Quran alone interpreted according to whom?
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Is 'Quran alone' even possible? This implies everyone reads words on a page exactly the same way with the same meaning. Perhaps Quran along is actually the practice of each individual constructing their own compilation of Hadith from their own interpretations of Quran.
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Is 'Quran alone' even possible? This implies everyone reads words on a page exactly the same way with the same meaning. Perhaps Quran along is actually the practice of each individual constructing their own compilation of Hadith from their own interpretations of Quran.
The Prophet (pbuh) is commanded, throughout the Qur'aan, to FOLLOW the Qur'aan ALONE. Is it possible?
Peace,
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The Prophet (pbuh) is commanded, throughout the Qur'aan, to FOLLOW the Qur'aan ALONE. Is it possible?
Peace,
KhalilPeople are commanded, throughout the Qur'aan, to FOLLOW Allah and Messenger. Is it possible?
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People are commanded, throughout the Qur'aan, to FOLLOW Allah and Messenger. Is it possible?
When I read these conversations from my world view the source of the 'problem' occurs to me as the concept of Tawhid. My oneness of God and your oneness of God are different. This is exactly why sharia law rules Islam. No one in Islam knows God, he is unknowable other than he is God and he is one but everything else is probably some form of shirk. So yes I do think it is right to question whether - is it possible?
Tawhid. Who knew it could be so decisive. rotfl
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Is 'Quran alone' even possible? This implies everyone reads words on a page exactly the same way with the same meaning.
Are you serious? How/where did you come up with such an outlandish implication?
This is like saying Is God alone even possible? This implies that everyone views God exactly the same way...
Utter nonsense.To those who missed it, Rasulhamsa's reply was clearly tongue in cheek.  
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People are commanded, throughout the Qur'aan, to FOLLOW Allah and Messenger. Is it possible?
Rasul! You really seem to be frightened of the word Qur'aan. "FALLOW Allah" is an impossibility. Following the word of ALLAAH, i.e. the Qur'aan, is the way. The messenger Muhammad (pbuh) himself did not follow anything but the word of GOD / ALLAAH (SWT). In the Qur'aan ALLAAH (SWT) commands the MUSLIM community to follow the messenger because he was a living messenger at the time of revelation of the Qur'aan. After Muhammad's death how anyone can follow him. The only POSSIBLE way to follow a dead person is to die just the same and follow him / her to the grave!
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Peace Tamara
Aren?t we to follow what we understand and believe? Wouldn?t we be hypocrites otherwise? Possibly majority of people don?t even study and just take on board assumptions, thoughts and guesses... besides having our cultural baggage as influences on all that we do even think. So people try to unlearn and remove bias from themselves to try and purify their thoughts.
Are you asking can everyone who follows quran alone have the same conclusion in the end? If so, why not? It all depends on the approach. That?s the underling factor, if their approach is the same then more than likely they would read the words on a page the exact same way.
Wakas wrote an article on how to study quran, it?s quite good
http//www.quran434.com/study-method.htmlhow many people who actually study the quran can say they fulfil appropriate study techniques? Also variation in outcomes/implementation is not necessarily a detriment.
peace
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Is 'Quran alone' even possible? This implies everyone reads words on a page exactly the same way with the same meaning. Perhaps Quran along is actually the practice of each individual constructing their own compilation of Hadith from their own interpretations of Quran.
Is submission through the Qur'an possible? Let's take a look at the blessed Qur'an itself
'The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong).'
2185'Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is who has revealed to you this scripture, fully explained? Those whom we gave the scripture (before) know it is revealed from your lord in truth. So be not (Muhammad) of the waverers.
'Perfected is the Word of your Lord in truth and justice. There is nothing that can change his words. He is the Hearer, Knower'
6114-115"Qur'an alone" is not just possible, it is commanded in the Qur'an itself. The Qur'an is God's word; a guidance direct from our Lord perfect, complete, consistent, and with clear proofs. Not only that, none of these qualities apply to the Hadith or Sunnah, which are the writings of men, not the Lord of the worlds.
The "implication" that Quranists/Muslims all read the Qur'an in the same way is completely untrue, and to be frank, makes no sense. We don't look to the thousands of (unauthentic, contradictory, and even un-Islamic and vile) Hadiths and the Sunnah to tell us what our opinions on this, that or the other should be, and how we should move this way or that. We share knowledge and ideas, not submit unthinkingly to alleged scholars, Sheiks and Imams. We seek only Allah, The Beneficient, The Merciful, The Lord of the Worlds, The Creator.
Quranism is to open our hearts to the word of God, and the word of God alone, so that the truth may be revealed to us, through prayer, patience and contemplation.
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People are commanded, throughout the Qur'aan, to FOLLOW Allah and Messenger. Is it possible?
It is said that we must follow Allah and his messenger, not specifically the human named as such. Following the messenger can be carried out by following his message, we are not able to speak to the messenger at this present moment.
As for following Allah? Now most people give up here and think "what the hell". They then think that following Allah = following quran and that following rasool = following "sunnah". Now in my mind, this reeks of disbelief. You speak about Allah 24/7 and bleat his word and his supposed sayings without a thought but really, do you actually believe with certitude that "He" exists?
If so, then the answer is ever clear as to what following ALLAH is
- And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near; I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me, so they should answer My call and believe in Me that they may walk in the right way.
Do we have a better idea now as to what following ALLAH is? I do think so.
Is 'Quran alone' even possible? This implies everyone reads words on a page exactly the same way with the same meaning. Perhaps Quran along is actually the practice of each individual constructing their own compilation of Hadith from their own interpretations of Quran.
No two people ever really share the same interpretation of ANY book. Even in mathematics, a subject where there is zero room for misinterpretation, one can use different mental models to understand the core matter at hand. Using these different models still provide the same result.
This is purely because of the way our minds work; every word has a set of connotations and as different people have had different experiences, the mind map between words can be different even though on the outside, there is still a consistent language.
In any case, if quran alone is indeed "compiling our own ahadeeth", it's a good thing we have a few compilations that show us exactly how it should not be done. Praise to ALLAH.
"FALLOW Allah" is an impossibility.
Actually, it is the ONLY possibility.
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It is said that we must follow Allah and his messenger,
We do not "follow" Allah, we listen and wholeheartedly accept the word of Allah and His Messenger conveyed through His Book, Qur'aan; and thereby we follow the Messenger of Allah so long we follow/act in accordance with Qur'aan since he followed nothing but Qur'aan. Where is the impossibility?
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Is 'Quran alone' even possible? This implies everyone reads words on a page exactly the same way with the same meaning. Perhaps Quran along is actually the practice of each individual constructing their own compilation of Hadith from their own interpretations of Quran.
Congratulations Tamara you have indeed stumbled upon the mother of all questions. The answer to this very question will indeed determine your ultimate understanding of what is truly the religious phenomenon.
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Greetings of peace and blessings,
People are commanded, throughout the Qur'aan, to FOLLOW Allah and Messenger. Is it possible?
Please be patient and sincere in your research - in the past I was understanding like you too.
It is possible.
Obey God and Obey the Messenger
(http//www.scribd.com/doc/17476247/How-to-Obey-God-and-the-Messenger-according-to-Quran)
After I verified that there is a God, and then I verified that this Quran is from God. Then, here's a summary of what I currently understand from the Quran about this issue
- ?The Prophet? and ?Messenger? are two different words - not the same meaning. The Messenger is the state that the prophet is speaking God's message - perfectly - so God said Obey the Messenger. Now, see 661 - why does God use the word prophet there? Because that's what the prophet did, not the Messenger.
Now, the prophet is not here with us but the huge amount of contradicting "narrations" are ,
456 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe?
Even if he was with us - we had to use reason to understand, verify and choose to follow him if what he says goes with reason/logic and the natural laws of God we see in Nature - not because people call him a prophet or Muhammad - we need to be sincere/truthful to ourselves and God - far from just blindly following whatever's written in a book with its title "hadith". Even for a book with its title "Quran" - we still have to use logic to verify/understand a/our current interpretation/understanding of sets of verses logically with reason to be sincere. It's like when you study math, science - you don't just blindly believe it because the title of the book - you have to verify/understand then choose to accept logically.
1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for. - that is - be sincere in what you choose to do - not because we're inclined to it some way or got them from ancestors.
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Obeying God and obeying the Messenger is the same thing . We can only know what God says from the Messenger and the Messenger can only speak what God says (, ). - God preserved His message . Now, what does He say about "hadith"? See 7750, 7185, 316, 456, 3923, 5234, 6844 - see the arabic word "Hadith" in these verses. - The duty of the Messenger is ONLY to clearly deliver the Message , ,
, , . How to obey him? Obey what he ONLY does (only
delivers the Message). He warns with the Quran whomever it reaches (it reached us also) .
He reminds with the Quran to those who revere God?s promise . -
Therefore, the duty of explaining the Quran is NOT for the Messenger, it's for God. Some people might come to say "but the prophet said..." this and that - Can you sincerely verify that he said it? This one said that one said... So it's true? I want to worship God, not a man. I respect good men, but not worship/obey them. Who do you want to Worship? God?
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Then you should obey Him.
How to Obey God?
- Obey what he tells you.
How does he tell you?
- Through his Messenger.
Therefore, 480Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed God; and whoever turns away, We have not
sent you as a guardian over them.Therefore, "Obey God and obey the Messenger" = Obey God through his Messenger's Message.
NOT "Obey God and obey the hadith books about prophet Muhammad".By the way, there's so much you can find in the hadith books, everything you might want, probably the
book referred here
(See 6114, also.)6836What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6837 Or do you have another book which you study?
6838 In it, you can find what you wish?
The Quran is complete/fully detailed. But for some (many), it doesn't have what they like to see in it, so they go and see the Hadith books, they'll find just about anything they want - even though contradicting - they choose what they wish.
May God guide & forgive.
May God Guide
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Is 'Quran alone' even possible? This implies everyone reads words on a page exactly the same way with the same meaning. Perhaps Quran along is actually the practice of each individual constructing their own compilation of Hadith from their own interpretations of Quran.
The quran alone concept fails the quran because of quran 6159, 4238. Let alone the following verses http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/religion-science-reason-compatible.htm
Own compilation of hadith? Own compilation of hearsay? I think we enough news reporters in this forum who basically fail quran 496. Of course, it's hard to submit... easy to believe but quran 4913 says what it says.
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Hello
If Quran alone=God alone, then I am a Quaranist
If Quran alone=Only the book of Quran, then I am not a Quaranist. We need to find inspiration and guidance other than our own personal experiences. We cannot solely rely on our own mind. In my opinion, the traditionalists take the easy way out and use hadith. That way they don't need to find the deeper meaning and they do not need to adapt to the evolution of mankind. They do not need to find a way how to make Islam really compatible with christianity or judaism or even buddhism.
I want to find inspiration from every aspect of life, I want to sit down with a catholic priest and talk about how he understands things. I want to evolve, I want to move forward, not be stuck in a society 1200 years old.BTW I found a description while surfing of what Quran alone means; "The Koranist believe only the Koran should speak for Islam." Found it on some iranian website....I kinda like it...
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Peace to all,
Personally, I did reflect with a brother in Paris on this question and I reached the conclusion I'm going to share with you
People of the Qur'an need an accepted and recognized authority who speaks in the name of God. One to whom God brings the correct understanding in what we are divided ( different understandings,...).
At the time of prophet Muhammad, they had their messenger. Today, I think we need this autority. Otherwise, each one will follow his own understanding. Tamara raised "THE" question, and she did well.
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peace Kamzo,
People of the Qur'an need an accepted and recognized authority who speaks in the name of God. One to whom God brings the correct understanding in what we are divided ( different understandings,...).
At the time of prophet Muhammad, they had their messenger. Today, I think we need this autority. Otherwise, each one will follow his own understanding. Tamara raised "THE" question, and she did well.
Tamara and others may have raised this question, but it seems to suffer from a fatal flaw, i.e. what it implies that is needed has no basis in The Quran.
Unless it can be proven otherwise? If so, please share.
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Peace to all,
Personally, I did reflect with a brother in Paris on this question and I reached the conclusion I'm going to share with you
People of the Qur'an need an accepted and recognized authority who speaks in the name of God. One to whom God brings the correct understanding in what we are divided ( different understandings,...).
At the time of prophet Muhammad, they had their messenger. Today, I think we need this autority. Otherwise, each one will follow his own understanding. Tamara raised "THE" question, and she did well.
Well we could have Osama bin Laden as 'authority' as some do, or whoever the latest Taliban leader is, or the Ayatollah or leaders of other 'muslim' countries, or Bukhari hadith, but who decides whether God has given them the correct understanding? Seems to imply we still need yet another 'messenger' if we have the book and still fail to be guided by it.
