Quran vs quranists
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If you said me and Ayisha visited the market, is that mean that me is Ayisha are the same person?
Idiotic analogy. If I said I gave you a brain and knowledge, would you use them together to get wisdom? Apparently not.Instruct is like taking orders from your boss or from a book in a city you don't know it . So give lessons is the right words here.
Who's your daddy/boss in the quran Th1, so to speak? Do you not take orders from the quran? -\ Oh yeah, you take orders from rumour mongers centuries after the revelation, sorry I forgot.Hahaha, this is from my post
So? I'm borrowing his line of argument.es, Ayat are not just verses and the post above is mine .
Yes, I know the post is yours...instead of focusing on the trivial can you perhaps focus on the direction of the "discussion"? Too much to ask?I said it fits because of the word wasn't for Quran, and you can check out , it's with proof .
That's not proof, maybe you need to look up the meaning of the word. You keep ignoring that both are mentioned shifting to singular = connect the damn concepts, along with all the other verses that point to quran being the vessel of it's wisdom.This is your speech, bring my posts not write stories from your mind .
Now, it's my turn to do the Th1...Hahaha this is your post and MY responses. Obviously you can't counter. Sprint away and try to kick up dust as you do.Liar, I gave evidence .I said why would God said teaching them in another verse in the thread if he doesn't mean teaching them by deeds and sayings and reports , go figure
No, you're the LIAR. You're the one who lies and says instructing them means NOT from the quran. You have no evidence except for the voices in your head = YaAAithu is not instruct because prophet not in need of instructing you using Quran because Quran is full of clear instructions. This is your idiotic rebuttal! So the prophet had no need to use the quran to instruct because the quran is full of clear instructions. What utter crap. No wonder you're so far gone from reality, you're lost in your own illogical made up fantasies. 2129 "Our Lord, and send amongst them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the Scripture and the wisdom, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise."Liar, you have admitted before that Wisdom and scripture are two different things now you back up your claims and saying that they are one , what a joke , just prove it from Quran that they are the same . and about "I trump you all" is your bla bla bla I didn't say that and it is your way of lying .
You're hopelessly incompetent in your chosen mode of communication. It's already proven.Whatever if that is going to make you happy.
Ignore when you can't counter, and pathetically counter where you try to. Good job.Another lie and running of the right subject, you said I didn't answer Jack which a moderator, but in fact he said nothing in his posts other than write a puzzle and run . About "you can't prove jack" I didn't say it , which is lie from you .
Gibberish. Please switch to french, just so I can say excuse my french.No, you're not doing fine ..you're just here to speak just for avoiding the subject and hide the truth . your tricks are cheap .
More crap.I don't know but I can't guess , but being you or another person , maybe.
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Hahah, is God said that Quran is full of Wisdom ?
Your example is wrong because God didn't say that Quran is full of wisdom,
You are laughing at Quran and the Words of Allah? voodoo
358 This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom
101 A.L.R. These are the ayats of the Book of Wisdom.
312 These are Verses of the Wise Book
362 By the Qur'an, full of WisdomExplain in your own words those verses.
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Until you understand what God said in his book, then you can speak .
until you understand that God prohibits in believing anything after the Quran, you should just shut up.
These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which HADITH after God and His AYAS do they believe?
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No, it was not clear that you were talking about the Qur'an. I asked you explicitly which translators / dictionaries you were referring to when you stated they are all wrong. You refused to answer.
Please read my posts properly. I wrote above
My dictionary lists about two pages of meanings for the rood ha-ka-mim and related words.
That was after you said it is basically impossible to translate the word hikmah.
See above. I was speaking about translations in general. Your claim was that all translators and translations are wrong. I pointed out that it is imposssible for you to determine whether this is true. As far as I can see, you have not even checked an Arabic / English or Arabic / French dictionary for possible translations.
I don't have to live with you in order to see that your command of English is faulty to say the least.
Are you living with me to know which dictionaries I am using and how they translate hikmah?
No, you haven't. nope How are you able to determine the quality of a translation from Arabic to English?I've answered all these things but my computer just shut down with no reason , and I must say that it was too long and I can't write it again . Instead of that I'm going to say this is not about the subject, make a thread if you want to talk about wrong not wrong .
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By the Qur'an, full of wisdom
(362)
Yes , the word "" is "" so it description . Not full of wisdom .
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You are laughing at Quran and the Words of Allah? voodoo
No, I'm laughing at your ignorance . I've read Quran when I was 5 years old .
358 This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom
(5 the word is " " and it is "" , so he didn't say that it is full of wisdom as your example of onions .
by the way you didn't answer the question .
101 A.L.R. These are the ayats of the Book of Wisdom.
the word is " " and it is "" , so he didn't say that it is full of wisdom
312 These are Verses of the Wise Book
the same as above .
362 By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom
Lie , the verse didn't say full of wisdom . the verse is the same as the above words which decription .
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) . now you're distorting the word of God .
Explain in your own words those verses.
I did, God in those verses described his book by wisdom . And he didn't say that he is full of wisdom neither word means wisdom . He means that the book is "" which means that the book is in a good manner and ways of making it, the verses are exactely the same, the stories are authentic according to the other books and the events and instruction are in it let alone making him timeless. this is the meaning of the word in each verse you wrote, they translated it wisdom but it is not wisdom in its meaning . the word is wisdom but its meaning is not wisdom.
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Egypt has a lot of power cuts -\
what do you mean ?
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I've said how to Ayisha because the word here is not about wisdom in its meaning . The word is wisdom but its meaning it is not, discribing Quran that it is wisdom was not literally . It means that the Quran is very well given and written with no fault in it or mistakes and it is orgnized very well and no one can say something about his authencity.
That's how you translate ? confused
And you want us to believe that your warped explanation above is correct and all the translators and authors of dictionaries are wrong?
No offense, but I'd rather trust my dictionary.
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Some of us do not have the priviledge of sitting in front of the computer all day everyday posting on the Free-Minds Forum. We do have businesses to run. ;D
Anyway, getting onto the topic, we know full well that the Quran is Wisdom of which there is no doubt. Nothing on the face of the earth can match the Quran. Period.
Let's agree that when the Quran mentions Book and Wisdom, using the word/letter 'wa' in order to break the sentence from Book, it is describing itself. No problem.
Now, why would the Prophet PBUH be taught the Wisdom of the Quran, if his sole job was to deliver the message and not teach the message?
Simple question.
Peace.
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It is 'describing' that the book is full of wisdom )
No, the word is not about wisdom literally . it means that the Quran is in a good manner, no one can stabe in its contents or find a mistakes in it . It is not about wisdom .
we said for a thing that is "" means tough and so organized with no chance to say something about it.
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in this verse can very well be translated as "full of wisdom".
How would you translate the verse?
I've said how to Ayisha because the word here is not about wisdom in its meaning . The word is wisdom but its meaning it is not, discribing Quran that it is wisdom was not literally . It means that the Quran is very well given and written with no fault in it or mistakes and it is orgnized very well and no one can say something about his authencity.
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I've said how to Ayisha because the word here is not about wisdom in its meaning . The word is wisdom but its meaning it is not, discribing Quran that it is wisdom was not literally . It means that the Quran is very well given and written with no fault in it or mistakes and it is orgnized very well and no one can say something about his authencity.
That's how you translate ? confused
And you want us to believe that your warped explanation above is correct and all the translators and authors of dictionaries are wrong?
No offense, but I'd rather trust my dictionary.
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because the word here is not about wisdom in its meaning . The word is wisdom but its meaning it is not, discribing Quran that it is wisdom was not literally . It means that the Quran is very well given and written with no fault in it or mistakes and it is orgnized very well and no one can say something about his authencity.
Evidence that Th1 will go to any lengths to lie and cheat his way out of a corner. Even when the quran contradicts him, gives him nowhere to run, he's still at it.
The word is wisdom but it doesn't mean wisdom lol. It doesn't mean wisdom literally? You'd ask if it meant symbolically? Oh no, not even that because that still would mean he lied....so it means everything under the sun but wisdom even though the word is WISDOM. Wow. This should be sigged.
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Hahah, is God said that Quran is full of Wisdom ?
Your example is wrong because God didn't say that Quran is full of wisdom,No, I'm laughing at your ignorance . I've read Quran when I was 5 years old .
Your post is above and you were laughing at the words of Allah claiming they are not there. If you read it when you were 5 then you should update yourself and read again if you have missed those verses.(5 the word is " " and it is "" , so he didn't say that it is full of wisdom as your example of onions .
so answer the question and explain it in your own words instead of just saying it doesnt say that.by the way you didn't answer the question .
There was no question in your post, only one about onions and I am sticking to the topic as you requested  
the word is " " and it is "" , so he didn't say that it is full of wisdom
so what DID he say?the same as above .
same as above, what DID He say?Lie , the verse didn't say full of wisdom . the verse is the same as the above words which decription .
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) . now you're distorting the word of God .
No you are, now again, what DID it say if it didnt say what I posted?I did, God in those verses described his book by wisdom . And he didn't say that he is full of wisdom neither word means wisdom . He means that the book is "" which means that the book is in a good manner and ways of making it, the verses are exactely the same, the stories are authentic according to the other books and the events and instruction are in it let alone making him timeless. this is the meaning of the word in each verse you wrote, they translated it wisdom but it is not wisdom in its meaning . the word is wisdom but its meaning is not wisdom.
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That's how you translate ? confused
And you want us to believe that your warped explanation above is correct and all the translators and authors of dictionaries are wrong?
dictionary will give you a lot of meanings about the word, I gave you the meaning of the word in Quran .Dictionary work by the meaning from an arabic view , I gave you the meaning from Quranic view.
No offense, but I'd rather trust my dictionary.
Is your dictionary will give you the meaning of the verse and what God wanted to say ? No .
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Evidence that Th1 will go to any lengths to lie and cheat his way out of a corner. Even when the quran contradicts him, gives him nowhere to run, he's still at it.
The word is wisdom but it doesn't mean wisdom lol. It doesn't mean wisdom literally? You'd ask if it meant symbolically? Oh no, not even that because that still would mean he lied....so it means everything under the sun but wisdom even though the word is WISDOM. Wow. This should be sigged.Whatever !! you take the word as it is written in arabic, but do you know what it means in arabic ? I doubt . When they translated the word into "wisdom" your mind stick with wisdom in your language .
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what do you mean ?
I mean
Egypt = a country called Misr by its inhabitants
has = this is to mean that Egypt 'has' something as in 'belonging to it'
a = singular meaning as in 'a thing' 'a thought' 'a camel'
lot = meaning many (in English we use 'a lot' to mean 'many' and I could have used 'lots' instead of 'a lot' to mean the same thing)
of = describing what there are 'a lot' "of"
power = electricity
cuts = used after the word 'power' to mean 'lack of power' or 'reduction or taking away of power'