adhan or azaan how to do it properly?
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when "we" is used in speech, it is not allah who is speeking directly, it is other entities who are communicating on HIS behalf.
However in 20-12, you can see yourself that first person is being used with "I" Which is Allah speeking directly to Mosses.
peace
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and/while We loudly called him that hold on O Iebra'heimSurat As-Safaat-37
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And We called him by the right side of mount At-Tur and We had brought him nearer reclusively.In 2012, that is the quote what was said after having called him.
The individuality/distinction of Musa alahissalm with regard to speaking directly is qualified by a word descriing the manner of talk/verb . It was in the manner of a conversation.
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Mazhar
this Paradise has been made for the abode of those who believed in Allah and His Messengers.
Surat Al Hadid-57
Oh! Mazhar don't you have any sympathy with those who are irritated by listening Muhammad Peace is upon him's name five times a day.
I want to hear the this name "Muhammad" All day long, as this is the name chosen by Allah for his beloved.
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this Paradise has been made for the abode of those who believed in Allah and His Messengers.Surat Al Hadid-57
so those that do good deeds and praise a creator but know nothing about any messengers are all going to hell?
The people of Abraham, Jesus, Moses etc who didnt know Muhammed are all going to hell?
Only a portion of 'Muslims' born in the last 1400 years are granted paradise?
There is a bit more to it than this part of a verse Mazhar. This is very much like the Christians saying just belief in Jesus grants you a free pass, no matter what 'deeds' you do.
Verse 5718 names people who will have a great reward, doesnt that mean a plot in this paradise? verse 19 says the baddies are those that deny 'our verses', not those who have never heard them.
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so those that do good deeds and praise a creator but know nothing about any messengers are all going to hell?
The people of Abraham, Jesus, Moses etc who didnt know Muhammed are all going to hell?
Only a portion of 'Muslims' born in the last 1400 years are granted paradise?
There is a bit more to it than this part of a verse Mazhar. This is very much like the Christians saying just belief in Jesus grants you a free pass, no matter what 'deeds' you do.
Verse 5718 names people who will have a great reward, doesnt that mean a plot in this paradise? verse 19 says the baddies are those that deny 'our verses', not those who have never heard them.
The problem is that when we read Qur'aan we naively forget the concept of time and space, and particularly when there is a talk about the Last Messenger . The word used in the quoted Ayat is plural, the Messengers. When Easa alahissalm came, it was mandatory to believe in him, those of Bani Israel who believed in him were Muslims afresh and those of the same nation who refused to accept him the Messenger alahissalam, they were declared Kaafir and you perhaps know hell is prepared for Kaafir, and remember Kafir is an active participle, who deliberately and knowingly does the act of this word.
He told orally as well in writing in the Book of Allah about the Messenger to arrive after him. Now if they do not believe in him knowingly and defiantly what makes you to think such one could go to paradise in the presence of the fact that Paradise is prepared/raised/developed/made only for those who believe in Allah and all His Messengers?
Believing in Allah and all the Messengers is the basic/prequalification/prerequisite to become entitled to take part in the race for Paradise, everything else/deeds comes after this. Acceptance with inclination of mind and heart is at any given point in time, and rest are subject to the availability of time/life duration to the person who accepted this belief. That is why acceptance/believing at the last moment of one's life is not accepted and considered acceptance since no time is left for him to prove and demonstrate to people that he had consciously and willfully accepted/believed. -
The people of Abraham, Jesus, Moses etc who didnt know Muhammed are all going to hell?
Only a portion of 'Muslims' born in the last 1400 years are granted paradise?
Only if the translation would have been read, of the above verse by Mazhar, Did he said so?
this Paradise has been made for the abode of those who believed in Allah and His Messengers.
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The problem is that when we read Qur'aan we naively forget the concept of time and space, and particularly when there is a talk about the Last Messenger . The word used in the quoted Ayat is plural, the Messengers. When Easa alahissalm came, it was mandatory to believe in him, those of Bani Israel who believed in him were Muslims afresh and those of the same nation who refused to accept him the Messenger alahissalam, they were declared Kaafir and you perhaps know hell is prepared for Kaafir, and remember Kafir is an active participle, who deliberately and knowingly does the act of this word.
He told orally as well in writing in the Book of Allah about the Messenger to arrive after him. Now if they do not believe in him knowingly and defiantly what makes you to think such one could go to paradise in the presence of the fact that Paradise is prepared/raised/developed/made only for those who believe in Allah and all His Messengers?
Believing in Allah and all the Messengers is the basic/prequalification/prerequisite to become entitled to take part in the race for Paradise, everything else/deeds comes after this. Acceptance with inclination of mind and heart is at any given point in time, and rest are subject to the availability of time/life duration to the person who accepted this belief. That is why acceptance/believing at the last moment of one's life is not accepted and considered acceptance since no time is left for him to prove and demonstrate to people that he had consciously and willfully accepted/believed.http//il.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRB-ptc81U
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Some people add while doing a good thing such things which also pleases Satan. These singers have also conveniently forgot the element of time and space and sequence.
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O you who orally declare to have accepted!
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Incline yourselves to believe and trust in Allah and His Messenger
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and in the Book, the one which He has since gradually sent to His Messenger
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and in the one Book, which He had sent before this
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then for this reason indeed he perished/lost himself to the far destructive end of neglectfulness.An-Nis
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so those that do good deeds and praise a creator but know nothing about any messengers are all going to hell?
The people of Abraham, Jesus, Moses etc who didnt know Muhammed are all going to hell?
Only a portion of 'Muslims' born in the last 1400 years are granted paradise?
There is a bit more to it than this part of a verse Mazhar. This is very much like the Christians saying just belief in Jesus grants you a free pass, no matter what 'deeds' you do.
Verse 5718 names people who will have a great reward, doesnt that mean a plot in this paradise? verse 19 says the baddies are those that deny 'our verses', not those who have never heard them.
The problem is that when we read Qur'aan we naively forget the concept of time and space, and particularly when there is a talk about the Last Messenger .
You might but dont assume we all do.The word used in the quoted Ayat is plural, the Messengers. When Easa alahissalm came, it was mandatory to believe in him, those of Bani Israel who believed in him were Muslims afresh and those of the same nation who refused to accept him the Messenger alahissalam, they were declared Kaafir and you perhaps know hell is prepared for Kaafir, and remember Kafir is an active participle, who deliberately and knowingly does the act of this word.
So when Allah says 2.62 "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." he means they are off to hell for not believing in Muhammed but they wont worry about it? There are other verses like this. This word being plural also means that those before Muhammed's time who followed Jesus or Moses didnt know or accept the plural messengers and it seems to be your decision that they are exempt from this because he wasnt here yet, there is nothing to back that up.
There are Jews and Christians NOW who follow their scriptures and word righteous deeds but they dont believe in Muhammed as a prophet, so according to your one verse they are off to hell and are kafir but according to other verses they are not, which is right?
He told orally as well in writing in the Book of Allah about the Messenger to arrive after him. Now if they do not believe in him knowingly and defiantly what makes you to think such one could go to paradise in the presence of the fact that Paradise is prepared/raised/developed/made only for those who believe in Allah and all His Messengers?
I think nothing Mazhar, I know its not my place to decide who gets in or not, thats up to God, but it doesnt seem logical that the Most Merciful who says those who follow the Jewish scripture and the Christians etc and work righteous deeds will not grieve while he's apparently planning thier trip to hell for not believing in Muhammed. The Jews believe in a messenger after moses, they are still waiting for him as they dont believe it was Jesus or Muhammed, but they believe in the messenger written in their books, how do they stand then, one leg in hell the other in heaven?Believing in Allah and all the Messengers is the basic/prequalification/prerequisite to become entitled to take part in the race for Paradise, everything else/deeds comes after this. Acceptance with inclination of mind and heart is at any given point in time, and rest are subject to the availability of time/life duration to the person who accepted this belief. That is why acceptance/believing at the last moment of one's life is not accepted and considered acceptance since no time is left for him to prove and demonstrate to people that he had consciously and willfully accepted/believed.
so its about proving to other people now?
You still have not answered my first question. In time and space on this planet there are and have been nations and tribes that literally worship a creator based on what they see, I have said this before and it was also ignored then. They know no 'God' or 'Allah' but they know there is a Creator, a higher power, they know no messengers of God but they live with and from nature. Where do they stand? Limbo?
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So when Allah says 2.62 "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." he means they are off to hell for not believing in Muhammed but they wont worry about it? There are other verses like this. This word being plural also means that those before Muhammed's time who followed Jesus or Moses didnt know or accept the plural messengers and it seems to be your decision that they are exempt from this because he wasnt here yet, there is nothing to back that up.
There are Jews and Christians NOW who follow their scriptures and word righteous deeds but they dont believe in Muhammed as a prophet, so according to your one verse they are off to hell and are kafir but according to other verses they are not, which is right?
The translation is not conveying what is written in the Qur'aan. Read yourself the Arabic text and let me know whether it is about the time and space of past or the present tense as you have put it here?
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Brother mazhar
salamHow do you explain this ,
5-69 Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve
2-62 Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
There are no messengers mentioned here
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And We called him by the right side of mount At-Tur and We had brought him nearer reclusively.In 2012, that is the quote what was said after having called him.
The individuality/distinction of Musa alahissalm with regard to speaking directly is qualified by a word descriing the manner of talk/verb . It was in the manner of a conversation.
who are the ones in "We" ? let me re emphsize, "when we is used in speech, it is not allah who is speeking directly, it is other entities who are communicating on HIS behalf"
can you show some other place in quran where first person, "I" is used other than this aya 20-12 when Allah spoke to Moses directly.
siki
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@Leyna, (i wasn't pointing my every word specifically to you actually) )
Oh ok. peace
are you sure? their stories are there in AQ for us to understand islam better.
No, I just said this is how it is for me. For some people, following the example of a prophet can be the right thing, others prefer a more direct contact with God. It's an individual thing, I guess.
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For some people, following the example of a prophet can be the right thing, others prefer a more direct contact with God. It's an individual thing, I guess.
not wanting to fuss about it, but i also wish to "feel it" more often, then i thought the only way to advance or, have "it" everflowing, is... well, to follow some of the braver examples, e.g., taking a move, a stance in the public etc... it's kind of frightening for myself but i think it's inevitable for anyone who wishes to advance -- part of the test, i guess
oh this is offtopic already..
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who are the ones in "We" ? let me re emphsize, "when we is used in speech, it is not allah who is speeking directly, it is other entities who are communicating on HIS behalf"
It is accepted that Qur'aan is not written/authored by "entities" who according to you called Musa and Ibrahim alahimssalam. But is the Kalam of Allah. But you are suggesting other way round since the suffixed first person plural pronoun ""-meaning is the one who is addressing. We means we and not they, the various entities.
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It is accepted that Qur'aan is not written/authored by "entities" who according to you called Musa and Ibrahim alahimssalam. But is the Kalam of Allah. But you are suggesting other way round since the suffixed first person plural pronoun ""-meaning is the one who is addressing. We means we and not they, the various entities.
who is this we?
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First person plural pronoun is also used for singular first person. There are perhaps few threads on which this issue has been discussed.
So, you also think that Allah would use Royal "WE "for himself like human kings/Monarchs instead of I ?
Do you have any idea when and why this royal we started? ;D I guess Allah had to learn a few things from Queen Victoria.I can understand if a young learner on this forum has this perception, but hearing this from an experienced Quran translator, is utterly disappointing.
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Why and what makes to draw this inference, when one does not declare this to be wrong
Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 123529 PMim not sure what you mean here |
When you say to me that "I believe in Allah" it does not in iteself mean that you do not believei in all of His Messengers. But neither can I infer from this statement that you really believe in all the Messengers. But when I say to you that I believe in Alllah and Muhammad s.a.s, you will know that I believe in Allah and all his Messengers since mentioning the Last Messenger you will infer that I believe in all the Messengers earlier than him which includes those whose names are not known to anybody.
yes but this instance of mentioning Muhammad would be to stop confusion amongst 1 person to another and even in such a case, saying you believe in allah is sufficient. realistically you would mention that you are a muslim in which case mentioning the prophet beside god would be unnecessary.
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So, you also think that Allah would use Royal "WE "for himself like human kings/Monarchs instead of I ?
Do you have any idea when and why this royal we started? ;D I guess Allah had to learn a few things from Queen Victoria.I can understand if a young learner on this forum has this perception, but hearing this from an experienced Quran translator, is utterly disappointing.
siki
First person plural pronoun is also used for singular first person. There are perhaps few threads on which this issue has been discussed.
And do you know, in Arabic first person plural noun is also used for first person dual ?