Women & household finances - In Quran or hadith?
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I have heard that the women are supposed to be in charge of household finances? Is this in the Quran or is it a hadith?
I tried to do a search but I only found this...
434 The men are to support the women with what God has bestowed upon them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The upright females are dutiful; keeping private the personal matters for what God keeps watch over. As for those females from whom you fear desertion, then you shall advise them, and abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate from them. If they respond to you, then do not seek a way over them; God is Most High, Great.
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I've not come across any quranic verses that say this so I think it's most likely a hadith or a cultural thing.
peace
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I've not come across any quranic verses that say this so I think it's most likely a hadith or a cultural thing.
peace
Seconded. Probably just as well, some are hopelessly incompetent at that sorta stuff <cough>
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I was a little pressed for time before, hence the brief reply. The verses were to do with responsibilities for man/woman.
It is not in The Quran as far as I'm aware, and I'd be surprised if it was in Traditional ahadith/narrations, maybe it is. According to The Quran, the male is the default provider for the household/family, and this is most likely due to woman having the extra burden of child-bearing, hence the extra burden of support for the man. However any mutual agreement can supersede the default setting. Similar to the default distribution in inheritance unless there is a will, which will supersede the default setting.
As a side note, I recommend the following site in terms of a more accurate translation of 434.
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Salaam,
I believe it is due to some people taking out Qur'anic verses out of context. Few months ago, I talked to someone that the Qur'an tells women to stay at home and he provides me with this verse
And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.
He argued that that the Qur'anic verse 'clearly' lays out the responsibility of women, that is, to stay at home and perform household chores. However, what he failed to do is providing the previous verse, which directs only for the wives of the Prophet.
O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word.
In terms of household finances, I can only conclude that men bear the responsibilities of providing the household finances, but it does not mean that women cannot work and have to stay at home. Like Brother Wakas said, I believe mutual agreement can be arranged to determine who bears what responsibility in household.
Salaam.
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Salaam,
I believe it is due to some people taking out Qur'anic verses out of context. Few months ago, I talked to someone that the Qur'an tells women to stay at home and he provides me with this verse
And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.
He argued that that the Qur'anic verse 'clearly' lays out the responsibility of women, that is, to stay at home and perform household chores. However, what he failed to do is providing the previous verse, which directs only for the wives of the Prophet.
O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word.
In terms of household finances, I can only conclude that men bear the responsibilities of providing the household finances, but it does not mean that women cannot work and have to stay at home. Like Brother Wakas said, I believe mutual agreement can be arranged to determine who bears what responsibility in household.
Salaam.
Those verses are only related to the prophet. His time and circumstances completely differ from today. Most likely that was what was best for his wives considering God is aware of their characters and circumstances. But the verse does not apply to all women otherwise it would have been mentioned somewhere else.
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Those verses are only related to the prophet. His time and circumstances completely differ from today. Most likely that was what was best for his wives considering God is aware of their characters and circumstances. But the verse does not apply to all women otherwise it would have been mentioned somewhere else.
Salaam,
That's what I said in my previous post, Brother. I think you misunderstood me.
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Salaam,
That's what I said in my previous post, Brother. I think you misunderstood me.
Salam Sister
Your wrote about some people taking quranic verses out of context. I understood you there. By quoting your post i meant to add my opinion on the verse with respect to how it was taken out of context.
peace
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Salaam,
I believe it is due to some people taking out Qur'anic verses out of context. Few months ago, I talked to someone that the Qur'an tells women to stay at home and he provides me with this verse
And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.
He argued that that the Qur'anic verse 'clearly' lays out the responsibility of women, that is, to stay at home and perform household chores. However, what he failed to do is providing the previous verse, which directs only for the wives of the Prophet.
O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word.
In terms of household finances, I can only conclude that men bear the responsibilities of providing the household finances, but it does not mean that women cannot work and have to stay at home. Like Brother Wakas said, I believe mutual agreement can be arranged to determine who bears what responsibility in household.
Salaam.
If those verses are not applicable to all believing women how then that information is of any use for us now? I would like to know your opinion. thanks
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If anyone wants to imply 3333-34 etc is for all women and they should stay at home or not go outside unchaperoned etc, then that means they think Moses' wife and Maryam etc are bad examples, thus their view will contain a contradiction with The Quran.
In other words, their view will be nonsense.
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/women-confined-to-houses.htm
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If anyone wants to imply 3333-34 etc is for all women and they should stay at home or not go outside unchaperoned etc, then that means they think Moses' wife and Maryam etc are bad examples, thus their view will contain a contradiction with The Quran.
And what about the Queen of Sheba? She didn't even have a "mahram".
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I agree that queen of sheba could be listed but it could be argued she "converted" later.
Yeah, I keep hearing that argument whenever discussing her. But I'm sure if God meant to tell us that a woman has to be married, can't go out without a chaperone, can't lead a nation, he would have made sure to attach a few more verses to that story.
The evidence is strong enough imho without this reference.
Agreed.
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Salaam,
Is it your usual tongue-in-cheek post, or are you asking me seriously?
am asking you seriously. please answer. also keep in mind that Prophet Muhammad's life is an example for the believers. so now how do you understand that verse. also keep in mind the last part of the verse "Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying."
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If those verses are not applicable to all believing women how then that information is of any use for us now? I would like to know your opinion. thanks
The same question you could ask about verses specifically dealing with Muhammad. Here is another way of thinking
The wifes of leaders are under different spot lights than other women. Being the wives of leaders they could be the target of their political enemies. So, to protect the mission of the leadership and vital public service from being tainted or hindered by rumors and false accusations, there is more responsibility on their wifes and the supporters of such leaders.
The wifes or husbands of people in public service should be more careful in their interaction with others; they have higher risk of being the subject of personal or sexual attacks, extortion, black mail, etc, the damage will not remain limited with them.
I hope this will help you a bit. I think you would agree with me that thinking on the verses of the Quran is better than following hadith books blindly.
Peace
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The same question you could ask about verses specifically dealing with Muhammad. Here is another way of thinking
The wifes of leaders are under different spot lights than other women. Being the wives of leaders they could be the target of their political enemies. So, to protect the mission of the leadership and vital public service from being tainted or hindered by rumors and false accusations, there is more responsibility on their wifes and the supporters of such leaders.
The wifes or husbands of people in public service should be more careful in their interaction with others; they have higher risk of being the subject of personal or sexual attacks, extortion, black mail, etc, the damage will not remain limited with them.
I hope this will help you a bit. I think you would agree with me that thinking on the verses of the Quran is better than following hadith books blindly.
Peace
so like the traditionalists you also believe that verse necessitates house imprisonment for the wives of prophet?
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peace RH, all,
so like the traditionalists you also believe that verse necessitates house imprisonment for the wives of prophet?
NB AQ = al quran
Thanks for bringing this up, as it resulted in a correction in Project Root List. The exact same word occurs in 1926 (previously incorrectly listed as 926), shown below
"So eat and drink and be QRR. If you see any human being, then say "I have declared a fast for the Almighty, and I will not talk today to any of mankind.""
As anyone can see, eating and drinking does not lead to staying in one place, unless we assume the author of AQ is implying Maryam ate and drank so much she could not move ;D
Not to mention any "stationary" understanding would be refuted in the very next verse in which Maryam is on the move.Duly, translators, both traditional and modern, use words such as "happy/gladdened/comforted/cool/consoled/contented" etc
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/19/26/default.htmFurther, we can often look to the imperfect form of the word to see what it means (I personally often use this tactic to aid my understanding) as the imperfect means an action in the process of being done or not done yet, so the contexts often yield helpful information. Thus, let us look to AQ once again
We returned thee to thy mother that she may QRR...
We returned him to his mother, that she might be QRR...
...it is likelier they will be QRR and not sorrow... (in the same chapter as the one in question)Also, when I studied women's dress code I was able to prove the other word in question (BRJ) meant "show off" not mere "display", see
http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm
This surprised me somewhat, but the logic of 2460 left no other possibility.Thus, when we combine the above, we have
And (you shall) be content/glad in your homes, and do not show off yourselves (as was) the olden/former (days of) ignorance...
And as stated before, we can reason that it does not simply mean appear outside the home, because if this was true, would conflict with other parts in AQ
http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/women-confined-to-houses.htm
Not to mention it would imply ignorance meant women being outside the home, when for many things it is essential, e.g. travel.Now that we have what is most likely using AQ's internal method, we can consider the rest of it. It is likely if a woman was married to a messenger/prophet of God, this would be a significantly envious position, thus some women may be tempted to brag/boast, i.e. show off what they have, even position as well as material wealth (if he was a successful merchant). Thus when it implies rather than engaging in negative/destructive practices, uphold/establish positive, hence "and uphold the SLW/bond and bring forth ZKW/betterment". And when it ends with God wishes to remove the RJS from you and THR/purify you, these words most commonly refer to removal of something bad and to purify mindset/nature/morals/character, something on the inside, not outside/physical. Thus, lessening a physical beauty/presence interpretation.
I also agree with Bro Edip's points.
As we can see it all fits into place perfectly.
As is often the case, a simple use of a systematic study method will often give us the answer, e.g. http//www.quran434.com/study-method.html
