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    wandering
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    I'm starting this thread to understand why so many people are adopting Only Quran. I have to be completely honest but Only Quran is relatively unknown and I stumbled across it.
    Where does "only Quran" stand? Are we what was at the birth of Islam or are we a movement that has grown due to the lack of fulfilment offered by mainstream Islam.
    Would be extremely useful if people posted religious affiliations. This may help more people stumbling across this forum more curious as to why we do what we do.

    Religious Affiliations Sunnism
    Atheism

    Background
    When it came to religion, everyone has to ask "why?". It's a part of the human psyche to question things on a level beyond our comprehension.
    Religion is there to fill the gaps and satisfy that need.
    Growing up, reciting the Quran was considered paramount but understanding was something not to be dabbled in. Whenever I did pose any questions, I would be rebuked and told to go on reading and that I was not smart enough to comprehend it's meaning.
    From what little I did understand, I found the book as extremely peaceful and soothing.
    The hadiths, on the other hand, were like a poison.
    Most of my family isn't really religious except for one.
    He would go about bashing people with hadiths and a holier than thou attitude. He would use this condescending tone when it came to religion. His attitude was disgusting at best. What i still find frightening to this day was how he celebrated 9-11 and declared it a great victory for Islam (the only time i've ever physically assaulted a person). After that incident, I stopped believing in my faith. For about 9 years, I believed that if god ever existed, he had failed humanity.
    Fast forward to may 20th 2010.
    The facebook page was a massacre of sorts. I felt an extreme disgust for the Muslims posting holocaust jokes. I hated how the Muslims came across as ignorant and unwillling discuss. Most would resort to threat of sodomy.
    On the other hand, hadiths were being launched from both sides. I kept reading hadith upon hadith of perversion. At this point, I was completely disillusioned with Islam, not because of the insulting hadith but because of the ignorance of my fellow muslims.
    During this crises of faith, I received a revelation. An atheist friend goes "there is no better hadith than the Quran why don't you follow it for a change?". I guess this was one of those born again moments but I felt it was more of a blessing from above )
    Studying the Quran brought me a little closer to myself and made me understand that god doesn't really care whether I pray or not, he only wants me to become a better person.

    Well this is my experience, I would love to hear from other people )

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      Wakas
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      I recommend reading up on history, e.g.
      http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        wandering
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        Thank you. Could you recommend any books on the subject?

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          Mazhar
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          Thank you. Could you recommend any books on the subject?

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/Quran%20azeem.gifhttp//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/Quran%20azeem.gif

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            Alen
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            Peace,
            Respect.

            You might wanna recreate the time of any messengers from the past. Try to recreate messenger Mohammad for example. He confirmed what these guys around him already knew. Messenger Moses had a tougher job, i'd say, he received the Commandments and had to emigrate with large mass of people.

            I mean, if you just put yourself in the position of those people back then, you might get a picture of how things went back then. I'd also suggest to compare Quran with the actions of today's so-called muslims who are not real muslims because they already have a new name - sunnis or sunni muslims or shia and so on.

            May God bless you and Guide you.
            Peace.

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              hope4
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              Selam Wandering

              I would try to answer your experiences/questions from a book I have read, which has left a positive influence on me. If you get a chance download it from http//www.aididsafar.com/pdf/Mental%20Bondage.pdf
              Must warn you its not everyones cup of tea. So you make your own mind up.

              Background
              When it came to religion, everyone has to ask "why?". It's a part of the human psyche to question things on a level beyond our comprehension.
              Religion is there to fill the gaps and satisfy that need.

              Since Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and all
              prophets could not bring anyone towards God - how is it
              then the pope, priests, scholars, ayatollahs, rabbis, monks,
              mullahs, are all claiming they can bring others toward God?
              Surely something must be wrong with their claim or
              something is not right with their followers - or people are
              simply deceived without their knowledge. However, the
              Reading gives the best advice to every man and woman to
              overcome this predicament

              You shall return to Him, observe Him, and uphold
              your commitments. Do not become idol-worshipers
              like those who change the way of life into
              ?religion?, each sectarian is happy with what they
              have. (3031-32)

              Follow those who do not ask from you any wage,
              they are guided. (3621)

              Religion is a false creation of men. Religion?s devotees
              are happy with what they practice. There are so many
              religions today but only one Creator. The fact is these
              religious torchbearers survive through various forms of
              income. The Reading is against such a system. (Aidid Safar, Mental Bondage)

              Growing up, reciting the Quran was considered paramount but understanding was something not to be dabbled in. Whenever I did pose any questions, I would be rebuked and told to go on reading and that I was not smart enough to comprehend it's meaning.
              From what little I did understand, I found the book as extremely peaceful and soothing.

              The first and fundamental rule in understanding the
              meanings of the Quran is the testimony of one word from
              the Quran itself. CONSISTENCY.

              ?Why do they not ponder over the Quran? Had it been
              from anyone other than God, they would surely find many
              contradictions therein? (482)

              In simple term the message of the Quran is consistent or
              inerrant. Any misunderstanding or inconsistency of
              interpreting the words is the results of humans? errors.
              When humans interptret a word or a verse of the book he or
              she must determine if the intepretation supports the
              meaning of similar words or verses in other parts of the
              Quran. If such an interpretation contradicts with each other
              ? then the interpretation is incorrect. (Aidid Safar, Mental Bondage)
              No court in the world accepts a plea of ignorance as
              vindication ignorance of the law is no excuse. By the same
              token, we cannot plead ignorance on the Day of Judgement
              or blame someone else for the wrong things that we have
              done. Nothing could be clearer than the statement in the
              Reading when it says

              So that you will not say on the Day of Judgement,
              ?Indeed we did not know about this.? (7172)

              Muslims on the whole ? and the modern Arabs in
              particular ? are grossly ignorant of God?s message in the
              Reading. They read without comprehension, believing that
              they gain merit for just chanting the Arabic verses aloud.
              They leave the understanding to the u?lema. On the whole,
              they are sincere and simple people who feel that they need
              to serve their Lord and lead a righteous life. They have been
              born into a suffocating inheritance of religion. While it is
              easy to empathise with this situation, we all have to take
              responsibility for what we do. We cannot blame our parents
              for our lot on Judgement Day.

              Or you may say, ?It was our parents who set up
              idols, and as descendants we followed their
              footsteps. Will You punish us because they
              strayed?? (7173)

              Today, people depend on the u?lema for guidance, but
              more often than not, the u?lema misguides them. By their
              deeds, and words we know that these u?lema are agents of
              the same wicked religionists who invented the Arab religion. We have seen how these fanatics twisted the meaning of the words deen, ?abd, and Sol-laa. They also
              twisted the word zakaa (so often mentioned with the word
              Sol-laa). (Aidid Safar, Mental Bondage)

              The hadiths, on the other hand, were like a poison.
              Most of my family isn't really religious except for one.
              He would go about bashing people with hadiths and a holier than thou attitude. He would use this condescending tone when it came to religion. His attitude was disgusting at best. What i still find frightening to this day was how he celebrated 9-11 and declared it a great victory for Islam (the only time i've ever physically assaulted a person).

              For sincere Muslims, the Reading clearly says

              Shall I seek other than God as a source of law when
              He revealed to you the Scripture fully detailed?
              Even those who receive the previous Scripture
              recognise that it came down from your Lord
              truthfully. Therefore you shall not harbour any
              doubt. (6114)
              The word of your Lord is complete in truth and
              justice. Nothing can abrogate His words. He is the
              hearer and the knower. (6115) If you follow the
              majority of people on earth - they will divert you
              from the path of God. They only follow conjecture -
              and they only guess (6116).

              After reading the above verses - try to pose a question to
              any rabbi or priest in the Arab religion - why do they need
              the extra Quranic laws in Islam? They will pick some verses
              from the Reading and quote it out of context like 'Obey God
              and obey the messenger' implying that Obeying God is to
              obey the Quran and obeying the messenger means to obey
              the sayings (hadith) of the prophet written by their imams
              who appeared more than 150 years after his death. These
              imams admitted they collected these sayings from sources
              who claimed they heard the stories from others. All the
              sharia laws in the Islamic countries are formulated from
              these extra Quranic writings and none of them can be found
              in the Quran. (Aidid Safar, Mental Bondage)

              After that incident, I stopped believing in my faith. For about 9 years, I believed that if god ever existed, he had failed humanity.

              Those who believe in God and His messenger are called
              to focus sincerely and consent to God?s prescribed way. The
              Last Prophet was made to declare

              Say, ?My Lord advocates justice. And be upright in
              your centre of attention by consenting fully, and
              invoke Him sincerely as a way of life (deen) the
              same way He created you that you may
              return.? (729)

              Whatever good happens to you is from God.
              Whatever bad happens to you are the consequences
              of your own deeds. (479)

              In other words, whilst a person is given the total freedom
              of choice in charting their way of life, God stresses the
              distinction between right and wrong, and there the golden
              rule applies God advocates only justice. (Aidid Safar, Mental Bondage)

              Fast forward to may 20th 2010.
              The facebook page was a massacre of sorts. I felt an extreme disgust for the Muslims posting holocaust jokes. I hated how the Muslims came across as ignorant and unwillling discuss. Most would resort to threat of sodomy.
              On the other hand, hadiths were being launched from both sides. I kept reading hadith upon hadith of perversion. At this point, I was completely disillusioned with Islam, not because of the insulting hadith but because of the ignorance of my fellow muslims.

              4911 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for
              they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other
              women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock
              one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the
              name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does
              not repent, then these are the transgressors.
              (The Message)

              During this crises of faith, I received a revelation. An atheist friend goes "there is no better hadith than the Quran why don't you follow it for a change?". I guess this was one of those born again moments but I felt it was more of a blessing from above
              Studying the Quran brought me a little closer to myself and made me understand that god doesn't really care whether I pray or not, he only wants me to become a better person.

              The message of the Reading
              The basic message of the Reading is to observe God the
              Lord of Universe by consent. It is to believe in the One God
              and the Last Day and to work righteousness; it is to fulfil
              one?s obligations by upholding the covenants one commits
              oneself to.
              In God?s consented decree (mas-jidil-lah) there are also
              God?s laws and God?s limits which are the sha?iral-lah and
              hududul-lah respectively.
              For example, in 53 God prescribes the limits of
              restrictions about food. He says, prohibited for us is the
              consumption of

              1. blood
              2. carrion
              3. the decaying meat
              4. food dedicated to other than God
              5. animals that die through violent death.
                The subject of food is among God?s consented decrees.
                He decreed that only five types of foods are sanctioned as
                prohibited. Those who consent themselves to the deen are
                required to focus on these sanctions.
                You shall focus towards the sanctions in the
                consented decree. Wherever you may be, you shall
                focus on it. Even those who received the previous
                Scripture recognise that this is the truth from their
                Lord. God is never unaware of what you do. (2144)
                God says He is aware of everything we do. He is not
                concerned with where we live or where we go. But
                wherever we are we must focus on the consented sanctions
                revealed by Him.
                Each time God instructs His servants to observe a certain
                set of commitments He indicates this by saying, ?these are
                the limits of God?. For example
                Divorce may be retracted twice. Thereafter, you
                shall allow them to stay in your home amicably if
                they so desire, or allow them to go amicably. You
                shall not take anything back you have given to them,
                unless the couple fears the violation of God?s limit
                (hududul-lah). If they fear the violations of God?s
                limit (hududul-lah) then they incur no sin if the wife
                forfeits anything voluntarily. These are God?s limits.
                You shall not transgress them. If anyone
                transgresses God?s limits (hududul-lah), then they
                are wicked. (2229)
                These are God?s prescribed limits for individuals to
                uphold in this domestic institution. The prescribed limits (or
                hududul-lah) are mentioned 14 times and they are confined
                to domestic issues. The religionists have abused the word
                hudud by introducing a set of barbaric laws of their own
                contrivance which they have named the hudud law.
                Naturally, it has nothing in common with sane and balanced
                Qur?anic injunctions.
                This is how they abuse God?s name. In the hudud law
                they invented ? which goes by the same name God chose
                for His limits ? they can stone people to death, annul
                marriages arbitrarily without hearing the parties involved,
                declare you an apostate measured against their Arab
                religion, incarcerate you for not professing the Arab
                religion, banish you from the state and confiscate your
                property. And this they do in the name of God!
                Here is another challenge to the u?lema priests. There is
                not a single hudud law in the Arab religion implemented by
                the so-called Islamic countries, which is derived from the
                Reading. Not one. Can you prove otherwise? If not then
                hang up your robes and do something more useful with your
                lives before it is too late.
                The Arabic tribal laws (which they call hudud laws)
                were not prescribed by God in the Reading. The true
                prescribed limits or hudud in the Reading are fair principles
                which are meant to be interpreted and applied by
                individuals without any religious elements. These are the
                facts. (Aidid Safar, Mental Bondage)

              Well this is my experience, I would love to hear from other people

              Hope the reply was useful. May Allah guide us on the right path.

              Peace

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