Quran vs quranists
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Non, now quit playing the village idiot. You like the appeal to majority, now all of a sudden...the wormeth turneth? It is now an appeal to the minority? How many people exactly said "you was more than juste" whatever that means? A dude that hangs around the forum with different usernames waiting on pounce and play upon old grudges, that's who. That's your people. Right. I'm sick and tired of this sort of crap being lobbed all over the forum. This is a place for learning, sharing and in the end, for those that don't agree with the main message of the site, do your own thingy and go away. If you want to stick around in that case, one'd better have something more than their brilliant personality to carry the day is all.
Those that insist on sticking around speaking in tongues claiming the quran said this and that and REFUSE to come up with any evidence from the quran should get well acquainted with Rule 2] Please note that this forum is primarily dedicated to the study and understanding of the Scripture (Quran). Thus, mocking/ridiculing/insulting it and/or not being able to back-up Quranic based claims (i.e. Quran says this or that) with specifics may result in deletion of such posts and/or removal of topic and/or disciplinary action being taken against the offending member.
This is not the first time we have had those that disagree, we have sterling examples in the past of people (yes, note the plural) from different faiths/sects whatnot curious and/or disagreeing, discussing with reasoning/logic, and all around enrichment from the experience. The difference by contrast is...there are those that come here for kicks (time to burn/I have no friends!), for ego stroking (I know kungfu/arabic/hear me roar!), for asserting some delusion of superiority (we are the chosen sect, you're all losers lalalala!), for thinking they are bonafide "warriors of Allah" meant to smite such forums down (ironically with no evidence from the quran itself but who needs that when one has "hikma" where they can find whatever they want eh?)
Now you have a choice. Either post your evidence from the quran for your claims on this thread, or slink away into the sunset.My thread is full of Quranic based claims , you can't deny that, it is you who speak without a verse and you can't back up Quranic based claims . You like to talk and just to talk . I stiil carry the challenge one thread me and you and Quran. About those who disagree with you or with the forum were not as they supposed to be, I'm better and just to make it clear for you, no chance to defeat me in your own part of the world .
The thread is full of verses, did you come up with one disagree with what I said ? sorry the answer is no . I read the forum rules , so I hold the stick from the middle .
You want to defeat me, here we go I'm challenging in a thread me and you with Quran alone, no use of any hadith.
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Right -- I'd better take my advice from someone who is a liar, like you.
Yes, sure thing because everything you wrote is wrong . I know that The is too hard for you . A man shocked you because he just shows you that you're living in a lie of claiming that you follow Quran .
Even your best sources are full of mistakes and distortion of the words and Quran.
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Interesting how such a big fat mysterious issue has been made of "the wisdom different from wisdom" in the quran.
Consider 1912 "O John, you shall uphold the scripture, strongly." We endowed him with wisdom, even in his youth.
Yeah, he was given a collection of his own best actions/mannerisms/rules/laws/etc for the rest of his ordained life (leatherbound with gold accents) for future pious believers to follow, in his youth...other than the scripture obviously.
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hmm hmm hmm
Anyone here , ohhhoooooo
look at this ( Wisdom is in a way a form of reason. Reason is not sufficient by itself) . So if reason is not sufiicient by itself and wisdom is in a way a form of reason, so wisdom is a way not sufficient by itself too .
1+x=2
x=1 not 0 not 2 not any other number . if we take the logic of this guy x can be any number .
1(wisdom) is in a way a form of 2 (reason). but 2 is not sufficient by itself . how come the last result which is 2(reason) not be sufficient and we know that 1 is a form of it ? 1+1=2
P.S This not the subject .
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Prove it. Show us the "more than 10.000" questions you answered. If you can't, it is clear that you are a liar.
You want the forum(I was thinking that this subject died) , hahaha , anyways sorry I can't give you the website . I'm registred in a lot of furoms but this one( thet you want) is my beloved, I'll not give it to you.
P.S This forum is for Quran is not, I'm using Quran, as I see no one here use Quran .
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Of course you can't because it would expose your lies.
And why it will expose my lies ? if I lie , I lied to myself and God will decide not you . so your trick will not work .
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Interesting how such a big fat mysterious issue has been made of "the wisdom different from wisdom" in the quran.
Consider 1912 "O John, you shall uphold the scripture, strongly." We endowed him with wisdom, even in his youth.
Yeah, he was given a collection of his own best actions/mannerisms/rules/laws/etc for the rest of his ordained life (leatherbound with gold accents) for future pious believers to follow, in his youth...other than the scripture obviously.
Ah now, you bact to the real thread .
So thanks for admiting that wisdom is not the scripture . can I ask you this question "why would God gave him wisdom in his youth ? "
P.S every prophet with its own wisdom .
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Because it will show that you did NOT answer "more than 10.000 questions."
Well, if I lied , I lied to myself not to you as I'm the one who this lie is going to hurt him or I can ask forgiveness from God if I did lie not from you, am I right ? and God will decide not you .
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Wrong. You lied to everyone here who read your post boasting about answering thousands of questions. nope
God knows thanks .
Now back to the topic, any other writers wrote mistakes about the word wisdom ?
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Ah now, you bact to the real thread .
So thanks for admiting that wisdom is not the scripture . can I ask you this question "why would God gave him wisdom in his youth ? "
P.S every prophet with its own wisdom .
Ask me the question? I brought the verse up! You tell me what wisdom in one's youth means, that is why I brought it up...to dispel your illusions. Notice the contrast...even in his youth...so God gave him something that people normally do not have in their youth (or some ever, apparently).
P.S. I know what it doesn't mean.
P.P.S. Yes, every one with their own wisdom.
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Ask me the question? I brought the verse up! You tell me what wisdom in one's youth means, that is why I brought it up...to dispel your illusions. Notice the contrast...even in his youth...so God gave him something that people normally do not have in their youth (or some ever, apparently).
You didn't ask me about wisdom in youth but I did ask you . You brought up the verse but you didn't ask me . I'm the one who asked you. So are you going to answer or just say I don't know and I try to explain.
P.S. I know what it doesn't mean.
Is there a thing we know what does not mean ? things are always with meaning, so when you answer the question by yes or not , tell me how ?
P.P.S. Yes, every one with their own wisdom.
Can you tell me How everyone whith its own wisdom ?
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Consider 1912 "O John, you shall uphold the scripture, strongly." We endowed him with wisdom, even in his youth.
Just to clarify something you did take it in a wrong way . In this verse God didn't say wisdom .
(12) (13) (14) (15) .
The word is "Hokma" not "Hikma" which is wisdom . so Hokma here not wisdom .
Hokma that came in the verse means comprehend the laws and giving the knowledge and govern between people in a right manner.
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Does that mean you admit that you have been lying? hmm
No, that means that God knows if I lied or if I didn't . God knows what's in my heart . So thanks for your care.
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Listen, you want to play this game, fine...let me show you how it's done and after that, if you don't stop playing dense, you have only yourself to blame.
You didn't ask me about wisdom in youth but I did ask you . You brought up the verse but you didn't ask me . I'm the one who asked you. So are you going to answer or just say I don't know and I try to explain.
I did ask you about wisdom in youth that is why I brought the verse up (duh) I brought up the verse to ask you to explain, it's obvious. I'm the one who asked you so are you going to answer or just say I don't know and I try to explain.Is there a thing we know what does not mean ? things are always with meaning, so when you answer the question by yes or not , tell me how ?
Yes there are things we know what does not mean. Things are always with meanings that is why we know what does not mean. Why is a toasting fork? (hur dur) So when you answer my question by yes, or not, tell me how what.Can you tell me How everyone whith its own wisdom ?
Can you tell me how everyone not?The word is "Hokma" not "Hikma" which is wisdom . so Hokma here not wisdom .
Hokma that came in the verse means comprehend the laws and giving the knowledge and govern between people in a right manner.
judgment/arbitration yes...now, in your own words, how would someone endowed with god given wisdom ("every prophet with their own wisdom", make judgements/arbitrate/govern between people in a right manner? Like a dumb duck? Or a wise human? It obviously follows that he could analyse and use reasoning, had sound judgement/wisdom. Use your head!
(apologies to those with a sane bent of mind reading the above)....Th1 what comes after is not for the likes of you, just stick to the above, thanks.
Apparently wisdom/authority/judgement/guidance given to someone "even in his youth" implies that it is
a) not something that is normally present at that age. Thus, the contrast given.
b) is something that points towards utilising the scripture in part, hence the "you shall uphold the scripture, strongly". Extracting wisdom/guidance from situations/environment/what is around and within, exercising sound judgement. Through god given faculties of experiencing, reasoning, understanding, assimilating, etc going through a process that results in wisdom/sound judgement.This applies to everyone, everywhere. Anyone can go through the process and God willing achieve wisdom. Sadly, elitist snobs act as if it was some secretive magical ritual that took place via mystical means and lesser/sub humans can never achieve wisdom, unless it's the freakin' ulema. They have it in spades. Oh yes.