Quran vs quranists
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Salaam Zulu,
I believe Prophet Muhammad's duty was to deliver the message. He was bestowed the wisdom (the essence of the Qur'an) so he could lead the Believers through examples and actions. For example, when the Qur'an ordains the Believers to speak humbly and modestly, the Prophet would know better not to swear or talk to others harshly. What he did to give examples to the Believers, is all in the Qur'an.
When the Qur'an ordained the Prophet to say 'salaamun alaikum' to the Believers, that's what he did or do you think the wisdom of the Prophet is to say 'Assalaamu 'alaikum instead?" When the Qur'an ordained the Prophet to perform ablution by washing the face, the hands and rubbing the head and the feet, that's what he did, or do you the think the wisdom of the Prophet is to add washing the mouth, rubbing the nose and rubbing the ears? Prophet was endowed the understanding of the Qur'an, so he could lead by examples.
We need not look other sources other than the Qur'an to see what the Prophet did.
Salaam.
Allah sent down two things on the prophet
The prophet taught two things
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alKitaab = quran
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alHikmah = -------
now don't assume, just using the quran alone tell us what is alHikmah that God sent down and the prophet taught to his people?
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Salaam Zulu,
Yes, the Prophet showed examples on how to practice the Qur'an, however, he did not create a new set of rules that can nowhere be found in the Qur'an. He exercised the Qur'anic commandments as they are written in the Qur'an, and he did not add nor subtract anything. FYI, I do not dismiss hadiths all together. Some hadiths, stories, other people's opinions and sayings, can have merits and inspire me to be a better person. However, I do not make them religiously binding nor I will say that they are the will of God.
Back to the topic, I believe when it is not stated in the Qur'an, it means that God gives us flexibility as to how we are going to perform it. Regarding salaat, for argument's sake, let's say that salaat equates ritual worship. It is not specified in the Qur'an how to worship God, because what matters is what's inside. I don't think I can rely on outside references anyway, since they differ. I have performed ritual worship with both ahlussunnah wal jama'ah and Shia Muslims, and their movements are different, and to my knowledge, they all claim to follow the "records of the Prophet's deeds and sayings".
Anyway, same goes with other commandments. You are not 100% told how much charity you should give, as long as you are not too stingy or too spendy. I don't know about you, but do you feel insecure if you cannot get details for every single thing that you do?
I guess what I am trying to say, yes, the Prophet delivered the Qur'an and set examples. However, these examples are in line with the Qur'an and nothing 'extra'. If Qur'an prohibits only 4 things to eat, then the Prophet would abstain from those 4 things and he would never, never prohibit something else for the Believers.
The references and records can all be found in the Qur'an, the Book that is authorised by God. You will find the Prophet's sayings/hadiths in the Qur'an, hence many of the verses are commanding the Prophet to "Say...". The Qur'an is the timeless record, and no Islamic scholar would dare to say that one Qur'anic verse is "weak" or "fabricated". Would you then seek references somewhere else?
Salaam.
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I thought you were the majority ???
Yes, In Muslims world, but I must admit that Ignorants are the majority in the world .
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Yes, In Muslims world, but I must admit that Ignorants are the majority in the world .
brother, don't let them go off-topic!
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On topic would be a retraction of statements put forward by Th1. This is why we have a Rule 2.
Fair warning.
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On topic would be a retraction of statements put forward by Th1. This is why we have a Rule 2.
Fair warning.
R2
2] Please note that this forum is primarily dedicated to the study and understanding of the Scripture (Quran). Thus, mocking/ridiculing/insulting it and/or not being able to back-up Quranic based claims (i.e. Quran says this or that) with specifics may result in deletion of such posts and/or removal of topic and/or disciplinary action being taken against the offending member.
and who will decide if the claim is backed up or not?... mods? or we'll have the voting.. yay
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You know RH, it was cute the first couple times, then it got boring. Now, it's just annoying.
Read the Rules. Anyone reading the thread, even ardent supporters of a lost cause can see what's up. As for your antics, I suggest taking some time to rethink them.
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The verses
" 2129. Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed All?h answered their invocation by sending Muhammad م, who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur??n) and Al-Hikmah(full knowledge of the Isl?mic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood), and purify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."
Peace,
Lets analyze the Book (Quran) and wisdom.
We have Quran that is full of wisdom as evident from 362 - And the Quran that is full of wisdom.
And the other wisdom is the wisdom that is necessary to understand the wisdom in the Quran and to distinguish between Allah's book and false book.
The other wisdom is also the wisdom that may not be transferable. An example is Solomon
2179 - We granted Solomon the correct understanding, though we endowed both of them with wisdom and knowledge. We committed the mountains to serve David in glorifying (God), as well as the birds. This is what we did.
Understanding the language of bird is limited to Solomon only. No amount of hadith can transfer that wisdom to other.
If Prophet Muhammad was supposed to transfer wisdom to us then he would have left a book for us. No such book exist. That means follow the Quran and ask Allah for wisdom to understand the Quran.