aidid's errors!
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peace all
Peace all,
Although I do very much appreciate the efforts of Safar Aidid in his work Arab conspiracy but as any human work it has its mistakes and errors. While reading some parts of the text I came across this explanation of him which I consider wrong and will try to present that gw.
Comparing some forms of verbs in his study of the word MASAJID (root SJD) Aidid states the following
The root word Sahara means To cast a spell or to bewitch. When somebody is bewitched a prefix Ma is appended to the root, which becomes the ground form of the verb Mas-hur. Mas-hur is not a place or a physical building but the state of being bewitched is Mas-hur.
These are the few comparisons from the long list of examples in the Quran. The words mas-hur, Mastur, mas-kuna, ma-sajid, mas-hud and mas-juni are verbs appended with the prefix of Ma before their respective root words. They refer to the continuous state of be being of the active participles or recipients of the doers. Simple examination from the Quran can easily expose the unnecessary distortion perpetuated by the Arabs to change the meaning of simple words in achieving their ends.
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MH Let us have the simple examination of the list of words stated above in Aidid's text;
Mashur
Mastur
Maskun(a)
Masjun
Masjid!Just have a look at the list and you will clearly see that the word MASJID does not FIT there!?
If it were Masjud, then it would be perfect comparison but as we see it is not.
One of the words in the list is from the root SKN. The derivative Maskun means inhabited but what is the place for inhabiting in Arabic. It is MaSKaN its plural is MaSaKiN, so MaSaKiN are the places for inhabiting (houses, flats, villages, etc) Now compare it with MaSaJiD, from SJD and you will find that they agree, that is they are of the same form. I will put them in line to make the comparison easier;
SKN
SJDmaSaKiN
maSaJiD(I put the original letters of the root in capital and the added ones in small letters.)
MA is a prefix in Arabic but as we see clearly it does not have only ONE USE. The case with SKN would suffice. We have of SKN maSKuN and maSaKiN.
So we have too words/derivatives of the root SKN both derivatives are with the prefix MA and have different meanings.
So, I do not think we should exclude this possibility that maSaJiD are places but what we have to study here is what are these places dedicated for. I do not think mosques is a good translation, but again I think that Aidids view on the word is not right although I do agree with him on sujood.
I will add my understanding of the word maSaJiD gw in my text on SJD which will soon be finished gw.
I will gw continue to share my comments on the text as well as other subjects related to our efforts to study the Book.
Peace
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Peace mh, all,
Although he makes some good points, I found Aidid's approach emotionally charged and hence undisciplined and lacking in objectivity. I would like to add to this discussion two other mistakes that he made
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He confuses the English letter H with the Arabic letter "7" ("7a'a" and hence confuses "7JJ" with "HJR" and reduces both of them the non-existent root "HJ".
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"Bayt" is definitely the singular form of "biyut" and Aidid was wrong about them being different. This is confirmed by the example given in verse 2941 where both words are used
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The example of those who take protectors other than The God is that of the female spider that took for herself a house ("bayt" and truly the flimsiest of the houses ("al-biyut" is the spider's house ("bayt", if they knew.
I hope this helps.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman.
Peace.
I am researching Aidid's work concerning Hajj and he uses the above verse to justify his interpretation of Baytan as a system. Aside from the singular/plural problem, another question that arises is why would a spider be following a system and why would a spider's system be the most fragile?Since the Allah is quoting an example of a spiders house, commonsense dictates that He is talking about the spiders web (house) which is the flimsiest of houses and breaks easily upon application of minute force.
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Salaams All,
Is it the spider or according to the dictionary ?the ill conformed
Check the context of the ayah and see!029.036
YUSUFALI To the Madyan (people) (We sent) their brother Shu'aib. Then he said "O my people! serve Allah, and fear the Last Day nor commit evil on the earth, with intent to do mischief."
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YUSUFALI But they rejected him Then the mighty Blast seized them, and they lay prostrate in their homes by the morning.
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YUSUFALI (Remember also) the 'Ad and the Thamud (people) clearly will appear to you from (the traces) of their buildings (their fate) the Evil One made their deeds alluring to them, and kept them back from the Path, though they were gifted with intelligence and skill.
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YUSUFALI (Remember also) Qarun, Pharaoh, and Haman there came to them Moses with Clear Signs, but they behaved with insolence on the earth; yet they could not overreach (Us).
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YUSUFALI Each one of them We seized for his crime of them, against some We sent a violent tornado (with showers of stones); some were caught by a (mighty) Blast; some We caused the earth to swallow up; and some We drowned (in the waters) It was not Allah Who injured (or oppressed) them" They injured (and oppressed) their own souls.
029.041YUSUFALI The likeness of those who take protectors other than Allah is that of the ill conformed , who build a house; but truly the flimsiest of houses is the house of the ill conformed;- if they but knew.
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YUSUFALI Verily Allah doth know of (every thing) whatever that they call upon besides Him and He is Exalted (in power), Wise.
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YUSUFALI And such are the Parables We set forth for mankind, but only those understand them who have knowledge.We should read the quran according to the context of the other ayah's.
God Bless.
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Considering it is a parable I am more comfortable with the original translation i.e a spider. The verse talks about "flimsiest of houses" and I don't see how the "ill conformed" would have such houses!
This is the only verse where this word appears in the Quran I believe so we won't know its usage "from the Quran".
Also, I don't see how the previous verses give us any clue of the meaning of Ankabut as "ill-comformed"
peace.
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Peace all
g1q1
IMO this verse would make sens if it was the flimsiest of "systems"elke
Why would a spider have the "flimsiest of systems"? Does'nt make sense.
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Why would a spider have the "flimsiest of systems"? Does'nt make sense.
not the spider, the ill conformed as in
'The likeness of those who take protectors other than Allah is that of the ill conformed , who build a system; but truly the flimsiest of systems is the system of the ill conformed;- if they but knew.'
I would understand the ill conformed as those who do not conform to the system of God
peace, lk
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not the spider, the ill conformed as in
'The likeness of those who take protectors other than Allah is that of the ill conformed , who build a system; but truly the flimsiest of systems is the system of the ill conformed;- if they but knew.'
I would understand the ill conformed as those who do not conform to the system of God
peace, lk
Hmm ... does make more sense no doubt. Now tell me how have you arrived at the meaning of the root word Ain-K-B-T as "ill conformed"?
peace.
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Salaams god1quran1, Elke,
The root is actually Ain, Nun, K, B and the t is just making the word feminine- as I see.
Page 392 quranic Dictionary by Abdul Mannam Omar.
Salaams.
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Salaams god1quran1, Elke,
The root is actually Ain, Nun, K, B and the t is just making the word feminine- as I see.
Page 392 quranic Dictionary by Abdul Mannam Omar.
Salaams.
I do not have access to this dictionary. Can you please provide more details.
thanks and peace.
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Salam
Thanks mz for referring me to this thread. I have found an answer and perhaps a plausible explanation.
Quran e Majeed has given an example comparing the Psyche of those who adopt "Aulia" (protectors, god fathers) instead of Allah with that of a female spider who also adopts a house. Spiders, female and male, make (manufacture), build separately their webs for the purpose of catching prey. Web is primarily a hunting place not the bait, i.e. house. It is not family mansion, since male and female spider do not live like a family. Male and female of even the same species are careful of each other and come closer for mating after identification. Certain people "Ittakhazoo" others as their "Aulia" and female spider "Ittakhazat" (singular,feminine, past) a house which is weakest of all houses. "Ittakhazat" does not mean making something. It is taking something, adopting. The precision of similarity of attitude could be seen in the house which female spider adoptsThe females of many species place the egg sac on a stalk, wraps leaves
about it, attach it to a stone, or cover it with smooth silk before abandoning it. Other females guard the egg sac or carry it either in their jaws or attached to the spinnerets. If a female loses an egg sac, she makes searching movements and may pick up a pebble or a piece of paper and attach it to the spinnerets.(Encyclopedia Encarta) -
So, what is the conclusion about Aidid's errors gentlemen?
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Wise words from "TheNabi" and the truth.
Peace.
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I think the goodness of his work is enough for enyone. Just to be able to give people the one belief that the quran isn't perfect and has been messed with is enough in ones life time and his work has done that for many of us.
Thanks Aididsafar,
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I agree, also giving thanks to Aidisafar!
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Salam
Im in the opinion that the basis of the Arabs have distorted the meaning of words in the Quran have no basis from the Quran itself;
However it is explained in the Quran that the Jews and other nation/race(qawm) that have not come to the Prophet have distorted meaning of words. Aidid Safar is no Arab.
541 Muhammad Ahmad/Samira
You, you the messenger, do not be saddened (by) those who quicken/speed in the disbelief, from those who said "We believed" with their mouths, and their hearts/minds did not believe, and from those who repented/Jews (who are) often listening/hearing to the lie/falsehood, (and) often listening/hearing to other nations (that) they did not come to you, they alter/distort the words/expressions from after its places, they say "If you were given that, so take it , and if you were not given it, so be warned ." And whom God wants testing him , so you will never own/possess for him from God a thing, those are those who God did not want that to purify their hearts/minds , for them in the present world (is) shame/scandal/ disgrace, and for them in the end (other life is) a great torture.The fact that Aidid have not complete his translation(stuck at Surah #2) after close to 10 years his book was first launch shows that something is wrong in his approach.
