9/11 Burning Of Quran Must Go On!
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This will be my last post on the subject as you rightly indicated we are moving away from the thread's title.
I will like to start with the quote of Ayisha
I am not saying Alen is right, and he knows that, but Alen called no one Kafir.
Now I will show you what you really meant
Alen
When Rashad Khalifa called sunnah and hadeeth satanic innovations, he was actually right about that.
Wahabis mean business. Evil business.
sunnah and hadeeth are not Islamic and are totally against The Qur'an.
I'd compare hadeeth to Qur'an and show the non-muslims why I am a mulsim and sunnis aren't.
Alen
There were cases where christians have actually asked me if beard is compulsory (I shave) and I'd tell them that beards are not even Islamic nor Quranic let alone obligatory. Then the eyebrows react, they go silent and debate begins. Believe me, true conversation is open, Thank God and violence is never on anyone's mind. We talk like brothers and I also believe it would accelerate the process of Truth being increased, God willing.
The above quotes about Sunnis and Christians makes clear what he thinks about both
Christians as brothers, who are ranked highest in promoting Shirk
Sunnis as Non-Muslims, who believe in Muhammad peace is upon him and Quran.Therefore it is very clear when you call Sunnis Non Muslims you are not referring to them as Ahle-Kitab, you are referring to them as Kaffirs. When you refer to Ahle-Kitab you refer to them as "Brothers" and when you refer to Sunni's you refer to them as "followers of Satan" as quoted above.
and now which makes it very clear what you think of them
AlenThis is why I keep saying that Qur'an should not be burned but studied even more and we must tlak to sunnis maybe more then with non-muslims because non-muslims accept Islam and The Qur'an despite terrorism and explosions and honor killings and suicide bombers but sunnis
See it is quite clear, Sunni's are different from NON-Muslims in your eyes. Non Muslims are better then Sunni's and you have given reasons for that.
If you would have just committed your mistake, instead retaliating after being pumped up by Ayisha it would have just increased your credibility.
Thanks.
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Now I will show you what you really meant
I do NOT need you to tell me what I really meant, please refrain from taking it upon yourself to do that again, I meant what I said and what I said was right whether you like that or not! For you to then search for quotes and put them together like that shows what you really meant and that you did not like being exposed yet again for twisting what someone had said.
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i dont understand how this thread about people wronging Islam has turned in to muslims arguing and fighting with each other. words like extremist are thrown in to our everyday lives to give muslims a bad name we really should refrain from using it so loosely and its none of our place to say whos muslim or not. If someone calls them self one only God can be the judge of that.
Humilities bad nature of dividing is creeping in to our 'non sectarian' way of life....How ironic.
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i dont understand how this thread about people wronging Islam has turned in to muslims arguing and fighting with each other. words like extremist are thrown in to our everyday lives to give muslims a bad name we really should refrain from using it so loosely and its none of our place to say whos muslim or not. If someone calls them self one only God can be the judge of that.
Humilities bad nature of dividing is creeping in to our 'non sectarian' way of life....How ironic.
You're absolutely Right. I aplogise if I offended anyone and let's stay with the topic.
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i dont understand how this thread about people wronging Islam has turned in to muslims arguing and fighting with each other. words like extremist are thrown in to our everyday lives to give muslims a bad name we really should refrain from using it so loosely and its none of our place to say whos muslim or not. If someone calls them self one only God can be the judge of that.
Humilities bad nature of dividing is creeping in to our 'non sectarian' way of life....How ironic.
You are right, GOD will judge who is or is not a muslim and according to HIS WORD (the Quran)and NOT my word anyone who divides themselves into sects or follows any source of guidence alongside the Quran is NOT completley submitting there will to GOD, as in
muslim = someone who peacefully and completey submits their will to almighty GOD
Remember this is according to GOD'S WORD and NOT mine.
As for going off topic, you have Rajaah to thank for that becuase until he started falsely accusing Alen of using the word "kuffir" to describe Sunni's and Shia's, we were sticking to the subject.
You said that we should refrain from using words like "extremist" loosley, well thats only applies if peoples views are not extremist and if anyone whether so-called muslim or non-muslim has extremist views why should we refrain from saying so???
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Burning of the Quran and smearing it with feces did occur but thank God the news didn't spread. It happened at the mosque that I used to go to many years ago. Something positive did come out as it did unify people from across the board to stand up and say, hey this is beyond wrong.
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Burning of the Quran and smearing it with feces did occur but thank God the news didn't spread. It happened at the mosque that I used to go to many years ago. Something positive did come out as it did unify people from across the board to stand up and say, hey this is beyond wrong.
Now if the people who did what was highlighted in bold are'nt extremists then what should we call them then ???
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It had to go on and it went on, actually exposing the extremists on both sides.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WaB2GH88js
But the million dollar question is why he stopped short of Burning Quran? can any one shed some light on it?
George
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george
I have, and I have yet to find where Alen used the word "kuffir" anywhere in the thread.
Just read reply # 55, I just don't want to repeat it again and
Alen
I aplogise if I offended anyone and let's stay with the topic.
Now if you like to answer
Why he stopped short of Burning Quran?, what made him change his mind?
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Going through this thread and "reply 55" I think the issue can be identified. Let's examine a post from someone
May be Munafiq is a harsh word, but Mazhar is correct in pointing out, that those who feel discomfort with Muhammad Peace be upon's name are not true believers.
Give the example to follow above we can say perhaps Maybe stupid is a harsh word but they aren't intelligent at all.
Mayhap this Maybe Kafir is a harsh word but those who feel discomfort with the quran are not true believers.Think it, imply it and insidiously salt and pepper it around our posts but don't say it. In which case, "reply 55" shouldn't be an issue since no one said "kafir" and it aligns with what someone preaches/believes in as pointed out. If someone contests it still, it's just hypocrisy or in other words, not practising what they preach. Maybe it's just to argue, who knows.
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Ayisha
nail squarely on head Ms carrot
But on who's head? look out
Did you just call me stupid?
No, I just said you aren't intelligent.Did he called Sunni's Kaffir?
No, he just said they were followers of "SATAN"
No, he just said they were "NON MUSLIMS"
No, he just said that "MUSHRIKS" were better then Sunnis.Did he called them Kaffirs?
No!Go sell your medicine somewhere else, command in English language does not make you appear any wiser.
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Peace all,
While Obama and Robert Gates stopped Rev. Terry Jones from burning the Book of Truth, little was seen by the world that it actually happened in Tennessee.
http//www.tennessean.com/article/20100912/NEWS01/9120333/2-ministers-burn-Quran-in-Tennessee-backyard
When I read the news and decided to post it here, I feel sad not because of the burning. When I read the news, I asked myself, "If a president could stop the much coverage attentions of Rev. Terry Jones, why would God let the two reverends to carry out this act?"
This is what Rev. Old said when he burns the Book of Truth,
"This is a book of hate, not a book of love," Old said, holding the Quran, before setting it afire. "It's a false book, it's a false prophet (Muhammad) and it's false Scripture."
This only shows to me of what had been portrayed to the world by those who claimed they are the keepers of the Book of Truth. Is this a sign from God of things to come? Each person will have their own views with this but all I can say is don't ever stop studying and learning the Truth from God alone. Only God through the Book of Truth can show and prove to each of us the Truth and nothing but the Truth. pr
Peace.
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george
Just read reply # 55, I just don't want to repeat it again andI have, now maybe you should re-read it.
Therefore it is very clear when you call Sunnis Non Muslims you are not referring to them as Ahle-Kitab, you are referring to them as Kaffirs. When you refer to Ahle-Kitab you refer to them as "Brothers" and when you refer to Sunni's you refer to them as "followers of Satan" as quoted above.
From the above quote it is you and not Alen who has used that word.
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Peace,
Respect.I'd say that the man stopped with the stunt because he gave it some heavy thought and relised that if ghe goes on with his stunt, God forbid, then certain people will go on with their own stunts and we know how that will be. No one wants that, honestly.
I'm grateful to God that he came to his senses and I was also wondering why now at the 9th anniversary of the attacks, why not 1st, 5th or tenth, why now? But never mind, it doesn't matter anymore, the important thing is that this thing takes a fast train to past.
God bless you.
Peace.