The Stoning of Soraya M
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Has anyone here watched the Stoning of Soraya M movie? I just saw it today and was extremely shocked. I can't believe people think this is Islamic.
Here's a link to the stoning scene, but don't watch if you are faint-hearted
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpYJnm2KWRY
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Salaam. Yes I have seen it ( Unfortunately it happens and I think that is why the film is so darn frightening - not only because it did happen, but because it does happen! This is what can occur when people, who are prone to selfishness and are far from perfect don't seek the truth and the whole system is skewed so that it can easily be abused. It was such a dramatic film in the way it portrayed the build up to what happened...it was like a ticking bomb. So sad. InshAllah this sort of thing can be stamped out big time - neither women or men should not have to be treated like that; they certainly should not have to die like that whether innocent of what they are accused of or not.
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Salaam Wakas. I've been on that misconceptions site before just a couple of weeks ago - excellent explanations on there. I really needed something like that particularly as I have been fed the majority view for quite a while now. It's a good place to send people when they have those kind of questions about Islamic belief too.
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http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/stoning-to-death-adultery.htm
Salam Wakas.
Thank you so much for this link. It helped calm me a bit. I've been against stoning all my life, but ever since I saw that movie I've been in shock. I just couldn't believe that my faith would sanction something horrible like that.
After I watched this movie I talked to a Muslim friend and he said that stoning is permitted in Islam. His rational was that adultery is a horrible sin and it is better to be punished for it here on earth rather than suffer for it in hell. He said that the prolonged and slow suffering that a person goes through during the stoning atones for their sins. I just don't buy it. If they must punish her, then they could just choose a quick and painless method of execution.
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You may be interested to know the history of stoning in Islam has a controversial but interesting past. For example, as Joseph Schacht explains, many of the "shariah" laws came from many sources, Jewish, Christian, Roman, tribal etc and were later given Islamic justification. I am not sure if Schacht mentions stoning specifically, but John Burton introduces a very interesting hypothesis. He says that later jurists had trouble reconciling later practice with what was in The Quran, so they had to invent the story about stoning verse being eaten by a goat or destroyed etc BUT not only that, because if they invented this story, they'd have to ensure the compilation of The Quran was made to look to have taken place AFTER prophet Muhamamd's death, so whilst many look at the traditional sources and say there is contradictions/disagreement about the compilation of The Quran, John Burton makes the case they are in perfect agreement their sole function was the deliberate exclusion of prophet Muhammad as its compiler.
I do not agree with everything he writes in his book but it is interesting, you can get it here
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If they must punish her, then they could just choose a quick and painless method of execution.
The whole idea of killing someone for having sex is BIZARRE and people who propagate those ideas are sick bastards.
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The whole idea of killing someone for having sex is BIZARRE and people who propagate those ideas are sick bastards.
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I so agree Leyna. I have spoken with people who truly believe in these laws too and it's so weird to hear their views. It's like they don't believe that people might actually ''refrain'' from having sex outside of marriage unless threatened with death!
Now, I do realise that sex is a strong urge AND I totally agree that marriage is important and must be protected, but, to need to be threatened with stoning? Come on!
I always think too - what if it was my child, a friend, my husband...myself who got into a situation like this. Would I want any of them stoned? NO. Ok, so maybe with my husband I would want to do the killing myself (just kidding, seriously, just kidding lol). I bet many Muslims today who believe in these laws would do a quick 180degree switch if it were their child, sibling, parent or good friend who was suddenly accused (rightly or wrongly).
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Sick people; satanic people came into our religion 300 years after the messenger dies and after the islamic empire civilisation was winning the hearts of all the world , there was no other way to stop them except by corrupting their teachings , and sadly they succeded, i am a sunni and honestly i staart to feel ibn kathir, tabari and bukhari were satanic people for they're the people who inserted in our history about companions killing each other and all imaginary bloody wars, they succeded in turning us into sects and corrputed our religion to make muslims becoming religiou people, looking for rituals and ignoring the quran, for the quran doesn't instruct us on rituals, excep salat wich i'm not sure it's aritual, and fasting wich is healthy for the bpdy, anyway, I start to feel bukhari, tabari and ibn kathir weren't doing it innocently, for u have to be an idiot to write crap on the most honored people like they did
Funny thing is, there's documents in Spain, andalussia, that says Ali was a khalifa until he dies, hassan was a khalifa wo died sick from a disease, and his brother hussein who ruled and get killed by a man who was ' PERSIAN just like tabari and ibn kathir' , sorry for iranian people who are reading this, the funny think iss, in these documents it is mentionned the hassan and hussein were brothers, but none says that they were Ali's children nor any of them says anything about Fatima , it is weird, i know all documents from baghdad and damascus disappeared, but spain andalussia was far away from them peace, salam
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Peace,
I watched it too..
I was traumatised and cried alot when I saw that..The conspiracy behind..How they misuse the Quranic verses.It was all so horrible.
I wonder what they take women for. They are so crual and barbarians
I even share the same Soraya.. -
Has anyone here watched the Stoning of Soraya M movie? I just saw it today and was extremely shocked. I can't believe people think this is Islamic.
Here's a link to the stoning scene, but don't watch if you are faint-hearted
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpYJnm2KWRY
They need The Qur'an. Now!
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But it's not enough Alen, better to listen to joe bloggs who said fred gibbons said that dave smith said that pete clark said he heard the prophet say something totally different to what Allah said.
You prepare your jokes in advance or it's pure improvisation ?
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100% natural, just rolls off. Would you think it less a joke if I used 'Islamic' names like Ahmed, hassan, Ali,etc? Doesn't take anything away from the truth in my comment though.
It won't loose from its fun but hassan ali ahmed are too common , I count on your imagination to find more funny ones like zanjabil ibn el chalabouchi -. ones that sound impressives.
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It won't loose from its fun but hassan ali ahmed are too common , I count on your imagination to find more funny ones like zanjabil ibn el chalabouchi -. ones that sound impressives.
ok I'll give it a go.
How about Abu Homar, Fifi bint el maryalah, ibn Raace, Abu Kabreet, Abu Motahere
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Salam Wakas.
Thank you so much for this link. It helped calm me a bit. I've been against stoning all my life, but ever since I saw that movie I've been in shock. I just couldn't believe that my faith would sanction something horrible like that.
After I watched this movie I talked to a Muslim friend and he said that stoning is permitted in Islam. His rational was that adultery is a horrible sin and it is better to be punished for it here on earth rather than suffer for it in hell. He said that the prolonged and slow suffering that a person goes through during the stoning atones for their sins. I just don't buy it. If they must punish her, then they could just choose a quick and painless method of execution.
This upsets me very much. No matter how many websites cite how stoning and other horrendous sayings and practices encouraged by hadith are misconceptions, none of it matters when so many Muslims believe in them to be true and follow them. This makes them not misconceptions, but blatant truths to all who view Islam from the outside, especially Americans who are being trained by the media to view Muslims as bloodthirsty slavering savages. When I view Islam from a quran-only perspective, I get a view of a righteous people who strive for good and forbid what is wrong. But holding these beliefs makes me disgusting, and even deserving of death by many of my fellow traditional Muslims. It breaks my heart to see how successful shaitan has been in corrupting Allah's way with the hadith. Sometimes I feel like all is lost for traditional Islam on the whole, and that all I can do is silently endure on my own until death.
