why are vices like drinking, gambling not discouraged here?

Jack

Salam,

I have to go with the alcohol is permitted camp for some obvious analysis reasons

Nowhere does God forbid alcohol outright (see pig meat, blood, etc. for comparison).
God informs us that Salat is not to be approached while intoxiacted. This nullifies the haram argument in its infancy.
God tells us heaven will have rivers of alcohol as well as milk and honey. This again nullifies the haram argument as no pig or blood or any other haram elements are made available.
The verse used most to outlaw alcohol speaks of the devil and that he should be avoided (not the alcohol).
The ithm argument being presented is not valid as the verse clearly says fihima Ithm ( in them is Ithm) and not they are Ithm. Thus, alcohol in itself is not Ithm but may be used in a way that produces the Ithm (which is in-line with the previous point that the devil uses these tools against people).

Cleary alcohol is not haram and the only restriction found in the Quran is to avoid making Salat if intoxicated. Other than that, people shoudl be careful from alcohol in general as it is a tool (as well as gambling) that the devil uses to cause people to commit Ithm/wrong.

huruf

I think many people suffer from the schematised learning of the religion, haram, halal, and all that. AND i think also that that is not exactly what God wants us to do with the Qur'an. We are told repeatedly to use our minds. And it explains things. I think tht what the Qur'an wants us to do in this question as in many others is that we, consciously, take responsibility of our social and personal action. Alcohol is not something that affects a person exclusively, but that it is a social ill. The Qur'an, I think, wants us to reason and take conscientiously up the task of acting as responsible members of society, that we become conscious of the ills for individuals and society of things like drugs and gambling and, of cours act in consequence. It may not be enough that we obey without reflecting on the matter and understanding what we do. So it is up to us to take charge of not letting that society and individuals are eaten by such distressing evils. Is it haram? Tht is not the question. The question is whether we take up the charg of keeping society and individuals in good moral and physical health.

Salaam

RA786

So are we allowed to do Extra-marital Sexual Activity, Suspicion, Idol-worship, and Bear false witness?

please answer

huruf

By whom?

huruf

I mean "are we allowed by whom?

Mazhar

The things which can be consumed/eaten and drunk-things the bonds of which can be unknotted by the inbuilt system of human beings mostly comprises of two things; produce of Earth and meat. Broad and general principle laid down for permissible and non permissible is this
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And he, the Messenger declares for them permissible/lawful the things which are sanctified/decent and nutritious and declares non permissible/unlawful/restrained for them the things which are indecent and deficiently non-propitious;

And Alcohal/made from the produce of Earth has certainly not been included in Tayebaat.