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Dogs Banned in Islam??

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    Alen
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    Peace,
    Respect.

    Savage_Carrot, Leyna, I think you should introduce your cats to each other.
    I mean, that way you'll make sure their DNA goes Celine Dion and it'll give you a chance to discuss one of these topics in person.
    Just a suggestion.

    Peace.

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      dalia
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      Thats called a Cat Alen ;D a husky is a 'real Dog'

      yes, thats called a cat Alen, btw i have cats, have 3 now

      Mine are both Maine Coon's. Excellent breed, huge like a small dog, very silky soft fur, good with kids and best of all...quiet companions. They'll follow you around sometimes, they want to sit in the same vicinity etc but don't ask for attention. Quiet voices too, can never hear them unless it's time for dinner or they've spotted a bird and start trilling...awesome mousers as well as a bonus.

      one of my cats is a Maine Coon also! although its not a pure breed , a mix between maine coon and persian. And yes, she is bigger than my other cats. when she was small she used to follow us around, cant even sleep if left alone, sometimes she will sleep in front of your face, as if acting like a guardian
      but now not so much, and she will go gaga if she sees a bird D

      maybe we should open new thread and talk about our pets and share some pictures as well

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        maybe we should open new thread and talk about our pets and share some pictures as well

        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11151.0

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          stan-b_
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          Isn't this akin to Jesus (pbuh) chewing out the pharisees because they placed the talmud over the Torah and placed the laws of men over the laws of God?

          I agree with your views. And dogs are some of the most intelligent animals on earth

          http//scienceray.com/biology/zoology/top-15-smartest-and-most-intelligent-animals/

          Below are some absurd or strange fabricated hadiths about dogs.

          Do not enter a house where there is a dog

          Book 1, Number 0227 Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib
          The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said Angels do not enter the house where there is a picture, or a dog, or a person who is sexually defiled.

          Dogs should be killed, Dogs should not be killed

          Book 16, Number 2840 Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
          The Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) ordered to kill dogs, and we were even killing a dog which a woman brought with her from the desert. Afterwards he forbade to kill them, saying Confine yourselves to the type which is black.

          Dogs can be used for hunting

          Book 16, Number 2850 Narrated AbuTha'labah al-Khushani
          The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said to me AbuTha'labah, eat what returns to you by your bow and your dog.
          Ibn Harb's version adds "The trained (dog), and your hand, then eat, whether it has been slaughtered or not slaughtered".

          The price paid for a dog is impure

          Book 23, Number 3414 Narrated Rafi' ibn Khadij
          The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said The earnings of a cupper are impure, the price paid for a dog is impure, and the hire paid to a prostitute is impure.

          The price paid for a dog is not accepted

          Book 23, Number 3421 Narrated AbuMas'ud
          The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) forbade the price paid for a dog, the hire paid to a prostitute, and the gift given to a soothsayer.

          The vessel a dog has used should be washed 7 times

          Book 002, Number 0548 Abu Huraira reported The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said
          When a dog drinks out of a vessel belonging to any one of you, he must wash it seven times.

          Animals and the voracious dog are harmful and should be killed in the state of ihram

          Book 007, Number 2718 A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported Allah'* Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying
          Five are the harmful things which should be killed in the state of Ihram or otherwise snake, speckled crow. rat. voracious dog, and kite.

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            stan-b_
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            Maine Coons are cool. My cat is a mutt. I have no idea what he is, but he is the FATTEST cat in town. Weighs 12+ lbs. Wanna get either a Ragdoll, or a Ragamuffin. Those guys are MONSTERS! And just for the record, I just adore black cats.

            yes, thats called a cat Alen, btw i have cats, have 3 now

            one of my cats is a Maine Coon also! although its not a pure breed , a mix between maine coon and persian. And yes, she is bigger than my other cats. when she was small she used to follow us around, cant even sleep if left alone, sometimes she will sleep in front of your face, as if acting like a guardian
            but now not so much, and she will go gaga if she sees a bird

            maybe we should open new thread and talk about our pets and share some pictures as well

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              Alen
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              Maine Coons are cool. My cat is a mutt. I have no idea what he is, but he is the FATTEST cat in town. Weighs 12+ lbs. Wanna get either a Ragdoll, or a Ragamuffin. Those guys are MONSTERS! And just for the record, I just adore black cats.
              yes, thats called a cat Alen, btw i have cats, have 3 now
              one of my cats is a Maine Coon also! although its not a pure breed , a mix between maine coon and persian. And yes, she is bigger than my other cats. when she was small she used to follow us around, cant even sleep if left alone, sometimes she will sleep in front of your face, as if acting like a guardian
              but now not so much, and she will go gaga if she sees a bird
              maybe we should open new thread and talk about our pets and share some pictures as well

              Peace,
              Respect.

              I had a neighbor once and she had like little over 20 cats. Man, her little apartments appeared to be alive and she was depressed ....maybe that's why.
              Anyway, you should definetely put up some photos of the cat.

              If anyone has a dog, please, don't be shy, love the photos.
              It's little boring these days, I'm surrounded with ....wrong crows ....

              Peace.

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                dalia
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                Maine Coons are cool. My cat is a mutt. I have no idea what he is, but he is the FATTEST cat in town. Weighs 12+ lbs. Wanna get either a Ragdoll, or a Ragamuffin. Those guys are MONSTERS! And just for the record, I just adore black cats.

                oooohh.... i want a ragdoll also! they are so big! feel like hugging them!
                stan-b, i love black cats also, use to have a black cat before, he was the most gentle cat that i know, will never jump at your table when ure eating, and when other cats are eating, he will let the others eat first, after that then he will eat, but he died already, so sad....

                and i love black dogs also! saw a black poodle at a pet store yesterday, it was so cuuuteee! feel like hugging it, but my dad was there, so no chance at all >(

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                  harris
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                  Great to see all the comments and animal lovers here... Its a pity we are a minority in the muslim community. I used to have a German Shepherd many years back... was a handsome fellow, sadly he died at a young age. Mom cried a lot. Never had a pet since then.

                  Salaam umzy01, I'm doing well thank you. I'd actually been off on a pilgrimage... Went for Umra to Mecca! Praise Allah, everything went on fine. Feel so peaceful and enlightened after the journey.

                  Can read about it on www.harris.blog.com

                  Peace sun

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                    Salaam umzy01, I'm doing well thank you. I'd actually been off on a pilgrimage... Went for Umra to Mecca! Praise Allah, everything went on fine. Feel so peaceful and enlightened after the journey.

                    Can read about it on www.harris.blog.com

                    Peace sun

                    If you are interested; here is an interesting thread about the reality of Kaaba

                    Who built the kaaba that is in Mecca?

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                      harris
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                      If you are interested; here is an interesting thread about the reality of Kaaba

                      Who built the kaaba that is in Mecca?

                      Salaam RasulHamsa,

                      Thank you for the comment. Yes, I've seen that thread but had paid no attention to all those mumblings. Most of the comments seemed to range from ignorant disbelievers to total jerks. One of them even had the audacity to say that 'he' built the kaabah.

                      Regarding who built the Kaabah, well I'm no historian, so I can only base my beliefs from that taught in the Holy Quran. And since it is clearly mentioned in The Book in multiple verses that Haj and Umra are decreed AND since THAT is the only place proclaimed by the Prophet for those pilgrimages, I see absolutely no reason to doubt the importance of the Kaabah.

                      Now regarding Jacob, Solomon not visiting Mecca, or why Abraham's connection with Mecca is not mentioned in the history of "others", well we in the 21st century are nobody to judge where they travelled based on some material available with the Jews and Christians that has been revised a zillion times anyways to match their whims and fancies.
                      The argument would be like proclaiming that Safa and Marwah hold no importance for pilgrims performing Haj or Umra. Why? Coz Hagar was never mentioned in the Holy Quran! Thus both Abraham and she may never have come to safa, marwah or mecca... ryt?

                      One can either believe in the whole Quran or nothing at all. It is when we believe in parts that the confusion arises.

                      Hope you will not be influenced by the thoughts of the disbelievers. May He guide us all in the straight path.

                      Khuda Hafiz.

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                        Hope you will not be influenced by the thoughts of the disbelievers

                        not at all! )

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                          yeah, on another forum that revolves around the city I live in someone posted something in the politics & religion forum about dogs in islam, I think the article from submission.org on the subject. Then I posted something supporting him, immediately I received an admonition in a private message from someone telling me I am doing "a disservice to islam" through the course of the conversation he showed me a hadith which says dog saliva is "najis" or something like that, can't remember the word...I responded with a general refutation of hadith, he immediately begged me to "think rationally"

                          the conversation continued I mentioned the Qu'ran is fully detailed/well distinguished. His brilliant response

                          Does the Qu'ran talk about dinosaurs? Fully detailed?
                          Does the Qu'ran talk about biology? Fully detailed?

                          After some more back and forth replies I blocked him...

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                            yeah, on another forum that revolves around the city I live in someone posted something in the politics & religion forum about dogs in islam, I think the article from submission.org on the subject. Then I posted something supporting him, immediately I received an admonition in a private message from someone telling me I am doing "a disservice to islam" through the course of the conversation he showed me a hadith which says dog saliva is "najis" or something like that, can't remember the word...I responded with a general refutation of hadith, he immediately begged me to "think rationally"
                            the conversation continued I mentioned the Qu'ran is fully detailed/well distinguished. His brilliant response
                            Does the Qu'ran talk about dinosaurs? Fully detailed?
                            Does the Qu'ran talk about biology? Fully detailed?
                            After some more back and forth replies I blocked him...

                            Peace,
                            Respect.

                            The Quran is FULLY DETAILED, just give 6114 as a shiled, God willing.
                            Now, when it comes to subjects like dinosaurs or how to make pasta or should we have dogs, then one must first go through The Quran and then see how the muslims lived before.

                            When it comes to dinosaurs - start digging.
                            When it comes to food - kitchen is that way, amigo.
                            When it comes to dogs - 1818.

                            Don't have to block him, give him The Quran, God willing.
                            Glory be to God.
                            Peace.

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                              Dogs was being banned in the 'Book Of Rumours" as legalized by sunni clerics due to some rumours narrated from a shady character named "FATHER OF THE CATS" (Abu Hurayrah)

                              Salam / Peace

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                                Alen
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                                Peace,
                                Respect.

                                I bet if a sunni was in some dark alley and a mugger appeared out of the darkness, he'd probably be very happy to see this friend
                                http//www.police.govt.nz/service/dogs/images/dog-large.jpg

                                I mean, who wouldn't, he can jump during an exercise, can you imagine what "wlfie" would do to a thief?
                                Glory be to God.

                                Peace.

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                                  harris
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                                  Salaam,

                                  That guy who was asking where in the Holy Quran does it talk about dinosaurs has an illogical question..... Coz "dinosaur" is just a term that we people in the modern age use. As far as the Creator is concerned, those lizards were just like every other creature that He has created and required no special mention... And anyways there are lotsa verses that mention the 'variety' in creation.

                                  We people on the other hand are just fascinated by them dinos coz their bodies are so huge, they're extinct and they also starred in Spielberg's Jurassic Park! yes

                                  Peace.

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                                    Alen
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                                    Salaam,
                                    We people on the other hand are just fascinated by them dinos coz their bodies are so huge, they're extinct and they also starred in Spielberg's Jurassic Park! yes
                                    Peace.

                                    Peace.
                                    Respect.

                                    Then what's this one doing here? &
                                    Maybe we can speed up growth of praying mantice or parrots....
                                    Just a thought.

                                    Peace.

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                                      Salaam,

                                      That guy who was asking where in the Holy Quran does it talk about dinosaurs has an illogical question..... Coz "dinosaur" is just a term that we people in the modern age use. As far as the Creator is concerned, those lizards were just like every other creature that He has created and required no special mention... And anyways there are lotsa verses that mention the 'variety' in creation.

                                      We people on the other hand are just fascinated by them dinos coz their bodies are so huge, they're extinct and they also starred in Spielberg's Jurassic Park! yes

                                      Peace.

                                      Basically he was trying to refute that the Qu'ran is fully detailed as in fully detailed about every single thing. It is fully detailed about salvation. You don't need to be a Biology Professor or a Paleontologist to get into heaven.

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                                        Peace,
                                        Respect.

                                        The Quran is FULLY DETAILED, just give 6114 as a shiled, God willing.
                                        Now, when it comes to subjects like dinosaurs or how to make pasta or should we have dogs, then one must first go through The Quran and then see how the muslims lived before.

                                        When it comes to dinosaurs - start digging.
                                        When it comes to food - kitchen is that way, amigo.
                                        When it comes to dogs - 1818.

                                        Don't have to block him, give him The Quran, God willing.
                                        Glory be to God.
                                        Peace.

                                        He has the Qu'ran, he even informed me he read the whole thing. Funny thing is he responded to one of my statements from the Qu'ran supporting the Qu'ran as the only source for law with "well I can show you many verses which say to follow/obey the messenger." I thought to myself, what is he implying with this reply? Is he implying that he rejects the verse that says it is fully detailed/well distinguished?

                                        Anyways, I and I'm sure all if not most of the people on this forum don't have any problem or issue at all with verses which say to follow/obey the messenger, because the messenger would never teach anything that contradicts the Qu'ran...including adding extra laws...that is why the verse which says he is the best example or something along those lines does not bother me either, because he very well knows more than anyone else that his wateen will be severed if he teaches anything else, either by example or through words

                                        and whenever he did do something contrary (he is not perfect) he was immediately rebuked, and his rebuke was made to be included in the Qu'ran...such as the time when he ignored the blind man who sought his guidance (surah 80) and when he gave permission to sit out from a fight to some people who were able either physically and/or financially to support a fighting expedition but did not want to fight

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