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Salaaman LB13,
Inhinaa isn't a word from the quran, i just wanted to say , that incline, in arabic means inhinaa , and not rukuaa
how did I conclude that kharra means fall on the ground !
When Moses came to the place appointed by Us and his Lord addressed him, He said "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon Thee." Allah said "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); but look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested Himself to the Mount, He made it as dust, and Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." 7143
Then, when We decreed (Solomon's) death nothing showed them his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his staff so when he fell down, the Jinns saw plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in the humiliating Penalty (of their Task). 3414
Those before them did also plot (against Allah's Way) but Allah took their structures from their foundations, and the roof fell down on them from above; and the Wrath seized them from directions they did not perceive 1626
Thank you for the references. And yes you are right LOL
I know brother, thats why I gave you an example of "Hands" in reply # 32. Please read it, you may understand inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman LB13 ,
Rouh = Quran = Iilm = Knowlege/science, we only get a little
Therefore, the 2 sentences in that verse 1785 are of the same meaning, and not two totally different meanings as they seem . It's better toook for other exemples, unless you don't agree that Rooh means knowlege/science/Quran/ etc..
In the verse 1785 , it sounds like they asked him about the revelation, it's nature .MashaAllah and thanks again for quoting beautiful aayaats.
But you are mixing all words together brother as sunni and shia mullas . Each and every words used got a different meaning.
AlRooh is AlRooh
AlQuraan is AlQuraan
Knowledge is I'lmYou cannot mix all of them. There is a different purpose to use a different word as you have already seen in 7198
Now please take a look again at 1785
1785
1785 And they ask you concerning the Spirit. Say The Spirit is from the authority of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little.
In this aayat given knowledge is NOT referring to AlRooh or something else but in general whatever knowledge was give to you is very little.
For example We have not given enough knowledge of galaxies, we have given enough knowledge of darknesses of sea, etc, etc...
If the knowledge is referring to AlRooh, then it would have said "Wa maa ootitum min al-i'lmi HI illa khaleela" .
"HI" may refer to AlRooh asked in 1785, but that is not the case.
Hope you understand the point brother. Again I ask you take a close look at the aayaats that I am giving for references to avoid confusion.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman LB13 ,
MashaAllah and thanks again for quoting beautiful aayaats.
But you are mixing all words together brother as sunni and shia mullas D . Each and every words used got a different meaning.
AlRooh is AlRooh
AlQuraan is AlQuraan
Knowledge is I'lmYou cannot mix all of them. There is a different purpose to use a different word as you have already seen in 7198
Now please take a look again at 1785
1785
1785 And they ask you concerning the Spirit. Say The Spirit is from the authority of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little.
In this aayat given knowledge is NOT referring to AlRooh or something else but in general whatever knowledge was give to you is very little.
For example We have not given enough knowledge of galaxies, we have given enough knowledge of darknesses of sea, etc, etc...
If the knowledge is referring to AlRooh, then it would have said "Wa maa ootitum min al-i'lmi HI illa khaleela" .
"HI" may refer to AlRooh asked in 1785, but that is not the case.
Hope you understand the point brother. Again I ask you take a close look at the aayaats that I am giving for references to avoid confusion.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. KhanMaybe i did a wrong approach, i did the math, " regle de trois" a=b and b=c therfore a=c
maybe it's a wrong approach, is this how the mollahs do it ? LOL I don't think so, they go for irrationel, they interpret the quran like interpreting a dream LOL
About Rouh, I didn't say it's strictly science, I thaught of it as revelation/ispiration
maybe rooh mean something else, but I don't see it as the chritian cocept, another me in a spiriit form etc... but you're right in one thing, he could have said also , wa ma outiytoum mina rouhi ila kalila
good point
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Salaaman LB13,
Please look at http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602070.msg272825#msg272825
Maybe i did a wrong approach, i did the math, " regle de trois" a=b and b=c therfore a=c
maybe it's a wrong approach, is this how the mollahs do it ? LOL I don't think so, they go for irrationel, they interpret the quran like interpreting a dream LOL
About Rouh, I didn't say it's strictly science, I thaught of it as revelation/ispiration
maybe rooh mean something else, but I don't see it as the chritian cocept, another me in a spiriit form etc... but you're right in one thing, he could have said also , wa ma outiytoum mina rouhi ila kalila
good point
thanxThanks and you are welcome.
I believe that AlRooh is someONE who works for Allah as per His command.
Look again
1785
1785 And they ask you concerning AlRooh. Say AlRooh is from the authority of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little.
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974 The angels and AlRooh come down in it with the permission of their Lord to carry out every matter.
Look at the word used in Arabic in both are "Amr"
I don't say AlRooh is Spirit, no nope I was just copied and pasted the translation in my prev post.
And an interesting point is AlRooh is always SINGULAR. I don't see its plural in AlQuraan/AlKitaab, do you?
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
1785 And they ask you concerning AlRooh. Say AlRooh is from the authority of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little.
This verse clearly implies that "al rooh" brings knowledge. Al rooh = the inspiration.
From PRL Ruhun -vital principle, breath which a man breathes and pervades his whole body. Inspiration or divine revelation .
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This verse clearly implies that "al rooh" brings knowledge. Al rooh = the inspiration.
From PRL Ruhun -vital principle, breath which a man breathes and pervades his whole body. Inspiration or divine revelation .
Does nafakha fihi min rohihi
translated usually blow in him from his spirit
does it have a similitude as Downloaded in him from his database ??? sounds absurd, but can it be a similitude of the ancient language !!! -
Salaam,
This verse clearly implies that "al rooh" brings knowledge. Al rooh = the inspiration.
From PRL Ruhun -vital principle, breath which a man breathes and pervades his whole body. Inspiration or divine revelation .
nope
BTW, you said
AlRooh brings knowledge
AlRooh = the inspirationhmm
Please look at the above posts and ayaats.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman LB13,
Does nafakha fihi min rohihi
translated usually blow in him from his spirit
does it have a similitude as Downloaded in him from his database ??? sounds absurd, but can it be a similitude of the ancient language !!!" " means "And blow from mouth will be downloaded in the horn" LOL P
As I said earlier I still understand that AlRooh is someONE who works on Allah specific commands. Or in other words, AlRooh is used for some specific works by Allah.
May Allah increase us all in knowledge pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
mmkhan
But we are interested in the salaat as mentioned in Quran by Allah and practiced by Muhammad Peace is upon him an the prophets before him.
according to you Jummah is the middle Salaat and the reason you give is
If you notice in 2238, AlSalaati AlWusta is separated from all the Salaats . If you take it as your daily Salaat, then at what time do you made your Salaat on Juma? And why this middle Salaat is not included in Salawaat ?
Jumma salaat is totally different from middle Salaat, if not which verse of Quran tells us so; not your example of any red book but from the book of Allah is needed to support your claim.
we can see that in old testament middle salaat is daily
This was Our tradition with Our Messengers who lived before you, and you will find no change in Our tradition.1777
Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.1778"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did afortime." (Daniel 610)
"As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud and he shall hear my voice." (Psalms 5516-17
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mmkhan
But we are interested in the salaat as mentioned in Quran by Allah and practiced by Muhammad Peace is upon him an the prophets before him.
according to you Jummah is the middle Salaat and the reason you give is
Jumma salaat is totally different from middle Salaat, if not which verse of Quran tells us so; not your example of any red book but from the book of Allah is needed to support your claim.
we can see that in old testament middle salaat is daily
This was Our tradition with Our Messengers who lived before you, and you will find no change in Our tradition.1777
Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.1778"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did afortime." (Daniel 610)
"As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud and he shall hear my voice." (Psalms 5516-17
Salam . The first part of verse 2238 is talking about Salawat , which is plural . That means there are at least three Salaat were indicated there . The second part of verse 2238 is talking about Salaat , which is singular . This implies a single Salah , i.e., Wusta Salah . Therefore the number of Salah per day , according to your count becomes more than three .
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mmkhan
But we are interested in the salaat as mentioned in Quran by Allah and practiced by Muhammad Peace is upon him an the prophets before him.
I said that cause that is what I understand personally from AlQuraan/AlKitaab. If you are able to find any error or contradiction, you are free to quote them so that I can correct myself and it could be a help for others to understand properly, that is the reason "I" is used.
according to you Jummah is the middle Salaat and the reason you give is
Jumma salaat is totally different from middle Salaat, if not which verse of Quran tells us so; not your example of any red book but from the book of Allah is needed to support your claim.
In 2238 there are two things to be noted .
AlSalawaat = Plural or more than two
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AlSalaat AlWusta = Different from the above cause, Salawaat includes ALL including the 'middle one' if any.
Salawaat referring to our regular Salaats in a different format that Wusta Salaat.
Salaat + Al + Fajr Regular Salaat
Salaat + Al + Eishaan Regular SalaatAl + Salaat + Al + Wusta Not a Regular Salaat
AlSalaat AlWusta is not included by it usage also "Al + Salaat" is "The Salaat" something special than regular. This also makes it different from other Salaats.
we can see that in old testament middle salaat is daily
You see how you contradict with in a single post of yours? You said two different things in a single post as
"we are interested in the salaat as mentioned in Quran by Allah and practiced by Muhammad Peace is upon him an the prophets before him"
"we can see that in old testament middle salaat is daily"
This was Our tradition with Our Messengers who lived before you, and you will find no change in Our tradition.1777
Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.1778"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did afortime." (Daniel 610)
"As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud and he shall hear my voice." (Psalms 5516-17
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544 We have sent down the Torah, in it is a guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Devotees, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of the Book of Allah, and they were witness over. So do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what Allah has sent down, then these are the rejecters.
547
547 And let the people of AlInjeel judge with what Allah has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what Allah has sent down, then these are the wicked.
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4105 We have revealed to you the Book with the truth that you may judge between the people by that which Allah has shown you, and do not be an advocate for the treacherous.
May Allah guide us all to His correct path pr
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Salawaat referring to our regular Salaats in a different format that Wusta Salaat.
Salaat + Al + Fajr Regular Salaat
Salaat + Al + Eishaan Regular SalaatAl + Salaat + Al + Wusta Not a Regular Salaat
AlSalaat AlWusta is not included by it usage also "Al + Salaat" is "The Salaat" something special than regular. This also makes it different from other Salaats.
Both mean the same thing i.e. As-Salat. The first example is a Possessive Phrase in which the definite article is not added with the first, and it derives its definiteness from the Possessive noun.
The second is the Adjectival phrase where alwusta is the adjectival qualification of As-Salat.
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mmkhan
You see how you contradict with in a single post of yours? You said two different things in a single post as
"we are interested in the salaat as mentioned in Quran by Allah and practiced by Muhammad Peace is upon him an the prophets before him"
"we can see that in old testament middle salaat is daily"
before I deal with technical aspect of your post let me comment on the above first.
So what is the contradiction in these two statements?
The Salaat practiced by prophets before Muhammad Peace is upon him was mention in old testament and I quoted it, that is one part of my statement, and then I quoted Quran what Quran says
This was Our tradition with Our Messengers who lived before you, and you will find no change in Our tradition.1777
Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.1778So what and where is the contradiction?
Afterwards We have conveyed you, the Messenger that you remain incessantly physically follow the path/way of life/community of Iebra'heim ; who was the Sincere/Ever Upright/Perpetually a Muslim
This Verse 16123 clearly indicates that at the time of Muhammad Peace is upon him all religious practices in Islam were there but with mixing, Prophet Muhammad peace is upon him corrected those errors.
Jummah in no way is in middle of morning and evening, neither does it comes in middle of week.
mmkhan
For example, if someone ask you to take out ALL the book from the room and the red one also. What does this mean? It clearly means that red book is not with all the other books. This is how AlSalaati AlWusta is used in 2238, inshaAllah, if I am not mistaken.
The red book is different from the other two white books. Therefore AlSalaati AlWusta is used separately because it is the one we should take special care of. So what does this example shows us?
Maintain with care the prayers and the middle prayer and stand before Allah , devoutly obedient.
But if you are in danger, then (say your prayers) on foot or on horseback; and when you are secure, then remember Allah, as. He has taught you what you did not know.- Most of the times a person is in dangerous position when he is out of his house/place.
- Most of the times people walk and ride horse during day time not usually before Dawn.
- These are not conditions for Jummah prayers.
for further proof
When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.This shorten prayer is most of the time middle prayer, because this is the time when most people are in travel and wars are at peak.
Jummah on other hand is so important that a whole Surah was named after it
O you who declare to have accepted!
when the call has been made for the for the performance of Ass-sa'laat in the Day of Friday,It is only on a single day in a week and no where Allah calls this Salaat as Middle.
And you the Messenger organize/make people stand for As'salat at the two ends/brink of the day and in moments from the progressively approaching night Indeed the appropriately proportioned acts take away/remove the evil deeds.That is a reminder for those who remember/retain in memory.
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AlSalawaat = Plural or more than two
AND
AlSalaat AlWusta = Different from the above cause, Salawaat includes ALL including the 'middle one' if any.
Salawaat referring to our regular Salaats in a different format that Wusta Salaat.Salaat + Al + Fajr Regular Salaat
Salaat + Al + Eishaan Regular SalaatAl + Salaat + Al + Wusta Not a Regular Salaat
AlSalaat AlWusta is not included by it usage also "Al + Salaat" is "The Salaat" something special than regular. This also makes it different from other Salaats.
Both mean the same thing i.e. As-Salat. The first example is a Possessive Phrase in which the definite article is not added with the first, and it derives its definiteness from the Possessive noun.
The second is the Adjectival phrase where alwusta is the adjectival qualification of As-Salat
And you the Messenger organize/make people stand for As'salat at the two ends/brink of the day and in moments from the progressively approaching night Indeed the appropriately proportioned acts take away/remove the evil deeds.That is a reminder for those who remember/retain in memory.
"wa" here indicates of three.
The word Wusta is a derivative of the word 'Wasat' which means middle. Therefore the words Al-Salat Al-Wusta mean 'The Middle Prayer'. The notion of a 'Middle' prayer indicates that the number of prayers is an odd number.
What most can be said from your post is that the timing of Jummah prayer are the same as middle prayer, and on that special day the middle prayer is Jummah prayer.
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oh my head is spinning!