Is Prophet Muhammad?s duty to deliver Quran only?: No
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Ayisha
Would you like to answer a simple question?
So you think Allah explained it by himself? or he gave Prophet the Wisdom to explain it?
Ayisha
It is You and Way finder who are trying to work on this.
Clearly Allah never Lies.6.114 Say "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.
7.52 For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe.
Mazhars translation
And indeed We had brought to them the Messenger with the Book, We had made that Book vividly distinct/demarcated/ isolated/ alienated/crystal clear on the basis of absolute information/knowledge.41.3 A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-
11.1 A. L. R. (This is) a Book, with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning), further explained in detail,- from One Who is Wise and Well-acquainted (with all things)
Mazhar translation
Afterwards those Aa'ya'at have been compacted/placed in enclave , each has been separated/distinguished/demarcated/isolated/ made distinct and crystal clear by the One Who is eternally the knower of all visible and secreted, Eternally informed and aware;17.12 We have made the Night and the Day as two (of Our) Signs the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years all things have We explained in detail
Mazhar translation
And each and every bit of knowledge/information/thing We have made it vividly distinct/ demarcated/isolated/alienated/crystal clear, in the manner that each isolated quite distinctly.The Book IS the explanation, it is fully explained IN the book itself and the BOOK is full of Wisdom.
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If it is established unanimously that Al Kitab refers to Qur'an (which it is) then it proves that "wisdom" refers to something else. It is perfectly plausible that wisdom is an "attribute" of the Qur'an in specific verses (such as Kitab Al Hikma), but it cannot be so when coupled with "wa" (e.g. kitab wal hikma) which signifies differentiation.
Brother Rajaaaah (sorry if I miss an 'a' )
Focus on the red part... You say differentiation... meaning something different or apart... Therefore, I would not be repeating it again... But there seem to be a grammatical error in that verse right? Why biHEE and not biHIMAA(dual plural)? Unless you disprove this.. you cannot talk about separation or differention..
However, what is more plausible is emphasis... Emphasis is being laid on the Hikmah (hukm/hakeem) aspect of the book as a source of legislation so that the society can be reformed through it and saved from self-destruction through their own concocted biased laws.
Prophet Muhammad Peace is upon him only spoke exact words of the Quran? How would he explain it then? he would probably have to use other words which weren't exact words of the Quran, therefore for sure Al-Kitab and Al-Hikmah are two separate things.
Why would he need to explain the Quran? Was he the author of the Quran or what? It was always God doing all the explanation... From A to Z, wherever and whenever there was a need for it from either the prophet himself or from his audience... this is why you will get dozen of verses from the Quran which ends with such wording or similar
It is always God who did the explanation... If God has explained His ayaat(verses)... then how does one explain something which has already been explained? Let's assume someone buys an appliance and the appliance comes with a manual, fully detailed... do we need someone else to explain the manual to us? What is the use of the manual then? The only problem might be the language of the manual and this is all.. Once you know the language, you will be able to understand the manual and use your appliance as it should be and avoid its misuse... In my example, the appliance is our own lives and the manual are the scriptures.
You can only have two choice
- The Prophet only read the verbatim text of the Qur'an as it was revealed without explaining it,
This is exactly what he did... As a messenger, he delivered the Book verbatim as he received it... God was speaking through his mouth... At other times, when not delivering the message, he was the prophet... preaching the Book to the people and upholding what was commanded in it.
- The Prophet read the verbatim text of the Qur'an and also explained it.
Already addressed this above.
and hope fully if you read the Quran as a whole you will opt for (2), and if not you may have solid reason for it, other than playing that Grammar, Grammar and NOUN , Pronoun games.
I opted for one as it sounds more logical to me... the grammar CANNOT suddenly become a game when you have difficulty disproving it to support your views.. hence the grammar becomes the enemy ... common...
This is my current view on the matter... Should not be taken as absolute truth.. Allah knows best.
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@ Rajaaah
I think this is worth adding.. The quran usually speaks in metaphores and will usually portray events from several different perspective/point of view/perception...
Hence, we have the following verse
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Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration) "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness." (Muhsin Khan)
Fools among the people, mainly missionaries will try to convince people that the Quran contains foolishness and that the Quran says the sun sets in a muddy pool of water... However, what they fail to observe is that the Quran is describing the scenery through the eyes/perception of Dhul Qarnain... It was from his perspective.. For example, NONE of us who sits by the seaside at sunset would deny that the sun sets in the SEA, this is how we perceive/see it... But this does not mean the SUN sleeps in the see, the true mechanism is something very different...
Therefore, understanding perception is critical to understanding the Quran. It was always Allah teaching, explaining, prophesizing etc etc through the revelation of the Quran... But FROM THE AUDIENCE perspective/point of view... it was Muhammad(pbuh) who was doing it while the fact is, he was delivering all of these through the Quran...
Similarly, when Moses split the sea... it was Allah doing this, not Moses... But from the point of view of the audience of Moses.. it was as if Moses was doing it... Same for Isa when he raised the dead etc etc... All this is perception... It is the key to understand a lot of quranic passages ACCORDING to me.
Allah knows best
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Way Finder
Focus on the red part... You say differentiation... meaning something different or apart... Therefore, I would not be repeating it again... But there seem to be a grammatical error in that verse right? Why biHEE and not biHIMAA(dual plural)? Unless you disprove this.. you cannot talk about separation or differention.
Way Finder to Mazhar
You need to be practical and not stick to the book..
Way Finder
Why would he need to explain the Quran?
Because Allah had told him to, I have posted some verses and I can post few others.
Allah does not come down to earth like JESUS CHRIST to explain each and every thing, he sends Messengers with his Message and gives them WISDOM to explain it. -
Ayisha,
So you Would not like to answer a simple question?
raj i think I have answered it 3 times now, or this may be the third time, maybe you missed it as you skimmed the Quranic verses which tell you that Allah has explained it IN the Quran?
The Book IS the explanation, it is fully explained IN the book itself and the BOOK is full of Wisdom.
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Way Finder
Way Finder to Mazhar
Way Finder
Because Allah had told him to, I have posted some verses and I can post few others.
Allah does not come down to earth like JESUS CHRIST to explain each and every thing, he sends Messengers with his Message and gives them WISDOM to explain it.But Allah says HE has explained it IN the Book itself )
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But Allah says HE has explained it IN the Book itself )
Come on Ayisha I can give you various examples from just this site, let leave the Ummah, where there has been no consensus after debating whole 40 pages.
Allah sent the Quran, he send the Messengers with wisdom to explain them, and we also require Wisdom to understand it.BOOK is full of Wisdom.
Yes, but it requires Wisdom to extract from it.
Allah did not came to earth to explain anything, neither was it in BOOK shape, it was revealed step by step in many years bit by bit, and every bit needed explanation, which was done by the Messenger. They did not had intelligent people like you Ayisha that time who, could understand the Quran from Quran itself, in case when it was not revealed as a Whole.
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Come on Ayisha I can give you various examples from just this site, let leave the Ummah, where there has been no consensus after debating whole 40 pages.
Allah sent the Quran, he send the Messengers with wisdom to explain them, and we also require Wisdom to understand it.
So you disagree with the verses?Yes, but it requires Wisdom to extract from it.
so where has it been extracted to?Allah did not came to earth to explain anything, neither was it in BOOK shape, it was revealed step by step in many years bit by bit, and every bit needed explanation, which was done by the Messenger. They did not had intelligent people like you Ayisha that time who, could understand the Quran from Quran itself, in case when it was not revealed as a Whole.
So the messenger did NOT recite Quran word for word from Allah? Did Muhammed author Quran?
So Allah sent a book of words that mean nothing and were explained by Muhammed in some 'appendix' to Quran? where is this explanation of the words that mean nothing to you then raj?
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You need to be practical and not stick to the book..
You must be joking right? Unlike Mazhar, I did not learn that subject cannot come before a verb... that would of course be called a nominal sentence, but since we have a verb in it, it is undeniable that the subject is indeed before the verb... I proved it. That was enough. And it was not about a grammatical mistake either... mistaking a plural for a singular noun.
So again, take you time to disprove and correct the grammar, then you can talk some more.
Because Allah had told him to, I have posted some verses and I can post few others.
Keep checking the verses...
Allah does not come down to earth like JESUS CHRIST to explain each and every thing, he sends Messengers with his Message and gives them WISDOM to explain it.
Messengers are NOT SUPPOSED to explain each and everything... They are only supposed to deliver what God has revealed as explanation... Most of God's commandment to them were already known and in practice at that time... The concepts had been delievered gradually over time through revelation.
Again, you are mixing wisdom with explaination... Explain would translate as .... Hikmah is from verb and from same root we get the word HUKM=Law/Haakim=Judge etc... All these to say that hikmah has a straight relation with legislation and sound judgement according to the Book.
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Maybe you missed some of my 'simple questions' as well... Let me repost
how can an explanation be explained? Would that be called an explanation in first place if it needs explanation?
group don't worry wayfinder, Raj will explain to you the explanation of the explained verses then explain how they have been explained into a full explanation so we can understand peace
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The word ?bihee? (with it) that appear at the end of the verse, is in the
singular mode, in other words it describes one thing and not two. For that
reason the words ?Al-Hekmah? and ?Al-Ketab? must denote one thing and not
two, unless of course God is making grammatical mistakes!The Bihee is not translated by most translators... the translation of bihee is
Peace WayFinder,
Are you trying to convince us that when we read X AND Y we should automatically infer that Y is included in X. What kind of author would do something like this?
Please provide the translation of the verse 2231 and then we will analyze the truthfulness of your translation.
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Peace WayFinder,
Are you trying to convince us that when we read X AND Y we should automatically infer that Y is included in X. What kind of author would do something like this?
so an author who is full of wisdom and says His book is full of wisdom and gives us wisdom to understand it, does not actually mean read the book as its full of wisdom? ???
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Peace WayFinder,
Are you trying to convince us that when we read X AND Y we should automatically infer that Y is included in X. What kind of author would do something like this?
Please provide the translation of the verse 2231 and then we will analyze the truthfulness of your translation.
Peace Guest,
You do not need to translate the whole verse.. Because the keypoint that is being critical in this discussion here is just a pronoun...
anzala=he revealed
AAalaykum =upon you(plural)
mina=from
alkitabi =The Book
wa = and
lhikmati=the wisdom
yaAAithukum = He instrusts you(plural)
bi=with
hi = IT (singular masculine)The verse tells us the God instructs us through Al-kitaab and Al-Hikmah, which at first sight seems to be 2 separate things... However, when GOD uses a pronoun to refer to these 2(AL-Kitab and Al-Hikmah), He uses a SINGULAR pronoun which is HI... Whereas, if AlKitaab and AlHikmah were 2 separate things, then the pronoun used should be DUAL PLURAL, that is HIMAA to refer to these 2 separate things...
Moreover, there is a clear verse which says that AL-HIKMAH is indeed included in the BOOK. In Sura 17, we are given a clear demonstration of the word ?Al-Hekmah? as being the ability to differentiate between right and wrong and the wisdom to choose what is right. If we read the verses from 22 to 39, we find God commanding us not to worship except Him, to honor our parents, to give due alms to our relatives, the needy, the poor, and the traveling alien but without being extravagant or stingy, not to kill our children for fear of poverty, not to commit adultery, nor to abuse the orphan?s money, to trade equitably and fairly, to verify everything before following it blindly and not to act vainly. After such valuable advice God informs us that these virtues are indeed what wisdom is all about.
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You do not need to translate the whole verse.. Because the keypoint that is being critical in this discussion here is just a pronoun...
anzala=he revealed
AAalaykum =upon you(plural)
mina=from
alkitabi =The Book
wa = and
lhikmati=the wisdom
yaAAithukum = He instrusts you(plural)
bi=with
hi = IT (singular masculine)
The verse tells us the God instructs us through Al-kitaab and Al-Hikmah, which at first sight seems to be 2 separate things... However, when GOD uses a pronoun to refer to these 2(AL-Kitab and Al-Hikmah), He uses a SINGULAR pronoun which is HI... Whereas, if AlKitaab and AlHikmah were 2 separate things, then the pronoun used should be DUAL PLURAL, that is HIMAA to refer to these 2 separate things... WayfinderWithout going into other merits of the proposition that "al hikmate" is contained in the Book, the above grammatical conclusion is certainly incorrect, and is caused by ignoring the Relative Pronoun "Maa" before verb "anzala" "that which He/Allah has sent".
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Without going into other merits of the proposition that "al hikmate" is contained in the Book, the above grammatical conclusion is certainly incorrect, and is caused by ignoring the Relative Pronoun "Maa" before verb "anzala" "that which He/Allah has sent".
Thank you... you are right on this one.