The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof
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Salaam Ayman and all,
Peace Pierre,
It is not my problem that you ignore that in Arabic there is a difference between dual and plural and that plural is "3 or more", which renders everything that you just said nonsense. If being stupid means that unlike you I know that plural is "three or more" and not "more than three" then I would rather be stupid than be so incredibly smart like you.
Why include the dual in your counts? The only reason is so that you can get to 30, which is not even a real month and no calendar in existence has months with 30 days. So you are falsifying counts to get to what is anyway a false imaginary month.
This is false selective numerology counting to reach a preconceived count by hook or by crook. You arbitrarily included "this day" and the non generic form "in the day" and "to a day", etc. but exclude "that day" ("that" is not a pronoun). You also include the accusative but hypocritically excluded it in other counts such as that of "wahid".
This was not my question. Everything you said is based on Muharam being month 1 in year 1. This is why you are evading to answer my real question. Here it is again
Now tell us how do you know month 1 since month 9 depends on it? From when do you ultimately start counting?
See if you can answer using your numerology crap.
Peace,
Ayman
In Arabic when we say "We are going to the park." is "We" plural or singular?
Now if Ayman and 1 friend (two people) go to the park are they going to say "I am going to the park" or "We are going to the park."
Now if Ayman claims that "we" is singular not plural, everyone will agree he is a liar.
For the same reason in Arabic there is a plural for two (dual) and for three or more entities Two types of plural.
If Ayman does not admit that, he is a liar (and he doesn't because of his big ego, and because it would force him to admit that Quran is mathematically structured). For this reason the plural "days" occurs 30 times in Quran, taking into account both Arabic plural forms.
Ayman lives in denial that the Quran is a mathematically structured book (365 x "day", 30 x "days", 12 x "month".
How blind can people be in the face of such obvious signs ?! nope30 days is the maximum number of days in a lunar month. Every sincere person knows a lunar month has either 29 or 30 days. If the count for "days" in Quran was 29, then he would object some lunar months have 30 days. What kind of game are you playing Ayman ? You are only fooling yourself and people who are, like you, in complete denial.
Peace.
Pierre
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Salaam Ayman and all,
In Arabic when we say "We are going to the park." is "We" plural or singular?
Now if Ayman and 1 friend (two people) go to the park are they going to say "I am going to the park" or "We are going to the park."
Now if Ayman claims that "we" is singular not plural, everyone will agree he is a liar.
For the same reason in Arabic there is a plural for two (dual) and for three or more entities Two types of plural.
If Ayman does not admit that, he is a liar (and he doesn't because of his big ego, and because it would force him to admit that Quran is mathematically structured). For this reason the plural "days" occurs 30 times in Quran, taking into account both Arabic plural forms.
Ayman lives in denial that the Quran is a mathematically structured book (365 x "day", 30 x "days", 12 x "month".
How blind can people be in the face of such obvious signs ?! nope30 days is the maximum number of days in a lunar month. Every sincere person knows a lunar month has either 29 or 30 days. If the count for "days" in Quran was 29, then he would object some lunar months have 30 days. What kind of game are you playing Ayman ? You are only fooling yourself and people who are, like you, in complete denial.
Peace.
Pierre
30 x 12 is 360, not 365
The moon does its thing every 27. something days, not 29 and not 30, so there can sometimes be 13 new moons in a solar year of 365 days
6619 you need to choose 1 way and stick to it as your arguments are not taking account of any FACTS
In arabic there is DUAL (2) and PLURAL (3+)
a dual ending would be alif nun, a plural ending would be alif taa or waw nun depending on gender, so your 'we are going to the park' you would see the change in the verb 'to go' depending on the gender of those going and not in the 'we' part.
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Peace Pierre and Mazhar,
In Arabic when we say "We are going to the park." is "We" plural or singular?
Now if Ayman and 1 friend (two people) go to the park are they going to say "I am going to the park" or "We are going to the park."
Now if Ayman claims that "we" is singular not plural, everyone will agree he is a liar.
For the same reason in Arabic there is a plural for two (dual) and for three or more entities Two types of plural.If you say "you" are going to the park in English is "you" plural or singular? In English there is no difference only in the second person. This doesn't mean that there is no difference in general between singular and plural in English. Same thing in the Arabic only in the first person there is no difference between dual and plural. This doesn't mean that there is no difference in general between dual and plural in Arabic. When it comes to "ayam" and "yawmayn" the first person doesn't even arise and they are definitely different.
The ONLY reason you add the dual is to force the count to come to your imaginary 30 day month. Had the plural count been already 30 then you would have been arguing the exact opposite if I asked you why you didn't include the dual.
You are also unable to address the fact that the count of the singluar form "day" is never 365, as I mentioned previously.
If Ayman does not admit that, he is a liar (and he doesn't because of his big ego, and because it would force him to admit that Quran is mathematically structured). For this reason the plural "days" occurs 30 times in Quran, taking into account both Arabic plural forms.
Ayman lives in denial that the Quran is a mathematically structured book (365 x "day", 30 x "days", 12 x "month".
How blind can people be in the face of such obvious signs ?! nopeAm I "blind" because I don't want to believe you when you say that 365 is 30 x 12 !?? At least the blind can multiply.
30 days is the maximum number of days in a lunar month. Every sincere person knows a lunar month has either 29 or 30 days. If the count for "days" in Quran was 29, then he would object some lunar months have 30 days. What kind of game are you playing Ayman ? You are only fooling yourself and people who are, like you, in complete denial.
Maybe the god is fooling you when he didn't make the lunar cycles 30 days. Do you think that the god is inaccurate and it would have been hard for him to make it 30 days?? You think that your nonsensical code and haphazard selective counting of words is more accurate than the god's system?
This is why neither you or Mazhar will ever be able to answer my questions
How do you know month 1 since month 9 depends on it? From when do you ultimately start counting?
If you wake up from a coma on a deserted island how would you be able to find your Ramadan based on your Code 19 and/or the lunar and/or solar cycles?
You and Mazhar keep evading as usual, because you are both nothing more than a couple of clueless guys parading their ignorance on a public forum. What benefits people stays and what doesn't benefit them is swept away. Had you been able to answer those two questions, then you would be the heros of Sunnis and 19ers.
Peace,
Ayman
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How do you know month 1 since month 9 depends on it? From when do you ultimately start counting?
If you wake up from a coma on a deserted island how would you be able to find your Ramadan based on your Code 19 and/or the lunar and/or solar cycles?
Only Aymen could ask such irrelevant rather foolish questions based on ridiculous propositions.
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Only Aymen could ask such irrelevant rather foolish questions based on ridiculous propositions.
No Its not a foolish question, its a very valid question which you cannot answer.
The calendar at the time of Muhammed is not the calendar Islam goes by today, so very rightly one must ask when was the day 1 month 1 calculated from. Quran is not dependant on any of our calendars or months but on the system of Allah, so how would you know ramadan if you had no calendar and no watch? If you cannot answer it then you are saying that ramadan IS dependant on a calendar that is man made, which is how it is worked out now, not how Allah worked it out.
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No Its not a foolish question, its a very valid question which you cannot answer.
These are Mega foolish questions that can only be asked Mega foolish people and supported by Mega foolish people.
The calendar at the time of Muhammed is not the calendar Islam goes by today, so very rightly one must ask when was the day 1 month 1 calculated from.
Where is the evidence of your faulty claim, Pom Pom girl?
2173 - We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat). To us, they were devoted worshipers.
3224 - We appointed from among them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, because they steadfastly persevered and attained certainty about our revelations.
7179 - We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse - they are totally unaware.
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These are Mega foolish questions that can only be asked Mega foolish people and supported by Mega foolish people.
so yu cant answer it either, that's erm, surprising )Where is the evidence of your faulty claim, Pom Pom girl?
Look it up no mind boy, calendars go back a long way and are different depending on what they are based on.2173 - We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat). To us, they were devoted worshipers.
3224 - We appointed from among them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, because they steadfastly persevered and attained certainty about our revelations.
7179 - We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse - they are totally unaware.
was there a point to this post or was it just to remind us all you're still here not answering anything?
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Common Ayisha.... you are smarter than this.. you are a grown up now.. stop playing in the play-pen with with the kids... you have better things to do for your own soul.. Leave the babies... their gurus... oh sorry.. their moms will take care of them.
yes I know you're right, obvious to anyone it came to poke a stick and not conribute.
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so yu cant answer it either, that's erm, surprising
Answer to the nonsense questions were provided in the ?Hot/"ramadan" Answer? thread including a challenge which your (and WayFinder?s) master Ayman refused to accept. Thus exposing the falsehood and fakeness. The ?Hot Ramadan? article has no head or tail. It is absolutely the best example of ?no no?. It is the worst known article in the history of mankind. And who else would follow it other than you and WayFinder?
Look it up no mind boy, calendars go back a long way and are different depending on what they are based on.
I have looked everywhere where sun shines but found no such evidence. You must be getting it out of where sun never shines.
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No Its not a foolish question, its a very valid question which you cannot answer.
The calendar at the time of Muhammed is not the calendar Islam goes by today, so very rightly one must ask when was the day 1 month 1 calculated from. Quran is not dependant on any of our calendars or months but on the system of Allah, so how would you know ramadan if you had no calendar and no watch? If you cannot answer it then you are saying that ramadan IS dependant on a calendar that is man made, which is how it is worked out now, not how Allah worked it out.
What a correct observation
These are Mega foolish questions that can only be asked Mega foolish people and supported by Mega foolish people.
Are the phases of moon measured by watches?
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2173 - We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat). To us, they were devoted worshipers.3224 - We appointed from among them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, because they steadfastly persevered and attained certainty about our revelations.
7179 - We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse - they are totally unaware.
was there a point to this post or was it just to remind us all you're still here not answering anything?
You seem to be at a lost whenever straight forward Quranic verses are quoted. You fail to grasp the meaning of it in the context of the discussion at hand. But you rejoice whenever someone twist the meaning of a verse and produce a devilish interpretation to it. You leave crystal clear evidence of it in your writing. The latest example being in the Dr. Qamar's Haqeeqat...thread ?Downloaded both and have read introduction only on fasting. I like this guy already, thanks mubashir55. will let you know how i get on with the rest.? Even a mentally retard person would show a better understanding than him. And you love him!!!
Now I will give you the the reasons (baby steps) for citing those verses
2173 tells us that we are to learn salat, zakat, and other religious rites from imam. And you and people like you would violate this verse and say we know better than the imams we will tell you how to perform salat and other religious rite. We have the master book ?root meaning dictionary? where we find all the explanation of the Quranic verses. Even though the Quran does not say that you will learn salat from the Quran, our root meaning dictionary override the Quran and says this is it.
With your approach you would have argued with Prophet Muhammad regarding salat and other rites if you were living at that time. You would have said to Prophet Muhammad that he was doing the salat wrong because the Quran does not tell us to do it this way. And your timing is wrong as well, you shall perform salat 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ....times a day.
And if you were living after prophet Muhammad died (within 30 years or so), you would have said the same thing to the follower of Prophet Muhammad who has learned to perform salat from Prophet Muhammad.
This is the absurdity you and your friends are propagating here. You can never succeed.
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How would you know it is the ninth moon?
With this question he implying the following
- Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not know when the ninth moon was i.e. when the Ramadan is.
- For certain, Prophet Muhammad knew when the Ramadan month was and the night of destiny
- WayFinder wants us to believe that Prophet Muhammad did not know it and hence his follower did not know it. Otherwise why would he ask such a foolish question.
- The reference point has been established by Prophet Muhammad which has been propagated to us via continuity and blessings of Allah
- Only the wicked people will disregard the truth.
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guest to Ayisha
But you rejoice whenever someone twist the meaning of a verse and produce a devilish interpretation to it. You leave crystal clear evidence of it in your writing. The latest example being in the Dr. Qamar's Haqeeqat...thread ?Downloaded both and have read introduction only on fasting. I like this guy already, thanks mubashir55. will let you know how i get on with the rest.? Even a mentally retard person would show a better understanding than him. And you love him!!!
That was just classic bravo
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2173 - We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat). To us, they were devoted worshipers.
3224 - We appointed from among them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, because they steadfastly persevered and attained certainty about our revelations.
7179 - We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse - they are totally unaware.
was there a point to this post or was it just to remind us all you're still here not answering anything?
apart from the last line, that was your quote.
You seem to be at a lost whenever straight forward Quranic verses are quoted. You fail to grasp the meaning of it in the context of the discussion at hand. But you rejoice whenever someone twist the meaning of a verse and produce a devilish interpretation to it. You leave crystal clear evidence of it in your writing. The latest example being in the Dr. Qamar's Haqeeqat...thread ?Downloaded both and have read introduction only on fasting. I like this guy already, thanks mubashir55. will let you know how i get on with the rest.? Even a mentally retard person would show a better understanding than him. And you love him!!!
You seem to be at a loss that what you quoted had nothing to do with the discussion at hand. You fail to grasp the context of the verses you posted.
I am glad that I have got up your nose to the point you are now searching my posts to find something to twist and say your hadith on though. I had read the introduction and liked it, it doesnt mean I have read all of it and 'loved him' so that is another thing you have publicly twisted.
Now I will give you the the reasons (baby steps) for citing those verses
2173 tells us that we are to learn salat, zakat, and other religious rites from imam. And you and people like you would violate this verse and say we know better than the imams we will tell you how to perform salat and other religious rite. We have the master book ?root meaning dictionary? where we find all the explanation of the Quranic verses. Even though the Quran does not say that you will learn salat from the Quran, our root meaning dictionary override the Quran and says this is it.
Now I will attempt to teach you what you seem to be blind to.
21.73 is talking about Isaac and Jacob, not the imam in the local Mosque showing you how to pray. It is wise to check previous verse to see the context of the verse you are claiming means something totally different. The Imams are the prophetsWith your approach you would have argued with Prophet Muhammad regarding salat and other rites if you were living at that time. You would have said to Prophet Muhammad that he was doing the salat wrong because the Quran does not tell us to do it this way. And your timing is wrong as well, you shall perform salat 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ....times a day.
And if you were living after prophet Muhammad died (within 30 years or so), you would have said the same thing to the follower of Prophet Muhammad who has learned to perform salat from Prophet Muhammad.
This shows you up so much.This is the absurdity you and your friends are propagating here. You can never succeed.
Then why is it you and your friends that cannot ever answer a straight question?
Now lets look at your other verses you have given in your attempt to have some other book and hadith other than God's followed.
32.24, please refer to 32.23 and you will see it relates to the people of Moses and the prophets given to them.
7.179 tells about people like yourself, more misguided than cattle and totally unaware.
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How would you know it is the ninth moon?
With this question he implying the following
- Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not know when the ninth moon was i.e. when the Ramadan is.
- For certain, Prophet Muhammad knew when the Ramadan month was and the night of destiny
- WayFinder wants us to believe that Prophet Muhammad did not know it and hence his follower did not know it. Otherwise why would he ask such a foolish question.
- The reference point has been established by Prophet Muhammad which has been propagated to us via continuity and blessings of Allah
- Only the wicked people will disregard the truth.
the great logical deductions again!
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No it doesnt, It reinforces what has been written many times that you seem totally blind to or possibly do not have the ability to understand what is being said. Baby steps for you
-the c a l e n d a r that was in use at the time of the prophet was not the islamic one used now -
the prophet would definitely have known when it was and how to know it. He was the one that got the message when using the calendar at that time, not the one used now. the lunar calendar used now was brought into force after the prophets death
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No that is not what wayfinder is saying nor is anyone else. Nor is it a foolish question considering all the new things that have been brought into Islam since the death of the prophet. What is foolish is to think that nothing has changed since his death, even when what you are looking at as proof wasnt there a few hundred years after his death. Think hundreds of years, not one or 2. Within days of Moses and his brother preaching God's message to his people they started worshipping a calf! D A Y S. Within weeks or months of the prophet's death there were more than 12 different sects! What is foolish is not even seeing this or considering the possibility and being lazy enough just to assume the ones that teach you know the right stuff and following that regardless because you feel comfortable in that cattle mode blindly following what you are told and not having to devote any brain time on it.
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The reference point was established by Allah and followed by Muhammed, after his death they changed the calendar and it is not followed now. The continuity it by saying 'its ramadan now' as the ramadan period the prophet followed was ramadan then and for over 1300 years at a loss of 11 days a year between calendar then and calendar now is a quite out of sync with when God says it was and Muhammed followed.
Really I am trying to explain this in very simple terms, sorry if it's gone right over your head but if you used your brain more it would work better. It is like any other part of your body and needs exercise.
- I absolutely 100% agree with you.