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Why Prophet Mohammad (S), cannot be Rasool?

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    bkanwar2
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    Dear I know all these weights/patterns/Wazan. It is not the issue. Pl attend to my query.

    Dear Mazhar, please take few deep breaths. Think for few days and then relook. Your qurey has been addressed very well. Once more, word is made from root Ra-Siin-Lam in the measure of Verbal noun . Which is given as a measure of verbal noun, form #32 in Wright's book, with referance. Verbal nouns definition is given in the same book at page 110.

    Peace,

    Badar

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      Dear Mazhar, please take few deep breaths. Think for few days and then relook. Your qurey has been addressed very well. Once more, word is made from root Ra-Siin-Lam in the measure of Verbal noun . Which is given as a measure of verbal noun, form #32 in Wright's book, with referance. Verbal nouns definition is given in the same book at page 110.

      Peace,

      Badar

      Teachers call that student as stupid who shows himself to be superbly intelligent by passing judgments after just knowing elementary definition of something.
      About verbal noun you read this

      ?These all imply or refer to abstract substantives, which express the action, passion or state indicated by corresponding verbs, without any reference to object, subject or time". (Arabic Grammar, by William Wright 3rd revised Ed. Vol. 1 Page 110 Rem 195).

      You thought, decided this
      Word Rasool is deverbal noun, also called ?the nomina verbi?, or .

      This deverbal noun is on measure/ of , from root of

      And on this presumption you devised the theory

      Since the very definition of the word cannot include anything which implies or allude to, an object or subject or time. Hence, a humanbeing cannot fit this definition. However, timeless principles to make pacing in life easy, could fit this definition. Where are these principles, all around us? Additionally, also written/hidden in the book know as Quran.

      I was just trying to make you realize at your own the inbuilt stupidity in your thread by asking you to first find whether is or not.

      Nun de plume also tried to make you realize the fault in your theory which suggests on the basis of definition of Verbal noun that a humanbeing cannot fit this definition.

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        bkanwar2
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        Please, share your grammatical explanation of word . Believe me, I am here to learn and share learning, not just to put people down.

        Peace,

        Badar

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          Mazhar
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          What I had read was that is Noun from . Nowhere I have seen it referred as .

          The Nouns derived from on the pattern of are hyperbolic participle the one that enacts the base meaning intensively/extensively.

          This presumption does not stand when we see the use of word in Qur'aan

          Since the very definition of the word cannot include anything which implies or allude to, an object or subject or time. Hence, a humanbeing cannot fit this definition. However, timeless principles to make pacing in life easy, could fit this definition. Where are these principles, all around us? Additionally, also written/hidden in the book know as Quran.

          http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.94.gif
          And nothing prevented people that they believe/accept when the Guidance/Book of Allah came to them
          http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.94a.gif
          except that they said to people, "Has Allah appointed a human being as Messenger?"

          Chapter 17

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            Dear Mazhar, thanks for sharing your understanding. May Rabb increase us all, in knowledge.

            Peace,

            Badar

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              Mazhar
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              What is your conclusion now, please share.

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                bkanwar2
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                What is your conclusion now, please share.

                Dear Mazhar, conclusion about the word is already given above in my starting post.

                Other conclusion, current translations of Quran and hence understandings are far from real. This is due to lexical, semantic and grammatical shifts in the language. These are likely both unintentional, due natural phenomenon of change in language. An intentional component can not excluded when stakes are so high.

                For believers in Rabb, and the message it is imperative, to put collective efforts to restore the message in it's original form. This can be done with the help of preserved archives of language.

                Peace,

                Badar

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                  Mazhar
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                  Back to square 1. Alas "grammer therapy" did not work. May Allah help.

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                    Back to square 1. Alas "grammer therapy" did not work. May Allah help.

                    Dear Mazhar, I should leave it, as it is. But since there are people reading this thread, for their sake. I am going to address this. With the hope that you might understand as well. Although, I already know that, this just will remain my wish.

                    is a Musdari noun, formed at a Musdari Waazan of . It will become under Ajwaf/Naaqis verbs rules. When preceeding Harkaat is a fetha, Waw changes to Alif. If it is Dumma, it will remain as Waw. Like is the case in . In . Ta/ha is added as either female marker or sign of intensification. This is my last post in response to you, on this topic.

                    Peace,

                    Badar

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                      Dear Mazhar, I should leave it, as it is. But since there are people reading this thread, for their sake. I am going to address this. With the hope that you might understand as well. Although, I already know that, this just will remain my wish.

                      is a Musdari noun, formed at a Musdari Waazan of . It will become under Ajwaf/Naaqis verbs rules. When preceeding Harkaat is a fetha, Waw changes to Alif. If it is Dumma, it will remain as Waw. Like is the case in . In . Ta/ha is added as either female marker or sign of intensification. This is my last post in response to you, on this topic.

                      Peace,

                      Badar

                      Having seen this I have reprimanded myself not to have noticed earlier that I am debating on grammer issues with a gentleman who is not willing even to study the nursery class lessons of Arabic, yet gives ruling of a PhD in Arabic grammer. Sorry dear Badar; please go through elementary Arabic grammer books. We will revert to subject after couple of weeks when you confirm that you have gone through that.

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