adhan or azaan how to do it properly?
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Evvery Messenger first introduces to people as being the Messenger of Allah. Later he produces the evidence. First is the person to be believed, if one has doubt, he may ask for evidence.
and how is anyone going to accept someone claiming to be a messenger without giving the message they are to be messenger of?Musa and Haroon alaimissalm visit Firaun and his elite and introduce themselves as Messengers of Allah without producing any book or unprecedented sign. And when he did not accept them as Messenger of Sustainer Lord of the worlds and threatened to be jailed, response was that will you not believe even I produce the signs.
And please go through the entire Qur'aan, all Messengers first introduced themselves as Messengers of Allah and asked them to believe solely in Allah "and follow me".
but there is nothing in Quran until chapter 7 where Muhammed states he is the messenger, you are working on assumptions. The first words were 'read/recite', not 'I am the messenger of Allah'From where you got red marked observation? He was the first to believe and accept what was revealed to him.
Didnt he have to be told by his wifes cousin? he thought he was crazy THEN he believed. he didnt tell anyone else for a while. He of course was the first to believe in the message as he was the one getting it but he couldnt believe without the words given him could he? he didnt wake up one day believing he was the messenger of Allah and THEN get the message, the words came first, belief in the Message came before belief in the messenger, no message no messenger.
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Didnt he have to be told by his wifes cousin? he thought he was crazy THEN he believed. he didnt tell anyone else for a while. He of course was the first to believe in the message as he was the one getting it but he couldnt believe without the words given him could he? he didnt wake up one day believing he was the messenger of Allah and THEN get the message, the words came first, belief in the Message came before belief in the messenger, no message no messenger.
Surprised? A free-minder using gossip material as argument.
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Noah said ; Indeed I am for you people the trusted Messenger.
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For this reason you people be mindful/cautious of Allah and listen and accept my word.Others said the same in same words-keep reading
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Evvery Messenger first introduces to people as being the Messenger of Allah. Later he produces the evidence. First is the person to be believed, if one has doubt, he may ask for evidence.
Musa and Haroon alaimissalm visit Firaun and his elite and introduce themselves as Messengers of Allah without producing any book or unprecedented sign. And when he did not accept them as Messenger of Sustainer Lord of the worlds and threatened to be jailed, response was that will you not believe even I produce the signs.
And please go through the entire Qur'aan, all Messengers first introduced themselves as Messengers of Allah and asked them to believe solely in Allah "and follow me".
From where you got red marked observation? He was the first to believe and accept what was revealed to him.
Peace Mazhar,
I want to attract your attention to the fact that Mosa was raised by the wife of Pharao, so Pharao used to know Mosa before this one announces that his is a messenger, he was not a foreigner.
Messengers don?t just fall down from the sky, they are raised in communities and are sent to their own people, to educate them and to make them aware of the consequences of their actions, either good or bad.
Generally, people see messengers as some super-humans although nothing from the quran suggests this. To the contrary, the quran says that they were only humans like us. They were surely wise and altruistic humans, they chose to spread the knowledge they have received among the people to help them, not to keep it and abuse their ignorance.
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Yes! that is what I also noticed and have pointed out to various, forum members, it all starts by uneasiness mantion of Prophet Muhammad peace is upon him. Well said.
It is like a finger pointing toward the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory. - Bruce Lee
Muhammed aka Ahmed as all messengers were pointing to the message so we don't miss The God. It looks like you and Mazahar are concentrating on the finger too much and missing all that heavenly glory (The God).
PEACE
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If God wanted us to do azaan a certain way, surely He would've specified. But clearly God did not.
How you want to call people to prayer, that's up to you. Now, if find something that you have been doing bothersome then the question is if it is coming from God or if it is coming from satan. You need t
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oops....you need to find the truth for yourself.
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Surprised? A free-minder using gossip material as argument.
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Noah said ; Indeed I am for you people the trusted Messenger.
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For this reason you people be mindful/cautious of Allah and listen and accept my word.Others said the same in same words-keep reading
Mazhar you are missing the point. Quran tells you these previous prophets declared they were messengers but not without giving the message, they also said much more than Quran tells you, its a reminder so its not going over everything again, just reminding. These prophets were delivering a message from God but its the message that one has to believe. If one believes the message then is stands to reason they believe the messenger bringing it. if the postman comes to your house and says he is the postman you want him to give you post, hes not a postman to you until he does and its the post thats relevant not the postman. The belief is for the message first, without that belief then you cannot believe in the messenger.
Dont make the same mistake you are warned about in Quran in how the Christians raised one prophet higher to the point of being God. It says clearly Muhammed is no more than a messenger and he said the same as all prophets did, worship GOD alone.
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This question wouldnt even arise if we asked 'does the quran even talk of congregational prayer'. or even 'prayer'.
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This is the virus that creates the disease leading one to become a Munafiq. Munafiq feel uncomfort whenever any thing authentic about the Messenger he listens.
Dear Mazhar,
Your logic is exactly the opposite of what The Qur'aan says. According to The Qur'aan a munafig is the one who verbally testifies that Muhammad is the messenger of GOD/ALLAAH(SWT). Just see 631 for clarification.
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Many forget what the real Message is all about. many think Quran has rules/rituals to follow.
All rules/rituals are created by man with his free will, God in Quran authorizes some rituals what Mohammed and people at his time followed, if they benefits the society and forbids some for some specific reasons, so rituals are meant to be changed for the benefit of society. Quran didnt invent anything as God doesnt have any NEED except HE expects a peacefull society. -
Mazhar you are missing the point. Quran tells you these previous prophets declared they were messengers but not without giving the message, they also said much more than Quran tells you, its a reminder so its not going over everything again, just reminding.
I don't indulge in presumptive speculations. What is told is in simple words. Musa alalhissalam told him that he is the Messenger of Allah and gave him the message that let the Bani Israel go with me. And then all history is told. And for the blindness of those who equate the Messenger to a postman, Musa alahissalam got the Book after many events had passed after exodus. People believed in him as Messenger of Allah.
Belief in Allah alone will never take anybody into Paradise. Belief and acceptance of Allah and His Messengers is the precondition for paradise. The litmus test of Taqwa is who honours, respects and revers the Last Messenger. Rest is all self deception, which may get everything spoiled leading straight to hell, as says the Qur'aan.
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I don't indulge in presumptive speculations. What is told is in simple words. Musa alalhissalam told him that he is the Messenger of Allah and gave him the message that let the Bani Israel go with me. And then all history is told. And for the blindness of those who equate the Messenger to a postman, Musa alahissalam got the Book after many events had passed after exodus. People believed in him as Messenger of Allah.
God spoke to Moses before the exodus, God told Moses to tell the people and Moses knew they wouldnt believe him so God gave him words to say and miracles to show them to make them believe him, see burning bush, staff into snake, leprous hand, etc. That is before the 10 commandments but people had to SEE the the proof before they believed.As for the blindness of equating Muhammed to a postman there are numerous verses telling you his only job was to deliver the message.
Belief in Allah alone will never take anybody into Paradise. Belief and acceptance of Allah and His Messengers is the precondition for paradise. The litmus test of Taqwa is who honours, respects and revers the Last Messenger.
That is opposite to what Quran is telling us and opposite to what every prophet and messenger has told us, but as before the people change and need to rever a human person. Christians say the very same about Jesus.
Rest is all self deception, which may get everything spoiled leading straight to hell, as says the Qur'aan.
Other than Worshipping Allah Alone and Glorifying HIM Alone gets you straight to hell
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If God wanted us to do azaan a certain way, surely He would've specified. But clearly God did not.
How you want to call people to prayer, that's up to you. Now, if find something that you have been doing bothersome then the question is if it is coming from God or if it is coming from satan.
The most used sentence by so called Quranists "do as you wish"?
Does that full fill the concept of Ummah? you are trying to bring up a society that is scattered, all moving towards his own way.What is the meaning of Azaan?
Invitation, therefore when you invite some one it must be in polite and humble way, and it becomes more important when you call some one to the duty assigned by Allah,
So your claim "that's up to you" is absurd.
It is a common practice among all the Muslim countries, from the earliest recorded history of Islam, with few differences of word?
Regarding the claim of Including of word Muhammad in it, we have to know what was original Azaan? and I have asked the question but no one has replied to it.some one even claimed that will Muhammad include his own name in the Azaan? What about when he read or recited the Quran, which was intially adressed to him, did it make any sense then?
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If God wanted us to do azaan a certain way, surely He would've specified. But clearly God did not.
How you want to call people to prayer, that's up to you. Now, if find something that you have been doing bothersome then the question is if it is coming from God or if it is coming from satan.
The most used sentence by so called Quranists "do as you wish"?
Does that full fill the concept of Ummah? you are trying to bring up a society that is scattered, all moving towards his own way.
the ummah IS scattered through sects, uniting a call to prayer is not going to solve that.What is the meaning of Azaan?
Invitation, therefore when you invite some one it must be in polite and humble way, and it becomes more important when you call some one to the duty assigned by Allah,
So your claim "that's up to you" is absurd.you didnt understand what he said in the context he said it. What WORDS are used is irrelevant and it has been said by someone else that 'let us pray' could also be used. There is nothing in Quran telling you HOW to call to prayer or what WORDS to use to INVITE to prayer.
It is a common practice among all the Muslim countries, from the earliest recorded history of Islam, with few differences of word?
Regarding the claim of Including of word Muhammad in it, we have to know what was original Azaan? and I have asked the question but no one has replied to it.
because there is no record of it IN Quran but lets say Muhammed called the original prayer, he would have called to GOD ALONE and not added his own name to that. You are being called to worship GOD, not to Muhammed and not to worship Muhammed and not to testify anything to do with Muhammed. Its mentioned as 'call to prayer' and prayer is for God Alone.some one even claimed that will Muhammad include his own name in the Azaan? What about when he read or recited the Quran, which was intially adressed to him, did it make any sense then?
yes because he was RECITING what GOD told him to. The words are GOD'S words, not Muhammed's. He did not include his own name in Azhan as this is a call to GOD.
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Are you speaker for all those people I quoted?
the ummah IS scattered through sects, uniting a call to prayer is not going to solve that.
So we shall cotinue that way,further scattering them.
oh! people of the scripture Let us come to the common terms.....you didnt understand what he said in the context he said it.
So you are posting by different nicks?
because there is no record of it IN Quran but lets say Muhammed called the original prayer, he would have called to GOD ALONE and not added his own name to that. You are being called to worship GOD, not to Muhammed and not to worship Muhammed and not to testify anything to do with Muhammed. Its mentioned as 'call to prayer' and prayer is for God Alone.
How come to say "Muhammad is Rasul of Allah" equivalent to worship Muhammad? come on voodoo
yes because he was RECITING what GOD told him to. The words are GOD'S words, not Muhammed's. He did not include his own name in Azhan as this is a call to GOD.
Azaan was developed by the consultation of many and not by Muhammad peace is upon him alone, for your kind information.
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Sunni
Recital Arabic Transliteration Translation
4x * Allahu Akbar God is the greatest/most great
2x Ash-had an la ilaha illa llah I testify that there is no deity except for God
2x Ash-hadu anna Muammadan rasulullah I testify that Muhammad is a Messenger of God
2x Hayya 'ala-salatt Make haste towards the prayer
2x Hayya 'ala 'l-falah Make haste towards success (reward)
2x ** Al-salatu khayru min an-nawm Prayer is better than sleep **
2x Allhu akbar God is the greatest!
1x La ilaha illallah There is no deity except for God- Followers of the Maliki madh'hab say this line twice instead of four times.
** The line "Prayer is better than sleep" is used only for the first prayers of the day at dawn (fajr Prayer; Salat al-fajr).
Shi'aRecital Arabic Transliteration Translation
4x Allahu Akbar The God is greater than any description
2x Ash-hadu all ilha illaha illa llh I testify that there is no deity except for The God
2x Ash-hadu anna Muhammadan-raslu llh I testify that Muhammad is a Messenger of The God
2x Ash-hadu anna Aliya wali-ul-lah I testify witness that Ali is the vice regent of God
2x Hayya 'alas-salt Make haste towards the prayer
2x Hayya 'alal-falh Make haste towards the worship
2x Hayya- al Khair al amal Make haste towards the best thing
2x Allah-u Akbar The God is the greatest!
2x L ilha illallh There is no deity except for The God