إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِين
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Too much emphasis on grammar in understanding Quran is not a wise thing at all, it can misguide.
What is grammar?
"the system of rules by which words are formed and put together to make sentences". The language spoken by natives follows these rules whether or not someone knows it. Non native will exactly follow that pattern only if he knows grammer and morphology of that language. Not knowing it he is bound to be misled.
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For instance, the English language was being spoken for a long time before someone sat down to lay down the rules of the English language.
He did not lay down the rules in the sense of new creation, but he found out those already existing set of rules evident in the speech and compiled for the convenience of non natives.
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Alone Grammar can lead us no where, we have to take in accout, the customs the traditions, and the cirumstances of that time, these words were revealed.
Mazhar
The language spoken by natives follows these rules whether or not someone knows it
I am sure in case of arabic you know that the Grammar rules were lay down much latter.
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Alone Grammar can lead us no where, we have to take in accout, the customs the traditions, and the cirumstances of that time, these words were revealed.
Mazhar
I am sure in case of arabic you know that the Grammar rules were lay down much latter.While reading any book of any language no one ever suggested that to read and understand it you have to take in account the customs and traditions of the time book was written. Why a different approach be adopted with The Book, unless someone have ulterior motives to give a colour of his choice?
Not Arabic but grammer of all languages is written much after people had been speaking that language. No body laid down the rules, they merely observed existence of those rules in the language and put it in black and white. This is exactly in the manner that a scientists observes a phenomenon that already exists and he puts it down as "rule". -
Mazhar
While reading any book of any language no one ever suggested that to read and understand it you have to take in account the customs and traditions of the time book was written. Why a different approach be adopted with The Book, unless someone have ulterior motives to give a colour of his choice?
Whenever there is a discovery of an old writing or inscription, they take in to account all those things, and not only grammar, sorry.
The Quran is a different Book alltogather. What is the word Issa meant for in Quran? can you tell me from Grammar, to take a single example out of many?
with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.
Qur'an 1644
So it is need for Muhammad to explain the Quran to its readers, Muhammad peace is upon him was no Grammarian! -
Mazhar
You tend to miss the basic points. Grammer is not for natives, it helps non-natives to understand the basic contents of the written material of other language
Correct. That is what I am saying. There are lot of Quranic words for me which cannot be understood just by the help of Grammar, as most of the Quranists (so called) try to do, for that we have to refer to the Natives, their customs, their traditions, their usage of words,
for example,
here you can see an article by Dr.ayman regarding Ramazan, based on grammatical approach and find it for yourself how it contradicts with the natives. -
Correct. That is what I am saying. There are lot of Quranic words for me which cannot be understood just by the help of Grammar, as most of the Quranists (so called) try to do, for that we have to refer to the Natives, their customs, their traditions, their usage of words,
Please take a little trouble atleast to know what the word "grammer" denotes and then read your above observation.
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Grammer is not for natives, it helps non-natives to understand the basic contents of the written material of other language.
So..
It misleads, in case of Quran, if you depend only on Grammar. When the Quran was revealed there were no Grammar rules, Grammar rules were defined may be by keeping Quranic words in mind, and not other way around.
Quran was not revealed as a book, it was revealed word to word sentence by sentence on different and specific situations, and Pophet explained it to native speakers.You have not answered me what is Isaa?
I am non-native and I want to know, what is Issa, and who is Mariam?
Who is Muhammad, mentioned in Quran? -
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It misleads, in case of Quran, if you depend only on Grammar. When the Quran was revealed there were no Grammar rules, Grammar rules were defined may be by keeping Quranic words in mind, and not other way around.
You have not answered me what is Isaa?
I am non-native and through help of Grammar I want to know, what is Issa, and who is Mariam?
Who is Muhammad, mentioned in Quran?The first part is repetition.
The second part is reiterated even without knowing what grammer means, though I asked you
Please take a little trouble atleast to know what the word "grammer" denotes and then read your above observation
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Mazhar,
You are just not understanding a simple point, and instead asking me silly questions?
It is unrealistic to expect and futile to prove that grammar is a perfect science, for example Diacritical marks and vowels were a later addition to the Quran and there is no way to prove that these were applied correctly,I will repeat what you fail to understand or even after understanding are not willing to understand that it is very important to study Quranic grammar, but its utility is limited. -
for example Diacritical marks and vowels were a later addition to the Quran and there is no way to prove that these were applied correctly
Such observations are made by those foolish scholars who even do not know the first fact about Arabic language that it is a language of syllables, and its smallest syllable comprises of a consonant and a vowel represented by diacritic marks.
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In Arabic script only consonants can be written with it, vowels are omitted. Furthermore, when the Qur'an was codified a script was used in which several consonants shared the same signs. Only 17 signs were used to write 28 consonants. Just 7 signs in this alphabet, called rasm, are unequivocal. About a century after the first compilation of the Qur'an the various consonants were distinguished by adding 'diacritical dots'. From that moment on the five consonants for example that were written with a 'hook' b, t, th, n en y could be distinguished. Eventually, three centuries later, after some experimenting with systems for the notation of vowels, the vowels were also added.
Richard Kroes