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    BornAgain
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    Considering the divorce rate...it's not the worst idea in the world. Trust goes both ways. If she's indeed not a trophy wife/gold digger, she will gladly sign such an agreement. Most people who get married, expects/hope it will last. But how many HAPPY marriages do last? In many cases, you find out what the REAL person is about, once you live with them for a while.

    I am only speaking ideologically here.

    Peace

    Salaam,

    I guess I can understand from that point of views. Anyway, if I were a gold-digger, I guess I wouldn't divorce my husband and get a fixed portion of his wealth. Why get only a portion, when I could get ALL of his money by being in a relationship with him hahaha... I'm joking off course .

    Salaam.

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      Wootah
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      Salaam,

      I guess I can understand from that point of views. Anyway, if I were a gold-digger, I guess I wouldn't divorce my husband and get a fixed portion of his wealth. Why get only a portion, when I could get ALL of his money by being in a relationship with him hahaha... I'm joking off course .

      Salaam.

      Make him pay to get rid of you P

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        FAR
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        I don't think you understand that people are equal in marriage. A woman typically raises the family and the man typically works to provide but they are equal and the assets they acquire are acquired together. Let's not focus too specifically on the issue because I think my reply is the accurate moral sense of what should be done in divorce. Naturally I agree that we each bring to a marriage different assets and that these should go back to the person that owned them. Houses and businesses and investments are trickier to split. Do not forget that had the woman known that she was getting divorced she would probably have not spent her time as she did and would have worked on acquiring assets and money. And the wife often provides the emotional strength and security the man needed to succeed in his work. Finally if there are children they are best raised by the wife, assuming she is of sound mind and the family home is best for this. But again it is often simpler to sell the house, split the money and move on.

        You don't sound like a christian... oh right a Christian. Sorry I forget that's a big difference.

        Salaam,

        I guess I can understand from that point of views. Anyway, if I were a gold-digger, I guess I wouldn't divorce my husband and get a fixed portion of his wealth. Why get only a portion, when I could get ALL of his money by being in a relationship with him hahaha... I'm joking off course .

        Salaam.

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        So I take it this place is for free minds rather than for quran lovers? I don't see much quran referencing here. Just free-hearsay.

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          Wootah
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          You don't sound like a christian... oh right a Christian. Sorry I forget that's a big difference.
          I re-read my post that made you make this quote. My post seemed to have valid content to the topic. Whereas you seem to be on a tangent with my posts. What am I saying in my post that you disagree with?

          So I take it this place is for free minds rather than for quran lovers? I don't see much quran referencing here. Just free-hearsay.

          Well I joined because I am in interested in the free minds aspect and to understand quran lovers. It is interesting that you think the URL is misleading. Frankly how many sites are there where a Muslim can question the Quran or the Hadiths?

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            FAR
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            I re-read my post that made you make this quote. My post seemed to have valid content to the topic. Whereas you seem to be on a tangent with my posts. What am I saying in my post that you disagree with?

            Well I joined because I am in interested in the free minds aspect and to understand quran lovers. It is interesting that you think the URL is misleading. Frankly how many sites are there where a Muslim can question the Quran or the Hadiths?

            If you think they'd question the quran or the hadiths... then it'd be easy for people to question you. So why worry?

            Ah this post lost any value once it stopped referring to the quran.

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              huruf
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              Salaam,

              I always wonder about people who sign pre-nuptial agreements before they get married. Do they marry while thinking about the possibility of a divorce? When I marry someone, I'd like to think that I'll spend the rest of my life with him &nbsp. That is the ideal situation off course.

              Personally, I think the signing of such agreements means that you don't fully trust your partner. As you have said, why get married at all?

              Salaam.

              Marriage is an agreement, a pact, every agreement or pact contains clauses in case the parties want or need to dissolve it. It is something inherent to the deed. If you enter a contract with a good employer and you really believe that you want to be with the firm all your working life, still you sign a ontract subject to termination by either party. That is not distrust, that is an acknowledgment of the the fact that only God is allpowerful and therefore everything else is subject to failure. If you are honest and love the person you want to marry you do not want that if failure ever happens you should end up hating him or her beccause of the uglyness of a situation, or injustice being done to him or her or to you.

              Absolute trust can only be put in God

              Salaam

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                AK85
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                I don't think you understand that people are equal in marriage. A woman typically raises the family and the man typically works to provide but they are equal and the assets they acquire are acquired together. Let's not focus too specifically on the issue because I think my reply is the accurate moral sense of what should be done in divorce. Naturally I agree that we each bring to a marriage different assets and that these should go back to the person that owned them. Houses and businesses and investments are trickier to split. Do not forget that had the woman known that she was getting divorced she would probably have not spent her time as she did and would have worked on acquiring assets and money. And the wife often provides the emotional strength and security the man needed to succeed in his work. Finally if there are children they are best raised by the wife, assuming she is of sound mind and the family home is best for this. But again it is often simpler to sell the house, split the money and move on.

                If a woman knew she was getting divorced she would spend time acquiring assets and money, sounds reasonable. This verse addresses women who don't do that though, and who still live in the house and benefit from it and yet still commit adultery. And I will not take back what I said that it is fine to cite them to the authorities (as seems to be the accurate translation) or kick them out.

                You are blinded by what you see as misinformation in the Qu'ran (your own words) and you do not approach the Qu'ran with a sincere heart (You're a Christian...just letting you know)

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                  AK85
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                  I re-read my post that made you make this quote. My post seemed to have valid content to the topic. Whereas you seem to be on a tangent with my posts. What am I saying in my post that you disagree with?

                  Well I joined because I am in interested in the free minds aspect and to understand quran lovers. It is interesting that you think the URL is misleading. Frankly how many sites are there where a Muslim can question the Quran or the Hadiths?

                  People question things about the Qu'ran that they don't understand.

                  There are some who do question the Qu'ran, like people who say the Qu'ran is full of misinformation and others as well with similar proclamations and questions but from what I've seen people who come here question things they don't understand not question things period.

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                    AK85
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                    People question things about the Qu'ran that they don't understand.

                    There are some who do question the Qu'ran, like people who say the Qu'ran is full of misinformation and others as well with similar proclamations and questions but from what I've seen people who come here question things they don't understand not question things period.

                    By the way, you asked me once for links which you can read that discussed the situation of women in Somalia and Afghanistan being raped during their civil war periods. What did you think of the articles I provided?

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                      aqua
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                      I have written an article on verse 434 of the Qur'an, a verse which has commonly been misinterpreted to justify violence against women. I have created a website to publish this article www.quranverse434.com

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