what do you say about this ?

Ayisha

What does that mean? Is it the same as "stumm" in German, i.e. silent etc.?

yes leyna, I think it may come from German or maybe Yiddish.

kgwithnob

Dear savage_carrot and All,

It seems to me that Thereformer 1 is on a MISSION. I think his mission is to create confusion and chaos on the community. So far, he has been relatively successful on his mission.

I suggest that putting a restraining order on him through the moderators of the forum is good for the community as a whole. We all know why he and a few colleagues of him are here for. They very well know what they are doing. Their aim is to prevent the growth of the community of Monotheists, i.e., the believers in GOD ALONE, QUR?AAN ALONE, The true MUSLIMS.

Thereformer1 guy routinely starts new topics with the same exact theme, 1st to run away from answering the multitude of questions that are being put to him, leaving them unanswered, 2nd and like I said before, to create chaos and confusion.

So I strongly suggest enforcing the rules of the forum and do not allow someone like him to get away so easy.

Peace,
Khalil

savage_carrot

Peace Khalil,

I agree, I've mentioned this previously as well. His relative success so far however has been to litter the forum with nonsensical posts and to get me to start posting again. He now has some time to rethink, but somehow I don't believe he'll be using the time wisely cough.

abdalquran

If I know that guy well enough, right now he'll be smugly saying they couldn't handle me so they banned me.

savage_carrot

Oh, yes. It's like a whole 'nother reality that exists in his head.

I don't think we should handle crap anyways, it's dangerous for our health.

Ayisha

If I know that guy well enough, right now he'll be smugly saying they couldn't handle me so they banned me.

absolutely. He will be on another forum arrogantly telling people how he answered millions of questions and was way too intelligent for us so he was banned - or he deleted his account. &nbsp Strangely enough he has not answered questions left on the other 'secret forum' either, which he has gone back to over the last couple of days, the one where he 'deleted his account' and was Egyptian ;D

I have encountered better than him before, they all run eventually and I hope and pray they go off and 'reflect' on the logic people put to them, but I doubt it.

abdalquran

You gotta admit, SC. Th1 kept the forum very active for a month or so. He posted TWENTY FIVE posts daily!

Ayisha, yes agreed. I've seen far better than him before. I have a respect for the sunni approach to Islam with its study of theology and mysticism. I see Quranism as a whole other path though.

Ayisha

You gotta admit, SC. Th1 kept the forum very active for a month or so. He posted TWENTY FIVE posts daily!

Ayisha, yes agreed. I've seen far better than him before. I have a respect for the sunni approach to Islam with its study of theology and mysticism. I see Quranism as a whole other path though.

I did keep ME busy! I have said to SC that through him I learnt more daily as I was looking up things I had read and forgot and was seeing again with new eyes. sadly his debating skills were totally useless though and I have had MUCH better debates with his kind over on the 'secret forum' long ago. I have been burnt in hell on numerous occassions and stuff they say against Allah and Quran is really shocking, and they believe it!

I dont call what I believe as Quranism though, I do not call myself a Quranist because as I see it I am only doing what Allah told me to do and following the Book, 2552 Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur'an).

hope4

Selam

Why ban the man? He was like comical Ali, made me laugh ;D

Peace

Leyna

yes leyna, I think it may come from German or maybe Yiddish.

Interesting. Yiddish is actually derived from an old version of German. There are some funny words in there that do not exist in German but are instantly understood by any German speaker.
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edit Just googled it. You were correct, it's Yiddish.

Shtum ? quiet ( shtum 'mute&#039 (German stumm)

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinglish

Leyna

He will be on another forum arrogantly telling people how he answered millions of questions and was way too intelligent for us so he was banned - or he deleted his account. &nbsp

And he might also claim he is getting dozens of private messages congratulating him and asking for advice. Stay tuned ... ;D ;D ;D

Ayisha

And he might also claim he is getting dozens of private messages congratulating him and asking for advice. Stay tuned ... ;D ;D ;D

yes I always found it odd that those who PM him and agree with him never have the bottle to say it on the main boards. ??? I think that 'agreed with me' sits up there in the clouds with 'I won'

herbman

Salam,

3336 {It is not for a believer, man or woman, when All?h and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys All?h and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.}

Al-Ahzab-36 { }

The word in Arabic is "" and it is from the root " " and the word means judge or make a judgement or a law which is making ligeslations.

God order us in this verse that the term believing is according to obey the ligeslations of God and his instructions and obey the prophet's ligeslations and his instructiosn as well, anyone who does not obey both of them is not in the right path and he is lost .

So why would God said after his own ligeslations that the prophet can make ligeslations as well ?

P.S The posts must start by answering the question .

? Last Edit May 01, 2010, 033142 PM by Thereformer1 ?

hahahah, I've explained to him this subject and I did beat him before in it and he ran away a whole week, bringing this question "how many verses of the abrogates " ? and he always asked this question, hahaha .

I'll not waste my time in this subject because his knowledge of it is too pooooooooooooooooooooooorr. And he will ask one question and I'll not ask any question because I know the subject very well .

Plus I'm going to challenge the best in this Forum , so bring him . You and the members here are just a dummies, let's see the maker of these dummies .

No need to be the best on anything to answer your question O0

In verse 2 of the same surat

But follow that which comes to thee by inspiration from thy Lord for Allah is well acquainted with (all) that ye do.

So we know prophete is meant to following himself what he has been inspired with, he has no other choice and could not deviate of this line otherwise as Allah said 6943-48 "And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart"

That beeing said, let's try to understand then what 3336 means.

As you know the prophete sws was a prophete, a messenger, a ruler, a war chief, family's father etc etc

being a chief, a ruler etc the prophete had some authority on his community, when leading wars etc etc

so what does it mean for us 14 century later?
If you read the Quran (I am sure you did but maybe you were distracted), you will find hundreds of verses with "Qul etc etc ...." "Say etc etc....", if you follow what is after these "Say...." you are following the prophete sws, it is as simple as that.

Difference between hatih and Quran "Say" words

Scenario
If someone dies and after his death a witness write a book with all the "sayings" of this dead person, do you think the dead one agreed on all the written saying? Obviously not! He was dead when they wrote the book!!!
Now take the case of the Quran, was it accomplished during prophete Muhamad live? Yes
Did prophete Muhamad agreed on all the written "Qul"= sayings? Yes, otherwise we would not get the Quran as it is today.
So is the differences between the 2.
Hope I answered your question.