إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِين
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Mazhar
You tend to miss the basic points. Grammer is not for natives, it helps non-natives to understand the basic contents of the written material of other language
Correct. That is what I am saying. There are lot of Quranic words for me which cannot be understood just by the help of Grammar, as most of the Quranists (so called) try to do, for that we have to refer to the Natives, their customs, their traditions, their usage of words,
for example,
here you can see an article by Dr.ayman regarding Ramazan, based on grammatical approach and find it for yourself how it contradicts with the natives. -
Correct. That is what I am saying. There are lot of Quranic words for me which cannot be understood just by the help of Grammar, as most of the Quranists (so called) try to do, for that we have to refer to the Natives, their customs, their traditions, their usage of words,
Please take a little trouble atleast to know what the word "grammer" denotes and then read your above observation.
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Grammer is not for natives, it helps non-natives to understand the basic contents of the written material of other language.
So..
It misleads, in case of Quran, if you depend only on Grammar. When the Quran was revealed there were no Grammar rules, Grammar rules were defined may be by keeping Quranic words in mind, and not other way around.
Quran was not revealed as a book, it was revealed word to word sentence by sentence on different and specific situations, and Pophet explained it to native speakers.You have not answered me what is Isaa?
I am non-native and I want to know, what is Issa, and who is Mariam?
Who is Muhammad, mentioned in Quran? -
So..
It misleads, in case of Quran, if you depend only on Grammar. When the Quran was revealed there were no Grammar rules, Grammar rules were defined may be by keeping Quranic words in mind, and not other way around.
You have not answered me what is Isaa?
I am non-native and through help of Grammar I want to know, what is Issa, and who is Mariam?
Who is Muhammad, mentioned in Quran?The first part is repetition.
The second part is reiterated even without knowing what grammer means, though I asked you
Please take a little trouble atleast to know what the word "grammer" denotes and then read your above observation
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Mazhar,
You are just not understanding a simple point, and instead asking me silly questions?
It is unrealistic to expect and futile to prove that grammar is a perfect science, for example Diacritical marks and vowels were a later addition to the Quran and there is no way to prove that these were applied correctly,I will repeat what you fail to understand or even after understanding are not willing to understand that it is very important to study Quranic grammar, but its utility is limited. -
for example Diacritical marks and vowels were a later addition to the Quran and there is no way to prove that these were applied correctly
Such observations are made by those foolish scholars who even do not know the first fact about Arabic language that it is a language of syllables, and its smallest syllable comprises of a consonant and a vowel represented by diacritic marks.
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In Arabic script only consonants can be written with it, vowels are omitted. Furthermore, when the Qur'an was codified a script was used in which several consonants shared the same signs. Only 17 signs were used to write 28 consonants. Just 7 signs in this alphabet, called rasm, are unequivocal. About a century after the first compilation of the Qur'an the various consonants were distinguished by adding 'diacritical dots'. From that moment on the five consonants for example that were written with a 'hook' b, t, th, n en y could be distinguished. Eventually, three centuries later, after some experimenting with systems for the notation of vowels, the vowels were also added.
Richard Kroes