Wind could have parted Red Sea for Moses
-
http//uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100921/tsc-environment-us-redsea-011ccfa.html
Salam,
Thought of sharing but now confused.......after reading it.
-
Moses was never in Egypt. PERIOD.
There is absolutely ZERO physical/archeological/hierogliphical evidence of there ever having been "Israelites" in Egypt.
Professors and doctors of archeology in Israel have been saying this since the 1960's.
1- The word "Misr" in the QUran does NOT mean Egypt.
2- There is no mention of pyramids ANYWHERE in the Old Testament.
3- There is ZERO physical / archeological evidence in Egypt that proves its ancient rulers were called "Pharaos".
4- There is no mention of Moses or Israelites in any hirogliphical writing ever unearthed in Egypt.
5- The word "Bahr" in the QUran does NOT mean "sea". It means simply "a body of water" (which may very well be a river).
6- The word "yamm" in the Quran does NOT mean sea. It means a fast current (like a water-filled valley basin, which the army of Pharaoh drowned in).
7- The descriptions of the settings in the stories of the OT, whether true stories or legends, does not macth the geography of Palestine. They are more akin to a much larger , mountainous, and volcanic region with many rivers.
8- During the time that the Quran was revealed, the name of the Nile country was NOT "Misr". The land was called "Biladul' Qibt", which was later rendered to "Land of the Gibts" (hence E-Gyptus, or Egypt).
9- The first Arab ruler to name the Nile Country as "Misr" was during the Fatimid dynasty of the Abbasid Era. When the Arabs annexed the Nile country and established the Fatimid state there, they assumed that the "Pharoih" mentioned in the Quran was there, because of the grandeur of the ruins they found. Hence the name "Misr" has ever since been associated with Egypt.
10- The word "misr" in the Quran is not a proper noun. It's a common noun, meaning "walled or fortified town". Its plural form is "amsar". Arabic speakers can easily verify this. The so-called "Muslim Historians" hyjacked the word from the Quran, turned it into a proper name, and claimed "Misr = Egypt".
11- The sectarian Muslims are the greatest hypocrites and enemies of God and the Quran in history.
12- The Sectarian Muslims read the Quran like zombies, without paying attention to what it says. The Quran tells them that after Pharaoh and his legions drowned in the valley basin, God made the Israelites inherotors of that same land, for a time.
Care to read?
{We thus took vengeance upon them by drowning them in a fast current (of water), for their denial of Our signs, and their disregard of them * And We let the people who were persecuted inherit the east of the land and the west of it which We have blessed. And the good word of your Lord was completed towards the Children of Israel for their patience; and We destroyed what Pharaoh and his people were doing, and what they contrived.}....
The above verses are telling us, in words that are as clear a the sun, that the Israelites INHERITED the land AFTER pharaoh's reign came to a watery end.
Answer me this Is there any proof od the Israelites ever having ruled Egypt???
There was never any Isrelites in Egypt. The Exodus was never from Egypt. The kingship of Solomon and David was never in Palestine.
These events happened IN ARABIA. They happened in the volcanic, mountainous regions of Asir, which stretches from the southernmost reaches of the Hijaz, all the way to the borders of Yemen. It's all right there, under the feet of the Wahabis who rule Saudi Arabia. These Wahabis ahev completely sealed the entire region, and do not allow any archeological digs there, since 1985.
Your entire history is a lie.
Peace...
-
Salam,
very interesting, Pazuzu....
and yes, same question as Mushu...?
I read an article years before about ancient Kaabah. I'm not sure whether its true. Let's see what does Pazuzu says abt it.
-
1- The word "Misr" in the QUran does NOT mean Egypt.
Interesting reading their life stories with archers/chariots prized and of course beautiful women...
Amarna letters/tablets (1350s ? 1330s BCE)
http//www.specialtyinterests.net/eae.htmlRib Addi to a chief
EA#95 vd(53) mentions Aman and Baalat of Gubla; mentions houses, Amri, Adi-, king of Mt, Ami; says `Let g (sar) of Eypt (Miisri) sen hs deputy to me'Amenophis III to Milkili
EA#31a gc(32) tells Milkili that he sent to him Hania, commander of the archers (translated from `sabe p?-t?-ti', 40 beautiful women and all sorts of gifts for 60 tiban; wants in return also beautiful womenpeace
-
5- The word "Bahr" in the QUran does NOT mean "sea". It means simply "a body of water" (which may very well be a river).
6- The word "yamm" in the Quran does NOT mean sea. It means a fast current (like a water-filled valley basin, which the army of Pharaoh drowned in).
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.050d.gif
And recall/visualize when We made distinct/emerged , for you, the sea/gulf of Suez ,the red underlined verb cannot be used with reference to a river.
Word by Word 250
Did Musa { } make passage in river Nile or Red Sea? {URDU}
-
8- During the time that the Quran was revealed, the name of the Nile country was NOT "Misr". The land was called "Biladul' Qibt", which was later rendered to "Land of the Gibts" (hence E-Gyptus, or Egypt).
9- The first Arab ruler to name the Nile Country as "Misr" was during the Fatimid dynasty of the Abbasid Era. When the Arabs annexed the Nile country and established the Fatimid state there, they assumed that the "Pharoih" mentioned in the Quran was there, because of the grandeur of the ruins they found. Hence the name "Misr" has ever since been associated with Egypt.
10- The word "misr" in the Quran is not a proper noun. It's a common noun, meaning "walled or fortified town". Its plural form is "amsar". Arabic speakers can easily verify this. The so-called "Muslim Historians" hyjacked the word from the Quran, turned it into a proper name, and claimed "Misr = Egypt".
11- The sectarian Muslims are the greatest hypocrites and enemies of God and the Quran in history.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/043.%20Az%20Zukhraf/43.51.gif
And Fir'aoun/Pharaoh circulated proclamation/address in his Nation, he said,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/043.%20Az%20Zukhraf/43.51a.gif
"O my countrymen/nation, is the state of Egypt not for me, and this streams of water flowing by my side/underneath,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/28.72b.gif
will you people still not see/focus ?"Surat 43
-
Exodus 1421 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided,
22 and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.
23 The Egyptians pursued them, and all Pharaoh's horses and chariots and horsemen followed them into the sea.
24 During the last watch of the night the LORD looked down from the pillar of fire and cloud at the Egyptian army and threw it into confusion.
25 He made the wheels of their chariots come off so that they had difficulty driving. And the Egyptians said, "Let's get away from the Israelites! The LORD is fighting for them against Egypt."
26 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may flow back over the Egyptians and their chariots and horsemen."
27 Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and at daybreak the sea went back to its place. The Egyptians were fleeing toward it, and the LORD swept them into the sea.
28 The water flowed back and covered the chariots and horsemen?the entire army of Pharaoh that had followed the Israelites into the sea. Not one of them survived.
29 But the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.
30 That day the LORD saved Israel from the hands of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians lying dead on the shore.
31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the LORD displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the LORD and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant.
It was the red sea that was crossed to Sinai from roughly where port Suez is now.
-
Mazhar, I think what Pazuzu has said is that "misr" in the Qur'an doesn't necessarily mean Egypt. The nile country was apparently first called Misr during the Abbasid kingdom.
Ayisha, do you know what word is used in the Hebrew for Egypt in the verses you've quoted? Not that it would really make a difference to what the Quran says, but I'm curious as to whether Egypt was later used to refer to the Hebrew word in those verses.
-
Mazhar, I think what Pazuzu has said is that "misr" in the Qur'an doesn't necessarily mean Egypt. The nile country was apparently first called Misr during the Abbasid kingdom.
Ayisha, do you know what word is used in the Hebrew for Egypt in the verses you've quoted? Not that it would really make a difference to what the Quran says, but I'm curious as to whether Egypt was later used to refer to the Hebrew word in those verses.
Mitzrayim
-
Mitzrayim is obviously a semetic word and thus must come from a root word too. So like the Arabic misr, it doesn't necessarily have to refer to the Nile country at all.
For Pazazu's theory to hold, we would have to assume the early Jews wrongly assigned the word mitzrayim to the Nile country and the Muslims continued on this mistake.
-
Mitzrayim is obviously a semetic word and thus must come from a root word too. So like the Arabic misr, it doesn't necessarily have to refer to the Nile country at all.
For Pazazu's theory to hold, we would have to assume the early Jews wrongly assigned the word mitzrayim to the Nile country and the Muslims continued on this mistake.
the 'im' on the end means something in Hebrew which I can't remember right now.
Egypt was also called the land of Ham in the bible, Ham being the son of Noah. Ham's son, and Noah's grandson was Mizraim, his brothers were named Cush, Put and Canaan. The name of Egypt in the Bible is from Noah's grandson.
Gen 1013 Mizraim was the father of
the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites, Naphtuhites, 14 Pathrusites, Casluhites (from whom the Philistines came) and Caphtorites.15 Canaan was the father of
Sidon his firstborn, and of the Hittites, 16 Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, 17 Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, 18 Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites.
Later the Canaanite clans scattered 19 and the borders of Canaan reached from Sidon toward Gerar as far as Gaza, and then toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.The Greeks gave Egypt the name Agyptos. It has also been called Kemet, meaning black land. The Egyptians descended from Noah's grandson Mizraim.
-
the 'im' on the end means something in Hebrew which I can't remember right now.
I'm pretty sure it denotes the plural form.
Egypt was also called the land of Ham in the bible, Ham being the son of Noah. Ham's son, and Noah's grandson was Mizraim, his brothers were named Cush, Put and Canaan. The name of Egypt in the Bible is from Noah's grandson.
The Egyptians descended from Noah's grandson Mizraim.Even here though, how do you know the Jews correctly understood what the land of Ham was? The Bible says there is a land of Ham and a place called Mitzrayim, but what's to say these actually refer to the Nile country?
-
Mazhar, I think what Pazuzu has said is that "misr" in the Qur'an doesn't necessarily mean Egypt. The nile country was apparently first called Misr during the Abbasid kingdom.
Ayisha, do you know what word is used in the Hebrew for Egypt in the verses you've quoted? Not that it would really make a difference to what the Quran says, but I'm curious as to whether Egypt was later used to refer to the Hebrew word in those verses.
It may be of interest for you and Ayisha
http//www.tajdeed.org/article.aspx?id=10334
-
I'm pretty sure it denotes the plural form.
yes, Egypt is a dual country and always has been Upper and Lower Egypt, the 2 Kingdoms.Even here though, how do you know the Jews correctly understood what the land of Ham was? The Bible says there is a land of Ham and a place called Mitzrayim, but what's to say these actually refer to the Nile country?
The word Pharaoh. Par'oh in Hebrew. There has only ever been Pharaoh in Egypt. There is also proof of a famine in Egypt as per Genesis. Much of the Torah speak of the River in Egypt, at one point it was turned to blood, another it was full of frogs and another all the fish died, there was no such year round river in Arabia. The Nile river is the only source of water for Egypt to survive.
You ask "how do you know the Jews correctly understood what the land of Ham was?" which is a bit like asking how did Muhammed know things that were revealed to him. I am talking from the Torah, not from the Jews, just as Quran is from God and not from Muhammed.
-
{We thus took vengeance upon them by drowning them in a fast current (of water), for their denial of Our signs, and their disregard of them * And We let the people who were persecuted inherit the east of the land and the west of it which We have blessed. And the good word of your Lord was completed towards the Children of Israel for their patience; and We destroyed what Pharaoh and his people were doing, and what they contrived.}....
The above verses are telling us, in words that are as clear a the sun, that the Israelites INHERITED the land AFTER pharaoh's reign came to a watery end.
Answer me this Is there any proof od the Israelites ever having ruled Egypt???
There was never any Isrelites in Egypt. The Exodus was never from Egypt. The kingship of Solomon and David was never in Palestine.
These events happened IN ARABIA. They happened in the volcanic, mountainous regions of Asir, which stretches from the southernmost reaches of the Hijaz, all the way to the borders of Yemen. It's all right there, under the feet of the Wahabis who rule Saudi Arabia. These Wahabis ahev completely sealed the entire region, and do not allow any archeological digs there, since 1985.
Your entire history is a lie.
Peace...
Is there any proof of the Israelites ever having ruled Arabia??
-
{We thus took vengeance upon them by drowning them in a fast current (of water), for their denial of Our signs, and their disregard of them * And We let the people who were persecuted inherit the east of the land and the west of it which We have blessed. And the good word of your Lord was completed towards the Children of Israel for their patience; and We destroyed what Pharaoh and his people were doing, and what they contrived.}....
The above verses are telling us, in words that are as clear a the sun, that the Israelites INHERITED the land AFTER pharaoh's reign came to a watery end.
Answer me this Is there any proof od the Israelites ever having ruled Egypt???
Is there any proof of the Israelites ever having ruled Arabia??
But in the first instance, where is the word "ruled Egypt" in the Ayat quoted?
-
It may be of interest for you and Ayisha
http//www.tajdeed.org/article.aspx?id=10334
Thanks Mazhar I am reading through it, although there is a supposed quote by Dr Zahi Hawass that then searched is ONLY found in this paper on the whole internet. Considering he is THE expert on the antiquities here, if he said that then it would be elsewhere. Saying that, the Pharaoh of Moses time has not been confirmed and was only suspected to be Ramses II because of his long reign.
Also this is saying about translating proper names like Musa and Misr, Musa/Moses is Moshe in Hebrew. If this all came from Arabia then it means both Coptic and Hebrew and even Aramaic were spoken in Arabia at this time, so I'm not convinced yet but I will keep reading.