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243 Ruku is out of AlSalaat .
And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down. 243
How can you understand Ruku is out of salaat when it is mentionned clearly in this surat ?
Other proofs that ruku (bowing down) is part of salaat (bowing down and prosternating comes toghether most of the time when the aya speaks about salaat)
We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves. (2125)
O Marium! keep to obedience to your Lord and humble yourself, and bow down with those who bow. (343)
And when We assigned to Ibrahim the place of the House, saying Do not associate with Me aught, and purify My House for those who make the circuit and stand to pray and bow and prostrate themselves. (2226)
O you who believe! bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do.good that you may succeed. (2277)
Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; (4829)
Dont be part of those "And where it is said to them Bow down, they do not bow down." (7747)
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Salaam Badr,
And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down. 243
How can you understand Ruku is out of salaat when it is mentionned clearly in this surat ?
If you notice, I have quoted the same aayat in my post.
It can be translated as
243 And hold the contact prayer, AND contribute towards purification, AND bow down with those who bow down.
Please understand the meaning of 'WA' that means 'AND' in between, something like
24 And those who believe in what was sent down to you, AND what was sent down before you, AND regarding the Hereafter they are certain.
How do you understand this, including AND?
Another thing... If you add Ruku with AlSalaat then you have to add Zakaat also with AlSaat in 243. Hope you understand, inshaAllah.
Other proofs that ruku (bowing down) is part of salaat (bowing down and prosternating comes toghether most of the time when the aya speaks about salaat)
We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves. (2125)
O Marium! keep to obedience to your Lord and humble yourself, and bow down with those who bow. (343)
And when We assigned to Ibrahim the place of the House, saying Do not associate with Me aught, and purify My House for those who make the circuit and stand to pray and bow and prostrate themselves. (2226)
O you who believe! bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do.good that you may succeed. (2277)
Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; (4829)
Dont be part of those "And where it is said to them Bow down, they do not bow down." (7747)
None of the aayaats talk about AlSalaat.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598162.msg225018#msg225018
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Can u please analyse this text and explain it ? I appreciate it
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Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 023714 PM
What this phrase means? Who is the head noun and the descriptive/adjective noun?
Can u please analyse this text and explain it ? I appreciate it. Loxbox
Please convey to him the above phrase who has given that detailed opinion that "Ruku" is merely a transition phase to Sjd. May be he agrees with Badr "case closed". For transitional phases of an act we need not have a participle to describe each and every isolated intervening clip of that action from begininng to end. In the above phrase are two active participles, the later as adjective of the First Participle, reflecting that the first is also a performance of an independent act.
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Salaam Mazhar,
What this phrase means? Who is the head noun and the descriptive/adjective noun?
Brother please look at my previous post and again I repeat "None of the aayaats talk about AlSalaat".
We are discussing about Salaat not Ruku.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan
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Salaam Mazhar,
Brother please look at my previous post and again I repeat "None of the aayaats talk about AlSalaat".
We are discussing about Salaat not Ruku.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan
Salam,
You exclude Ruku from Assalat, and have a perception of "Waw" as that of English "And" giving a connotation of being a conjunction between two things of different and independent nature in all dimensions. Have I correctly understood you what you stated in earlier posts?
For Assalat you need a . Do you agree that this is a correct proposition?
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Salaam Badr,
None of the aayaats talk about AlSalaat.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. KhanSalaam Mazhar,
Brother please look at my previous post and again I repeat "None of the aayaats talk about AlSalaat".
We are discussing about Salaat not Ruku.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan
Yeah this is about gymnastics ;D
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Salaam brother,
You exclude Ruku from Assalat, and have a perception of "Waw" as that of English "And" giving a connotation of being a conjunction between two things of different and independent nature in all dimensions. Have I correctly understood you what you stated in earlier posts?
Yes.
For Assalat you need a . Do you agree that this is a correct proposition?
I did not understand what exactly you wanna say here...
Mohammed M. Khan
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Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 071459 AM
You exclude Ruku from Assalat, and have a perception of "Waw" as that of English "And" giving a connotation of being a conjunction between two things of different and independent nature in all dimensions. Have I correctly understood you what you stated in earlier posts?Yes. mmkhan
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For Assalat you need a . Do you agree that this is a correct proposition?I did not understand what exactly you wanna say here...
Salam mmkhan,
The above perception about English "And" and Arabic "Waw" is not correct in its restrictive nature but is much wider than this. Please see about both in Grammer books.
is a noun of place. And a noun of place is derived from a verb. So formal Salat is something physical act that needs a physical place for its performance/execution. Do you agree with this proposition?
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Salaam Mazhar,
Salam mmkhan,
The above perception about English "And" and Arabic "Waw" is not correct in its restrictive nature but is much wider than this. Please see about both in Grammer books.
Can you please quote a two aayaats from AlQuraan for example?
is a noun of place. And a noun of place is derived from a verb. So formal Salat is something physical act that needs a physical place for its performance/execution. Do you agree with this proposition?
I agree, but still I did not understand your point.
Mohammed M. Khan
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I really enjoyed this read...and it makes a lot of sense. Good work! bravo
I agree, i enjoyed this as well. I don't quite understand how 4101-103 can be translated to not mean physical ritualistic salat.
I also found this description of salat very interesting (from islamic-research.org)
http//www.islamic-research.org/religious-practices/41-salat/173-salat-words.html
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I don't quite understand how 4101-103 can be translated to not mean physical ritualistic salat.
You may wish to consult this work or for background reading
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.htmlIt effectively kills the traditional interpretation of 4101-103, unless evidence can be brought to the contrary.
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You may wish to consult this work or for background reading
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.htmlIt effectively kills the traditional interpretation of 4101-103, unless evidence can be brought to the contrary.
These articles are great, thanks Wakas.
Also, I wonder who will be the first to post 95 theses on the masjid door, ala Martin Luther. I totally feel like we are protestant Muslims.
