Asalamalaikum from Canada
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So now you are questioning the truth of the Qu'ran?
By the way, just in case you are not satisfied with that translation here are some other ones
Literal And a day/time, We send/resurrect/revive in every nation/generation a witness/testifier on them from themselves, and We came with you (as) a witness/testifier on those, and We descended on you The Book (a) clarification/explanation to every thing, and guidance, and mercy, and a good news to the Moslems/submitters/surrenderers.
Yusuf Ali One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people) and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
Pickthal And (bethink you of) the day when We raise in every nation a witness against them of their own folk, and We bring thee (Muhammad) as a witness against these. And We reveal the Scripture unto thee as an exposition of all things, and a guidance and a mercy and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah).
Arberry And the day We shall raise up from every nation a witness against them from amongst them, and We shall bring thee as a witness against those. And We have sent down on thee the Book making clear everything, and as a guidance and a mercy, and as good tidings to those who surrender.
Shakir And on the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and bring you as a witness against these-- and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit.
Sarwar On the day when We call a witness against every nation from their own people, We will call you, (Muhammad), as a witness against them all. We have sent you the Book which clarifies all matters. It is a guide, a mercy, and glad news to the Muslims.
Khalifa The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.
Hilali/Khan And (remember) the Day when We shall raise up from every nation a witness against them from amongst themselves. And We shall bring you (O Muhammad SAW) as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Book (the Quran) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to Allah as Muslims).
H/K/Saheeh And the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, , as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.
Malik O Muhammad, warn them about that Day when We shall call a witness from every nation to testify against it, and We shall call you O Muhammad to testify against your people that is why We have sent down to you this Book (The Qur'an) to explain everything - a guide, a blessing and good news for Muslims.
QXP For, one Day, We shall raise from every community a leading witness against them from among themselves. And We shall call you (O Prophet) to testify regarding those whom your Message has reached. The Book We have revealed to you explains everything; a Guide and Grace and the glad tiding for all those who have submitted.
Maulana Ali And on the day when We raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and bring thee as a witness against these. And We have revealed the Book to thee explaining all things, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit.
Free Minds And the Day We send to every nation a witness against them from themselves, and We have brought you as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Scripture as a clarification for all things, and a guide and mercy and good tidings to those who have surrendered.
Qaribullah And on that Day We shall raise up from every nation a witness from their own against them, and We shall bring you (Prophet Muhammad) as a witness against those. And We have sent down to you the Book making everything clear, as a guidance, and mercy, and glad tidings to those who submit.
George Sale On a certain day We will raise up in every nation a witness against them, from among themselves; and We will bring thee, O Mohammed, as a witness against these Arabians. We have sent down unto thee the book of the Koran, for an explication of every thing necessary both as to faith and practice, and a direction, and mercy, and good tidings unto the Moslems.
JM Rodwell And one day we will summon up in every people a witness against them from among themselves; and we will bring thee up as a witness against these Meccans for to thee have we sent down the Book which cleareth up everything, a guidance, and mercy, and glad t
Asad for one Day We shall raise up within every community a witness against them from among themselves.'O' And thee have We brought forth to bear witness regarding those ,'? inasmuch as We have bestowed from on high upon thee, step by step, this divine writ, to make everything clear,'?' and to provide guidance and grace and a glad tiding unto all who have surrendered themselves to God.
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So now you are questioning the truth of the Qu'ran?
the truth is unavoidable that Quran doesn't explain EVERYTHING!! Pause and reflect! thanks
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Or do you believe it was forged, or an addition to the Qu'ran that was not originally there?
I cannot find it at the moment, but there is a verse from the Qu'ran that says not to implore Allah for the things which he has not mentioned.
So you cannot implore Him, or anyone who claims to have gotten guidance from Him and His commands for the explanation on things which he has not explained. And then it says God is all forgiving, most merciful, most compassionate.
So where would you search then for these explanations? You can use your eyesight, and hearing and you brain, which God has commanded you to use to verify things. In other words, the scientific method...
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I cannot find it at the moment, but there is a verse from the Qu'ran that says not to implore Allah for the things which he has not mentioned.
So you cannot implore Him, or anyone who claims to have gotten guidance from Him and His commands for the explanation on things which he has not explained. And then it says God is all forgiving, most merciful, most compassionate.
So where would you search then for these explanations? You can use your eyesight, and hearing and you brain, which God has commanded you to use to verify things. In other words, the scientific method...
and now the "ifs" and "buts"? as I said the truth is unavoidable good friend!
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quran doesn't even explain the method of salaat, how can we say that it explains EVERYTHING? that is too big of a claim!
and I didn't say that, we don't say that, that's what the Qu'ran says...and I showed you many translations, some of them are followers of the hadith like yourself I'm sure...
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quran doesn't even explain the method of salaat, how can we say that it explains EVERYTHING? that is too big of a claim!
The Quran doesn't explains everything.
It only explain things which are being required as a guidance to live a good life.
The whole objective of the why God gives the Quran is explained in the 'introductory section' of the second chapter."This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who are "mutaqqin".
Who believe in the unknown, and uphold their commandment, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are certain of the hereafter."
(22-4)While God (through other means) teaches / reveal all the things to humankind that they initially know not.
Those revelations doesn't end 1400 years ago, it's a continuing process up until know..
And God guides those whom He wishes...Salam / Peace
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The Quran doesn't explains everything.
It only explain things which are being required as a guidance to live a good life.
The whole objective of the why God gives the Quran is explained in the 'introductory section' of the second chapter."This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who are "mutaqqin".
Who believe in the unknown, and uphold their commandment, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are certain of the hereafter."
(22-4)While God (through other means) teaches / reveal all the things to humankind that they initially know not.
Those revelations doesn't end 1400 years ago, it's a continuing process up until know..
And God guides those whom He wishes...Salam / Peace
You know I was talking to this one guy who was admonishing me for not accepting hadith, and when I showed him this verse along with one that says the Qu'ran is fully detailed, he says to me
Does the Qu'ran talk about biology? Fully Detailed?
Does the Qu'ran talk about dinosaurs? Fully Detailed?...
my reply was basically the Qu'ran does not speak of these two because knowledge of these two are not required to get into heaven...the Qu'ran is not supposed to be a textbook or a manual for aspiring biologists and paleontologists...its a blueprint for life's moral dilemmas and a clear way that shows how one gets into hell, and how one gets into heaven...things which are not covered are things which God does not want you to worry about...
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You know I was talking to this one guy who was admonishing me for not accepting hadith, and when I showed him this verse along with one that says the Qu'ran is fully detailed, he says to me
Does the Qu'ran talk about biology? Fully Detailed?
Does the Qu'ran talk about dinosaurs? Fully Detailed?...
my reply was basically the Qu'ran does not speak of these two because knowledge of these two are not required to get into heaven...the Qu'ran is not supposed to be a textbook or a manual for aspiring biologists and paleontologists...its a blueprint for life's moral dilemmas and a clear way that shows how one gets into hell, and how one gets into heaven...things which are not covered are things which God does not want you to worry about...
Understood... we're on the same page after all..
Same / Peace
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the truth is unavoidable that Quran doesn't explain EVERYTHING!! Pause and reflect! thanks
So you are saying that GOD lied when he said he says in the Quran that it "explains all things" and that he did'nt do as good a job of explaining it unlike your god bukhari ???
quran doesn't even explain the method of salaat, how can we say that it explains EVERYTHING? that is too big of a claim!
The quran tells us REPEATEDLY to STAND, BOW AND POSTRATE, not to ascribe ANY partners to him (which you are doing by following the stupid hadith books of men), not to call on anybody elses name in prayer e.g. muhammed, jesus, sahaba e.t.c and to pray using a moderate tone.
Before you ask how many rakas we should do using the Quran Alone, well may be if you used your common sense, if GOD said that the Quran is fully detailed and yet he left that detail out, then don't you thing that GOD was not really bothered about how many rakats we should do and if he thought that the number of rakats we do during prayer was indeed important then maybe he would have mentioned it?
What kind of "muslim" says or asks stupid stuff like you have about a book they say comes from GOD and are sopposed to believe came from GOD ??? ??? ???
And a day/time, We send/resurrect/revive in every nation/generation a witness/testifier on them from themselves, and We came with you (as) a witness/testifier on those, and We descended on you The Book (a) clarification/explanation to every thing, and guidance, and mercy, and a good news to the Moslems/submitters/surrenderers. (1689)
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But instead he believes the words of Bukhari or PUKEhari
Salaam George,
I understand that you may hold grudges against traditional Islam, but may I advise that you use humble and modest words when you express your opinions? The Qur'an advises that we speak in gentle words whenever we address everyone (even the disbelievers), and even if we are engaged in an argument, we are commanded to reply with equal, and if not, better terms.
We may be frustrated with some people who "do not see it the way we do", but that is the test that we have to face. We have to exercise patience and show that we can walk with humility.
I am not defending Bukhari or other muhadithin, but I want to say that we currently view them as 'the antagonists'. However, we did not truly know what their intentions were in collecting hadiths. They might do it for political reasons or corrupting Islam, but they might actually be genuine in their desire to preserve the sayings and the deeds of the Prophet. Only God knows. It's like... we are doing what we believe to preserve the true Islam, but we are currently seen as the 'antagonists' and enemies of Islam by others. What would you feel if people address you with derogatory remarks?
Sorry if I offend you in anyway. But it disheartens me when I see anyone speak harshly, especially when they claim to uphold a System that is basically about establishing peace on Earth. We represent what we believe, through our actions and words.
Salaam.
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You know what, I realized that after and I researched the full quote. It is most likely correct that what you said.
Well, first of all I've got your ignorance . You talk without knowledge which is forbidden in Quran and look for it in Quran that you claimed that you followed it ( not exactely as I see) . And I've proved that you're wrong . You're not alone in this , the whole webiste (some members not).
Now can you give me your commentary on this verse however?
with pleasure, as it seems right ahead your second ignorance of the matter .
And a day/time, We send/resurrect/revive in every nation/generation a witness/testifier on them from themselves, and We came with you (as) a witness/testifier on those, and We descended on you The Book (a) clarification/explanation to every thing, and guidance, and mercy, and a good news to the Moslems/submitters/surrenderers. (1689)
The word in Arabic is "" and the "" is what needs the "" (who is going to explain it and interpret it by deeds and sayings and reports which is by definition Hadith) . the end of the story .
God didn't say "" . Go figure .
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Salaam George,
I understand that you may hold grudges against traditional Islam, but may I advise that you use humble and modest words when you express your opinions? The Qur'an advises that we speak in gentle words whenever we address everyone (even the disbelievers), and even if we are engaged in an argument, we are commanded to reply with equal, and if not, better terms.
We may be frustrated with some people who "do not see it the way we do", but that is the test that we have to face. We have to exercise patience and show that we can walk with humility.
I am not defending Bukhari or other muhadithin, but I want to say that we currently view them as 'the antagonists'. However, we did not truly know what their intentions were in collecting hadiths. They might do it for political reasons or corrupting Islam, but they might actually be genuine in their desire to preserve the sayings and the deeds of the Prophet. Only God knows. It's like... we are doing what we believe to preserve the true Islam, but we are currently seen as the 'antagonists' and enemies of Islam by others. What would you feel if people address you with derogatory remarks?
Sorry if I offend you in anyway. But it disheartens me when I see anyone speak harshly, especially when they claim to uphold a System that is basically about establishing peace on Earth. We represent what we believe, through our actions and words.
Salaam.
Salam
Great post. What we do and say (our words and actions) tells people much about who we are. If islam based on quran is the true islam and the best islam, then its followers have to be the best as well. If we tell people that Islam based on quran is the true islam and that we are following the best way, then our belief system have to manifest this in our characters.We can not be incongruent. We can not and we will not loose our integrity. We have to practice what we believe.
Born again, your philosophy/understanding of the Quran is similar to my philosophy. I wish more people would adapt this mentality.
We will argue with people in the best way/most kindest way
16125 (Asad) CALL THOU (all mankind] unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly manner- for, behold, thy Sustainer knows best as to who strays from His path, and best knows He as to who are the right-guided.
We can learn from the story of Muhammed. There are lessons in these verse below. (We should be understanding and humble and kind when we discuss)
3159 (Asad) And it was by God's grace that thou didst deal gently with thy followers for if thou hadst been harsh and hard of heart, they would indeed have broken away from thee. Pardon them, then, and pray that they be forgiven. And take counsel with them in all matters of public concern; then, when thou hast decided upon a course of action, place thy trust in God for, verily, God loves those who place their trust in Him.
We will not ridicule anyone
4911 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors.
We will follow the best way
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
3955 And follow the best of what has been sent down to you from your Lord, before the retribution comes to you suddenly when you least expect it.
God sees everything we do
1061 And any matter you are in, or any reciting you do of the Quran, or any work you do; We are witnesses over you when you undertake it. Nothing is hidden from your Lord, not even the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heavens, nor smaller than that nor larger, except it is in a clear record.
We will be questioned for what we do/say
4344 And this is indeed a reminder for you and your people; and you will all be questioned.
Even an atom's weight of good or bad actions/words will be counted
997 So whoever does the weight of an atom of good will see it.
998 And whoever does the weight of an atom of evil will see it. -
Salaam Brother David_K,
Thank you for the reply ). Yeah, I do hope everyone can have peaceful heart and do what they have to do without harming anyone. As much as I believe that I am on the right Path with my understanding of islam, I try to be very careful not to 'worship my ideology'. You know... thinking that I must be right and whoever doesn't think the same way must be wrong, and hence falling into excessive pride and egoism p, which can push us away from other people.
Anyway, I've read some of your posts and it's been interesting read (not stalking lol). May God lead us all ).
Salaam.
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Selam
Salaam George,
I understand that you may hold grudges against traditional Islam, but may I advise that you use humble and modest words when you express your opinions? The Qur'an advises that we speak in gentle words whenever we address everyone (even the disbelievers), and even if we are engaged in an argument, we are commanded to reply with equal, and if not, better terms.
We may be frustrated with some people who "do not see it the way we do", but that is the test that we have to face. We have to exercise patience and show that we can walk with humility.
I am not defending Bukhari or other muhadithin, but I want to say that we currently view them as 'the antagonists'. However, we did not truly know what their intentions were in collecting hadiths. They might do it for political reasons or corrupting Islam, but they might actually be genuine in their desire to preserve the sayings and the deeds of the Prophet. Only God knows. It's like... we are doing what we believe to preserve the true Islam, but we are currently seen as the 'antagonists' and enemies of Islam by others. What would you feel if people address you with derogatory remarks?
Sorry if I offend you in anyway. But it disheartens me when I see anyone speak harshly, especially when they claim to uphold a System that is basically about establishing peace on Earth. We represent what we believe, through our actions and words.
Salaam.