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What is Al-Kitab?

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    Mazhar
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    Please give your take. Wright has only translated established rules of Arabic grammar in English, not a book of interpertation of Quranic text. You have my take with examples based upon established rules with referances. Please give your take with evidence, reason and logic. Thanks.

    Badar

    I had suggested a second read of Wright for your this observation

    In this word in Quranic text, there is a Medda or Matta. When at the beginning of a syllable, an alif with hemza and fetha ( &#1614 is followed by an alif with hemza and gezmma ( &#1618 then the two are commonly represented in writting by a single alif with medda, example,

    is written as (Ref A Grammar of the Arabic Language Reprint 1975; William Wright, paperback, vol.1 page 25)

    This is so written only in Office software. In Arabic Text of Qur'aan you will not find it written like this.

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      This is so written only in Office software. In Arabic Text of Qur'aan you will not find it written like this.

      Dear, which copy of Quran you are looking at?

      Can you recognise these few verses, just a cut and past from open burhan site. Lot more with same script and orthography.

      Badar

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        You did nothing except confirming what I said earlier about software "Office". Now see the correct text

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00022.%20Yomenoons%20Hamza%20Meem%20Noon%20believe/2.gif Verb Perfect; First person; Plural; ; + Subject Pronoun First Person; Plural. - Verbal Noun-(1)208(2)214(3)276(4)2136(5)307(6)316(7)352(353(9)383(10)3119(11)541(12)559(13)561(14)583(15)5111(16)7121 (17)7126(12070(19)2073(20)23109(21)2447(22)2647(23)2853(24)2902(25)2510(26)2946(27)3452(24084(29)4914(30)6729 (31)7212=31

        Word by Word 208

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          You did nothing except confirming what I said earlier about software "Office". Now see the correct text

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00022.%20Yomenoons%20Hamza%20Meem%20Noon%20believe/2.gif Verb Perfect; First person; Plural; ; + Subject Pronoun First Person; Plural. - Verbal Noun-(1)208(2)214(3)276(4)2136(5)307(6)316(7)352(353(9)383(10)3119(11)541(12)559(13)561(14)583(15)5111(16)7121 (17)7126(12070(19)2073(20)23109(21)2447(22)2647(23)2853(24)2902(25)2510(26)2946(27)3452(24084(29)4914(30)6729 (31)7212=31

          Word by Word 208

          Dear Mazhar, why are you beating arround the bush? You know it very well, what I mean.

          Peace,

          Badar

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            Mazhar
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            Dear Mazhar, why are you beating arround the bush? You know it very well, what I mean.

            Peace,

            Badar

            First decide which word is the correct one, the one you pasted or the one I have pasted.

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              First decide which word is the correct one, the one you pasted or the one I have pasted.

              It seems like you have already decided. What is right and what is wrong? It seems also as usual, you are not willing to heed to any other reason or logic. I am sure; you know well, it is only issue of "Kursi", of Hemza, only mater of writing method/orthography. Mostly, with fetha as vowel over Hemza is written, over an alif. Two sucessive hemza with fetha over an alif, followed by another Hemza with fetha or sukun over another alif, can be written in three different orthographic forms. One is which, Wright has cited and explained, referred in my earlier post. But I am sure you would have reasons not to understand these well known and established rules as well.

              Badar

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                Two sucessive hemza with fetha over an alif, followed by another Hemza with fetha or sukun over another alif, can be written in three different orthographic forms. One is which, Wright has cited and explained, referred in my earlier post.

                But where are sucessive hamza with faha seated over alif in the word quoted?

                And remember Madda has nothing to do with successive hamza story. It is always placed on a letter followed by vowelled hamza to make the hamza audible for the listner. Madda sign reflects only stretching of sound, also literal meanings of the word.

                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00022.%20Yomenoons%20Hamza%20Meem%20Noon%20believe/2.gif

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                  But where are sucessive hamza with faha seated over alif in the word quoted?

                  And remember Madda has nothing to do with successive hamza story. It is always placed on a letter followed by vowelled hamza to make the hamza audible for the listner. Madda sign reflects only stretching of sound, also literal meanings of the word.

                  Most certainly, looks perfect from people, who made the most precious gift of knowledge to a mere article of vocalization only. No need to understand. Get all the Sawab by murmering it.

                  Badar

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                    Most certainly, looks perfect from people, who made the most precious gift of knowledge to a mere article of vocalization only. No need to understand. Get all the Sawab by murmering it.

                    Badar

                    This is your old habit. When you have nothing to say when confronted with realities, you make an escape with such meaningless remarks. You also call that sign Madda and then naively ignore its meanings while not finding any successive hamza seated upon Alif in the word quoted on which you were basing your proposition. Why don't you attend to that?

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                      Here is the linguistic analysis of the word AlKitab.

                      is a verbal noun, a masdar and a plural fractus as well. Additonally, it is Marafa. Muaraf bil Lam. You could call it a proper noun for lake of better explanation in English. But it is really to narrow the scope of the noun to a know thing. It is at the measure of verbal noun (masdar) . This measure has several meanings. But in Quran, for this word it would be more appropriate to consider, used as plural fractus.

                      Root of this word is . Which means "he wrote, what he had heard or learned". Now if one were to put this meaning into measure of verbal noun (masdar). it would become "A collection, he wrote from what he heard or learned". Add meaning of particle "Al". Now it becomes "The collection he wrote from what he heard or learned".

                      Peace, Comments please.

                      Badar

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