Quran vs quranists
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I'm the arab one here, so I know what is the meaning of the word in this part of the verse .
There are lots of Arabs who translate this word as wisdom.
Besides, it has nothing to do with being Arab or not. If you understand an Arabic word but are not able to properly explain it in English, or give a proper translation, it's not much use in the context of this discussion.
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No, you gave me the meaning from your personal point of view. There is no proof whatsoever that hikma does not mean wisdom, but instead means all those things you said above. That is your personal interpretation based on the understanding that hikma somehow literally means "wisdom" in some verses, and "sunna" in others. But the more you try to justify this sort of understanding, the more illogical it gets.
I am sorry, but that does not make an inkling of sense to me.Ok, it's your choice .
Look, I don't really know how to explain this anymore, because I think I have been quite clear in my previous posts.
Of course a dictionary will not give me the meaning of a verse. But it will give me the various meanings of a word. And I can use this as a starting point for further research, for example an eximanination of where and how often the word appears in the Qur'an, in which context it is used there and so on. And from that I can arrive at an understanding of a verse.Sorry looking for the meaning in various meanings will not give you the meaning . So you don't want to take the word from a native speaker, fine .
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Whatever !! you take the word as it is written in arabic, but do you know what it means in arabic ? I doubt . When they translated the word into "wisdom" your mind stick with wisdom in your language .
Do you also do the valley girl flip when you say whatever? Anyways, yes I know what it means in arabic. It means wisdom.
Now, go reply to my posts you haven't replied to/show me where you replied or I'll consider it a slink. A shameful slink.
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I've explained that it was just a description and the word it is not about wisdom .
look at this the meaning of Hakim .
"" means tough and organized in a good manner with no small mistakes in a thing .
"" means the man who is wise ."" means the one who judge between two people in a wise manner.I'm the arab one here, so I know what is the meaning of the word in this part of the verse .
yep you're right, nothing in there to do with wisdom at all brickwall
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You know that I didn't mean that , I've understood very well what you said and it is illogical, no one has the power to cut power if there is no fault in the structure of distribution of power or in the line of delivering the power .
did you talk in everything without knowledge ? I've study electricity and this is nonsense from you about cutting power . Anyways This is not our subject .
WTF? ??? ??? ??? there are power cuts all the time in Egypt as you well know! I mean THE POWER IS SHUT OFF, CLOSED, CUT, NOT THERE ANYMORE gimme a break! brickwall
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I know you studied electricity, you mentioned it countless times on the secret board.
And, yes, there are power cuts in Egypt all the time, this is not nonsense!
The secret board?!
Oh, wow.... this place is way out of control.
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- Similarly (to complete My Blessings on you), We have sent among you a Messenger (Muhammad م of your own, reciting to you Our Verses (the Qur??n) and purifying you, and teaching you the Book (the Qur??n) and the Al-Hikmah (i.e. Sunnah, Isl?mic laws and Fiqh - jurisprudence), and teaching you that which you used not to know.
Reformer, your basic standpoint is that the presence of "waw" between the Book and "alhikmata" confirms these as two seperate things. If that is true then the next "waw" will classify that to be something superior than both the book and alhikmata which he is teaching. What type of that knowledge is?
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The secret board?!
brickwallThereformer1 said he answered something like 10,000 questions on Islam on another board and 'won' all battles against anyone that tried to refute him, but he refuses to name the board so we can see these glorious answers to all the questions asked of him about Islam.
Basically, he is withholding knowledge about the religion of Islam from those with questions here.
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Do you also do the valley girl flip when you say whatever? Anyways, yes I know what it means in arabic. It means wisdom.
Now, go reply to my posts you haven't replied to/show me where you replied or I'll consider it a slink. A shameful slink.
You beastie, you scared him off again, now I will have to do some work >
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You beastie, you scared him off again, now I will have to do some work >
You're right, we'll lose the comic relief
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Oh, okay... I thought I was being left out.
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Oh, okay... I thought I was being left out.
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We were referring to this
Yeah sure, I've been in another Forum and they have asked me millions of questions and I answered but I didn't wait another millions of questions, so I did cancel my account . and you know one of the guys that I have talked to him(he was an atheist) and he got all his questions from this forum and he gave me the link.
No, sorry I'll not give you the link (believe me or not , I don't care ).
P.S millions of questions was a metaphore, but I might have answered more than 10.000 questions .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600278.75
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We were referring to this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600278.75
Please everyone stay on topic! Thanks
so far the conclusion is
Alhikma is not Alkitaab. they are two different things like Nabyi and Rasool are different.
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so which is Muhammed? Nabi or Rasool? ???
He is both the nabyi and rasool!
now answer this
Allah sent down the book i.e quran and the hikma i.e....? may be once but think about it. Not kitaabil hakeem but Alkitaab Wa alHikma... now pause and reflect! thanks
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He is both the nabyi and rasool!
now answer this
Allah sent down the book i.e quran and the hikma i.e....? may be once but think about it. Not kitaabil hakeem but Alkitaab Wa alHikma... now pause and reflect! thanks
Two things were "sent down". And what was done with these "two"
and He taught you/He gave you the knowledge........after some pause, some people may also now try to reflect---but perhaps retarded children/people can learn only through physical exercises...but since the data already got stored by Bukharis in the non declarative memory cannot be deleted, I have little hope it gets into their minds.
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Two things were "sent down". And what was done with these "two"
and He taught you/He gave you the knowledge........after some pause, some people may also now try to reflect---but perhaps retarded children/people can learn only through physical exercises...but since the data already got stored by Bukharis in the non declarative memory cannot be deleted, I have little hope it gets into their minds.
and what did prophet do?
he (the prophet) teaches you alKitaab and alHikmah and teaches you that which you did not know.
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"the book and the wisdom"
One book.
One wisdom.I don't see any argument here.
A book is a book and wisdom is wisdom... as in the ability to understand the book.There's only one book mentioned here.
I realize I am new to this website and I will try to refrain from being a know-it-all
-- because I don't know it all and would never claim to...
but this is... peas and carrots, is it not?