Ibn Kathir claims two salat and one during night prior to abrogation!
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Peace Wakas,
Have you bought the book by any chance?
I was just wondering whether it is discussed in that book the significance of the number 5 for daily ritual prayers?
I mean why 5; if I read from your linkThere were two ordained prayers prior to the Isra' journey. One before the rising of the sun at dawn and the other before sunset in the evening. Qiyam Al-Layl, prayer at night, was a command for the Prophet and his followers for sometime but it was later abrogated for the Ummah. Later, during the Isra' journey, Allah abrogated all of the previous orders for prayer by ordaining five daily prayers, including the prayers of Fajr before sunrise, and `Asr in the late afternoon
The abrogation quoted above may refer to the famous Muhammad+Musa vs. Allah bargaining episode.
But if there's a bit of information as to how the number 5 came up, it'd be interesting IMO.=adley=
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peace adley,
Yes, I have the book. The authors CH Becker and Uri Rubin discuss conflicting reports and timings, formalisation, incorporation of Friday meetings, attempted harmonisation etc.
As far as I recall I do not think they discuss much about "why 5", but they do mention a ton of conflicts with an eventual fixing of 5-ish.I just realised it is interesting in the traditional account of the night journey, they have Muhammad meeting Moses, considering The Quran likely refers to Moses in 171 going by context. Perhaps this is a remnant of the truth.
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The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
997Out of the whole Quran, thousands of verses, this is what you felt was so memorable you had to share it with everyone?
Are you aware that you have mistranslated that verse?
Are you aware that spreading around falsehoods of the Quran is an extreme sin?
446 From amongst the Jews there are those who take the words out of context, and they say, "We hear and disobey, and listen but let not any listen, and shepherd us," in a twisting of their tongues and as a mockery of the system! Had they said, "We hear and obey, and listen, and watch over us," it would have been better for them and more upright; but God has cursed them for their rejection, they do not acknowledge except very little.
316 And from the people, there are those who will purchase a
baseless narrative with which to mislead from the path of God
without knowledge, and to make it a mockery. These will have a
humiliating retribution.979 Those who slander such of the believers as give themselves freely to (deeds of) charity, as well as such as can find nothing to give except the fruits of their labour,- and throw ridicule on them,- God will throw back their ridicule on them and they shall have a grievous penalty.
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peace adley,
171 is briefly mentioned as the alleged backdrop to the fixing of 5 times. Variations are also discussed here (pdf file)
Western scholarship, on the other hand, has suggested three principal explanations for the fixation of five daily prayers
(1) the five daily prayers are the result of duplications of the evening prayer (into salt al-maghrib and salt al-ish ) and the midday prayer (into salt al-uhr and salt al-ar, cf. Houtsma, Iets, 127-34). This explanation is particularly reinforced by an Islamic tradition on the authority of Abdallh b. al-Abbs (d. 68687-, arguing in the opposite direction, namely that the Prophet himself combined several salts in Medina so as not to overburden his community (cf. Wensinck, salt, 9;
(2) the five daily salts were patterned on the binding duty of five daily prayers observed in Zoroastrianism (Goldziher, Islamisme, 246; cf. Boyce, Zoroastrians, 32-3);
(3) the five daily prayers were most likely chosen as a just median between the three services of the Jewish synagogue and the seven ?hours? observed by Christian monks (cf. Goitein, Prayer, 84-6). For the post qurnic developments, cf. Wensinck, salt, 98; Monnot, salt, 926-30.) -
duluk shams li ghasak layl quran fadjr
here 3 salat , duluk shams mens decline, ghassak layl means night, and fadjrTarafay nahar wa zulufan mna layl
You shall observe the Salat at the ends of the day, and close to the night ( = close , = close in plurial of the night )
Every times talks about 3 salats, we must just get the timing right
Why allah didn't say Aqueem salat in the fadjer than Dhohr than after that ASR than Maghrib than Isha ? if it was that important 5 salats? why there's no verse that say aqeem salat and speak of 5 times
there is always aqueem salat with 2 or three times mentioned , how< bizare when we see the verse of inheritance how detailed it is, or the verse of marriage , as for salay he always mentions 3 phrases , 3 times , we interpret as we wish, but it always 3 sentences -
two salat a day but salat is not like prayes,it is quran understanding training class,it is one meaning of salat ,wherever the word used salat with time meaning is quranic education class
