes from GOD and are sopposed to believe came from GOD ??? ??? ???
And a day/time, We send/resurrect/revive in every nation/generation a witness/testifier on them from themselves, and We came with you (as) a witness/testifier on those, and We descended on you The Book (a) clarification/explanation to every thing, and guidance, and mercy, and a good news to the Moslems/submitters/surrenderers. (1689)