Quran vs quranists
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You are laughing at Quran and the Words of Allah? voodoo
No, I'm laughing at your ignorance . I've read Quran when I was 5 years old .
358 This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom
(5 the word is " " and it is "" , so he didn't say that it is full of wisdom as your example of onions .
by the way you didn't answer the question .
101 A.L.R. These are the ayats of the Book of Wisdom.
the word is " " and it is "" , so he didn't say that it is full of wisdom
312 These are Verses of the Wise Book
the same as above .
362 By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom
Lie , the verse didn't say full of wisdom . the verse is the same as the above words which decription .
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) . now you're distorting the word of God .
Explain in your own words those verses.
I did, God in those verses described his book by wisdom . And he didn't say that he is full of wisdom neither word means wisdom . He means that the book is "" which means that the book is in a good manner and ways of making it, the verses are exactely the same, the stories are authentic according to the other books and the events and instruction are in it let alone making him timeless. this is the meaning of the word in each verse you wrote, they translated it wisdom but it is not wisdom in its meaning . the word is wisdom but its meaning is not wisdom.
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Egypt has a lot of power cuts -\
what do you mean ?
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I've said how to Ayisha because the word here is not about wisdom in its meaning . The word is wisdom but its meaning it is not, discribing Quran that it is wisdom was not literally . It means that the Quran is very well given and written with no fault in it or mistakes and it is orgnized very well and no one can say something about his authencity.
That's how you translate ? confused
And you want us to believe that your warped explanation above is correct and all the translators and authors of dictionaries are wrong?
No offense, but I'd rather trust my dictionary.
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Some of us do not have the priviledge of sitting in front of the computer all day everyday posting on the Free-Minds Forum. We do have businesses to run. ;D
Anyway, getting onto the topic, we know full well that the Quran is Wisdom of which there is no doubt. Nothing on the face of the earth can match the Quran. Period.
Let's agree that when the Quran mentions Book and Wisdom, using the word/letter 'wa' in order to break the sentence from Book, it is describing itself. No problem.
Now, why would the Prophet PBUH be taught the Wisdom of the Quran, if his sole job was to deliver the message and not teach the message?
Simple question.
Peace.
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It is 'describing' that the book is full of wisdom )
No, the word is not about wisdom literally . it means that the Quran is in a good manner, no one can stabe in its contents or find a mistakes in it . It is not about wisdom .
we said for a thing that is "" means tough and so organized with no chance to say something about it.
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in this verse can very well be translated as "full of wisdom".
How would you translate the verse?
I've said how to Ayisha because the word here is not about wisdom in its meaning . The word is wisdom but its meaning it is not, discribing Quran that it is wisdom was not literally . It means that the Quran is very well given and written with no fault in it or mistakes and it is orgnized very well and no one can say something about his authencity.
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I've said how to Ayisha because the word here is not about wisdom in its meaning . The word is wisdom but its meaning it is not, discribing Quran that it is wisdom was not literally . It means that the Quran is very well given and written with no fault in it or mistakes and it is orgnized very well and no one can say something about his authencity.
That's how you translate ? confused
And you want us to believe that your warped explanation above is correct and all the translators and authors of dictionaries are wrong?
No offense, but I'd rather trust my dictionary.
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because the word here is not about wisdom in its meaning . The word is wisdom but its meaning it is not, discribing Quran that it is wisdom was not literally . It means that the Quran is very well given and written with no fault in it or mistakes and it is orgnized very well and no one can say something about his authencity.
Evidence that Th1 will go to any lengths to lie and cheat his way out of a corner. Even when the quran contradicts him, gives him nowhere to run, he's still at it.
The word is wisdom but it doesn't mean wisdom lol. It doesn't mean wisdom literally? You'd ask if it meant symbolically? Oh no, not even that because that still would mean he lied....so it means everything under the sun but wisdom even though the word is WISDOM. Wow. This should be sigged.
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Hahah, is God said that Quran is full of Wisdom ?
Your example is wrong because God didn't say that Quran is full of wisdom,No, I'm laughing at your ignorance . I've read Quran when I was 5 years old .
Your post is above and you were laughing at the words of Allah claiming they are not there. If you read it when you were 5 then you should update yourself and read again if you have missed those verses.(5 the word is " " and it is "" , so he didn't say that it is full of wisdom as your example of onions .
so answer the question and explain it in your own words instead of just saying it doesnt say that.by the way you didn't answer the question .
There was no question in your post, only one about onions and I am sticking to the topic as you requested  
the word is " " and it is "" , so he didn't say that it is full of wisdom
so what DID he say?the same as above .
same as above, what DID He say?Lie , the verse didn't say full of wisdom . the verse is the same as the above words which decription .
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) . now you're distorting the word of God .
No you are, now again, what DID it say if it didnt say what I posted?I did, God in those verses described his book by wisdom . And he didn't say that he is full of wisdom neither word means wisdom . He means that the book is "" which means that the book is in a good manner and ways of making it, the verses are exactely the same, the stories are authentic according to the other books and the events and instruction are in it let alone making him timeless. this is the meaning of the word in each verse you wrote, they translated it wisdom but it is not wisdom in its meaning . the word is wisdom but its meaning is not wisdom.
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That's how you translate ? confused
And you want us to believe that your warped explanation above is correct and all the translators and authors of dictionaries are wrong?
dictionary will give you a lot of meanings about the word, I gave you the meaning of the word in Quran .Dictionary work by the meaning from an arabic view , I gave you the meaning from Quranic view.
No offense, but I'd rather trust my dictionary.
Is your dictionary will give you the meaning of the verse and what God wanted to say ? No .
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Evidence that Th1 will go to any lengths to lie and cheat his way out of a corner. Even when the quran contradicts him, gives him nowhere to run, he's still at it.
The word is wisdom but it doesn't mean wisdom lol. It doesn't mean wisdom literally? You'd ask if it meant symbolically? Oh no, not even that because that still would mean he lied....so it means everything under the sun but wisdom even though the word is WISDOM. Wow. This should be sigged.Whatever !! you take the word as it is written in arabic, but do you know what it means in arabic ? I doubt . When they translated the word into "wisdom" your mind stick with wisdom in your language .
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what do you mean ?
I mean
Egypt = a country called Misr by its inhabitants
has = this is to mean that Egypt 'has' something as in 'belonging to it'
a = singular meaning as in 'a thing' 'a thought' 'a camel'
lot = meaning many (in English we use 'a lot' to mean 'many' and I could have used 'lots' instead of 'a lot' to mean the same thing)
of = describing what there are 'a lot' "of"
power = electricity
cuts = used after the word 'power' to mean 'lack of power' or 'reduction or taking away of power' -
dictionary will give you a lot of meanings about the word, I gave you the meaning of the word in Quran .Dictionary work by the meaning from an arabic view , I gave you the meaning from Quranic view.
No, you gave me the meaning from your personal point of view. There is no proof whatsoever that hikma does not mean wisdom, but instead means all those things you said above. That is your personal interpretation based on the understanding that hikma somehow literally means "wisdom" in some verses, and "sunna" in others. But the more you try to justify this sort of understanding, the more illogical it gets.
I am sorry, but that does not make an inkling of sense to me.
Is your dictionary will give you the meaning of the verse and what God wanted to say ? No .
Look, I don't really know how to explain this anymore, because I think I have been quite clear in my previous posts.
Of course a dictionary will not give me the meaning of a verse. But it will give me the various meanings of a word. And I can use this as a starting point for further research, for example an eximanination of where and how often the word appears in the Qur'an, in which context it is used there and so on. And from that I can arrive at an understanding of a verse.
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Your post is above and you were laughing at the words of Allah claiming they are not there. If you read it when you were 5 then you should update yourself and read again if you have missed those verses.
there was no question in your post, only one about onions and I am sticking to the topic as you requested
so what DID he say?
same as above, what DID He say?
No you are, now again, what DID it say if it didnt say what I posted?
??? ???I've explained that it was just a description and the word it is not about wisdom .
look at this the meaning of Hakim .
"" means tough and organized in a good manner with no small mistakes in a thing .
"" means the man who is wise .
"" means the one who judge between two people in a wise manner.
I'm the arab one here, so I know what is the meaning of the word in this part of the verse .
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I mean
Egypt = a country called Misr by its inhabitants
has = this is to mean that Egypt 'has' something as in 'belonging to it'
a = singular meaning as in 'a thing' 'a thought' 'a camel'
lot = meaning many (in English we use 'a lot' to mean 'many' and I could have used 'lots' instead of 'a lot' to mean the same thing)
of = describing what there are 'a lot' "of"
power = electricity
cuts = used after the word 'power' to mean 'lack of power' or 'reduction or taking away of power'You know that I didn't mean that , I've understood very well what you said and it is illogical, no one has the power to cut power if there is no fault in the structure of distribution of power or in the line of delivering the power .
did you talk in everything without knowledge ? I've study electricity and this is nonsense from you about cutting power . Anyways This is not our subject .
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I'm the arab one here, so I know what is the meaning of the word in this part of the verse .
There are lots of Arabs who translate this word as wisdom.
Besides, it has nothing to do with being Arab or not. If you understand an Arabic word but are not able to properly explain it in English, or give a proper translation, it's not much use in the context of this discussion.
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No, you gave me the meaning from your personal point of view. There is no proof whatsoever that hikma does not mean wisdom, but instead means all those things you said above. That is your personal interpretation based on the understanding that hikma somehow literally means "wisdom" in some verses, and "sunna" in others. But the more you try to justify this sort of understanding, the more illogical it gets.
I am sorry, but that does not make an inkling of sense to me.Ok, it's your choice .
Look, I don't really know how to explain this anymore, because I think I have been quite clear in my previous posts.
Of course a dictionary will not give me the meaning of a verse. But it will give me the various meanings of a word. And I can use this as a starting point for further research, for example an eximanination of where and how often the word appears in the Qur'an, in which context it is used there and so on. And from that I can arrive at an understanding of a verse.Sorry looking for the meaning in various meanings will not give you the meaning . So you don't want to take the word from a native speaker, fine .
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Whatever !! you take the word as it is written in arabic, but do you know what it means in arabic ? I doubt . When they translated the word into "wisdom" your mind stick with wisdom in your language .
Do you also do the valley girl flip when you say whatever? Anyways, yes I know what it means in arabic. It means wisdom.
Now, go reply to my posts you haven't replied to/show me where you replied or I'll consider it a slink. A shameful slink.