Why allah used the word adam? someting is wrong here
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Peace
Thanks for your reply Mazhar. I will consider this.
Imraan
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peace Mazhar,
You did not evidence what I asked. However, upon attempting to answer it, you have contradicted yourself. See bolded parts
Please note in 711 presence of particle "Summa" that indicates that two initial steps of creation of him didn't need mention/reiteration-are supressed having been mentioned about us, i.e. creation and preening.
Summa is always reflective of time sequence, it can be seen in any dictionary.
Are you implying WE were created and preened THEN malaika SJD to adam? Yes or No?
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Peace Wakas,
If the whole sentence is viewed, there you will find no contradiction.
that indicates that two initial steps of creation of him didn't need mention/reiteration-are supressed having been mentioned about us, i.e. creation and preening.
Adam, as a human being is distinct, as for mode and manner of creation is concerned, from majority of other men and women.
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the One Who appropriately proportioned/synchronized/harmonized and balanced each and every thing He has created.
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And He initiated/originated the creation of first human being from clay
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Afterwards his descendants were made from gently and secretively drawn extract from desiccated/diluted/lacking vitality/artfully treated water. -
Peace Wakas,
If the whole sentence is viewed, there you will find no contradiction.
Adam, as a human being is distinct, as for mode and manner of creation is concerned, from majority of other men and women.
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the One Who appropriately proportioned/synchronized/harmonized and balanced each and every thing He has created.
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And He initiated/originated the creation of first human being from clay
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Afterwards his descendants were made from gently and secretively drawn extract from desiccated/diluted/lacking vitality/artfully treated water.desiccated and diluted are opposites! desiccated means to remove the moisture from, diluted means to make thinner by adding water
what is 'artfully treated water' ???
we are not made of diluted clay!
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desiccated and diluted are opposites! desiccated means to remove the moisture from, diluted means to make thinner by adding water
what is 'artfully treated water' ???
we are not made of diluted clay!
Thanks Ayisha.
I had completely forgotten to correct/modify the translation which I had initially attempted when I could not find suitable words to describe . Thereafter I had studied about "Sperm" as described by Qur'aan under the caption "The Sperm-its origin and resting/maturing place and journey in male's body to see him off".
The description of "water-"" is , Passive participle; singular; masculine. The basic perception infolded in its Root is to use for service and work; to rub/pulverize; the clothes worn in service. Use of clothes also makes them rubbed and smooth textured lacking energy and vitality. But when we apply this process on something like water to take some service or work from it we cannot attribute negativity or contemptibility to the end product.
Medical science do not yet use different word/term for the "sperms" when these are in the testis and when these are transported to epididymis for storage where they in fact become "Nutfa-Sperm" as described by Qur'aan. Qur'aan calls the initial stage as extract/ of which afterwards becomes "Nutfa"-2313, in/within firm/strengthening/ stationing place .
I now think that "extract of delicately treated water"- might describe the three words. This "extract" gets desiccated in the epididymis which absorbs about 90 percent of the fluid produced by testis.
I would like that you pay some attention and suggest some good English words which could describe the term of .
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Thanks Ayisha.
I had completely forgotten to correct/modify the translation which I had initially attempted when I could not find suitable words to describe . Thereafter I had studied about "Sperm" as described by Qur'aan under the caption "The Sperm-its origin and resting/maturing place and journey in male's body to see him off".
The description of "water-"" is , Passive participle; singular; masculine. The basic perception infolded in its Root is to use for service and work; to rub/pulverize; the clothes worn in service. Use of clothes also makes them rubbed and smooth textured lacking energy and vitality. But when we apply this process on something like water to take some service or work from it we cannot attribute negativity or contemptibility to the end product.
Medical science do not yet use different word/term for the "sperms" when these are in the testis and when these are transported to epididymis for storage where they in fact become "Nutfa-Sperm" as described by Qur'aan. Qur'aan calls the initial stage as extract/ of which afterwards becomes "Nutfa"-2313, in/within firm/strengthening/ stationing place .
Nutfa in 23.13 is not in the man, are you saying it is? The place of rest is in the woman, firmly fixed, next verse it becomes a blood clot then gets bones, all this is inside the woman not the man.
The Seminal vesticles are sac like structures located close to the prostate gland. They secrete a thick fluid that mixes with seminal fluid produced by the prostate and sperm from the testes to form semen (ejaculate).
The Quran does not detail this as it details the formation of a human being inside the woman. 23.14 is the creation of a human being inside the woman.
I now think that "extract of delicately treated water"- might describe the three words. This "extract" gets desiccated in the epididymis which absorbs about 90 percent of the fluid produced by testis.
I would like that you pay some attention and suggest some good English words which could describe the term of .
this is about the creating man from clay right? Please clarify what verse I am supposed to be looking at.
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Nutfa in 23.13 is not in the man, are you saying it is? The place of rest is in the woman, firmly fixed, next verse it becomes a blood clot then gets bones, all this is inside the woman not the man.
Nutfa is not made inside the body of woman/wife. Nutfa is made in the body of man and then is pushed into the fluid secreted from prostrate and other ducts and then is transferred/seen off into the "recepticle" for entrusting it to one's wife.
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Afterwards We made him as a sperm in firm/strengthening/resting/stationing place ."Nutfatan"- is the second object of verb.
The beginning of Nutfa is in male's body. Afterwards this having been poured, the onward process is within wife.
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Afterwards We created the sperm into the joined and implanted/clung clot ; -
Nutfa is not made inside the body of woman/wife. Nutfa is made in the body of man and then is pushed into the fluid secreted from prostrate and other ducts and then is transferred/seen off into the "recepticle" for entrusting it to one's wife.
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Afterwards We made him a sperm in firm/strengthening/resting/stationing place .The beginning of Nutfa is in male's body. Afterwards this having been poured, the onward process is within wife.
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Afterwards We created the sperm into the joined and implanted/clung clot ;But that place is not a firm resting stationing place is it as its ready to be fired out of there INTO its firm resting place where AFTERWORDS it becomes a blood clot while FIXED in its firm resting place where it will REST FIRMLY STATIONED for 9 months.
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But that place is not a firm resting stationing place is it as its ready to be fired out of there INTO its firm resting place where AFTERWORDS it becomes a blood clot while FIXED in its firm resting place where it will REST FIRMLY STATIONED for 9 months.
Suffixed Pronoun, third person, singular, masculine refers back to mentioned in 2312. And the object of verb is that he was made in the state/as Sperm, and where this sperm was made , within a resting place whose qualitative description is . This is the only place where sperms mature and can stay for longer period without losing their fertilizing capability.
And after this conjunction "Summa" is used and again is mentioned as object of another verb when after having been poured it is transformed into .
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Suffixed Pronoun, third person, singular, masculine refers back to mentioned in 2312. And the object of verb is that he was made in the state/as Sperm, and where this sperm was made , within a resting place whose qualitative description is . This is the only place where sperms mature and can stay for longer period without losing their fertilizing capability.
And after this conjunction "Summa" is used and again is mentioned as object of another verb when after having been poured it is transformed into .
If 'Suffixed Pronoun, third person, singular, masculine' him refers back to the man/human created from clay then it is saying he was then made into sperm.
The way I see those 2 verses is that Allah created the first human from clay and after that - as in very other human being after - Allah made part (sperm) of that human creating machinery (man) create another human creation (baby) in another human creating machinery(woman) The male and female human creating machinery (man and woman) are both needed, they are each half of the whole 'creation' and cannot 'create humans' alone. The fluid (sperm) from the male human creating machine (man) lasts maximum 6 weeks 'alive' in the male human creating machine (man), it has to be 'fluidly transferred to the female human creating machine (woman) in that time, the fresher the better. There the new human creation (baby) will be formed in the process described. During this is is 'fixed' in a 'suspended' position (alaqah) while it grows and forms a complete, but very small, new human creation that will become an adult human creating machine. (man or woman)
"In male humans, sperm cells consists of a head 5 ?m by 3 ?m and a tail 41 ?m long. The tail flagellates, which propels the sperm cell (at about 1?3 mm/minute in humans) by whipping in an elliptical cone. Semen has an alkaline nature, and they do not reach full motility (hypermotility) until they reach the vagina where the alkaline pH is neutralized by acidic vaginal fluids. This gradual process takes 20?30 minutes. In this time, fibrinogen from the seminal vesicles forms a clot, securing and protecting the sperm. Just as they become hypermotile, fibrinolysin from the prostate dissolves the clot, allowing the sperm to progress optimally."
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Then the race begins!
The work and time it takes for the little fallas to fight their way in there, fight their way in to fertilize the egg then can take a few more days traveling to get to its resting place in the firm fixed position on the wall of the uterus where it becomes an embryo.
. is 'established', to establish or settle in an abode.
is where it is established in it fixed resting place, its home/abode, at the end of its journey, not before the journey has begun.
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If 'Suffixed Pronoun, third person, singular, masculine' him refers back to the man/human created from clay then it is saying he was then made into sperm.
The info given by Qur'aan about human beings after the original creation of a "man" with conjunction "Summa" is about the , his posterity/progeny-literally something getting separated. His progeny was developed with/by Nutfa developed within . Afterwards it is "poured" alongwith other miscellaneous matter into the "recepticle" of wife, where it has a little period of life unless made a successful journey and suceeded in breaking through-reaching mutal understanding-agreement with the "counterpart".
This is also clarified in 698
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And He is the One Who created you, the living people, from one singular person;
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then/for reason there is a resting/maturing place and a departing/emptying place/depositary/receptacle for seeing off/pouring/deposit as a trust and mutual understanding/promises. . -
The info given by Qur'aan about human beings after the original creation of a "man" with conjunction "Summa" is about the , his posterity/progeny-literally something getting separated. His progeny was developed with/by Nutfa developed within . Afterwards it is "poured" alongwith other miscellaneous matter into the "recepticle" of wife, where it has a little period of life unless made a successful journey and suceeded in breaking through-reaching mutal understanding-agreement with the "counterpart".
This is also clarified in 698
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And He is the One Who created you, the living people, from one singular person;
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then/for reason there is a resting/maturing place and a departing/emptying place/depositary/receptacle for seeing off/pouring/deposit as a trust and mutual understanding/promises. .Sorry I disagree. The resting maturing place is in the woman where the fetus matures and is then departed. While it is still inside the man it is nothing, it is not a baby it is not a man it is nothing but 1 half of a possible person. It makes no sense to speak of it in terms of being a human being when it is not.
As for using the word 'pouring' what do you do, have her do handstands while you deposit into a funnel? ???
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Sorry I disagree. The resting maturing place is in the woman where the fetus matures and is then departed. While it is still inside the man it is nothing, it is not a baby it is not a man it is nothing but 1 half of a possible person. It makes no sense to speak of it in terms of being a human being when it is not.
As for using the word 'pouring' what do you do, have her do handstands while you deposit into a funnel? ???
Nutfa does not get rest and maturing in the womb. What travels/comes back to uteruous is not Nutfa, but it is Alq. If you change the sequence/order of the words in 698 how would you translate it, like this "then there is resting place and departing place"
Both the words are , indicating location/place. is not a "departing place"; it is derived from Masdar/verbal noun on pattern and only means a place where something is placed/entrusted as trust and for doing this one has to separate-depart/see that thing off which is the basic perception of its Root .
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While it is still inside the man it is nothing, it is not a baby it is not a man it is nothing but 1 half of a possible person.
Notwithstanding that almost all translators of Grand Qur'aan say "man is created from Nutfa" but Qur'aan has not said so at any place. It has always said " " the proper translation of which should be "from part of a sperm".
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Nutfa does not get rest and maturing in the womb. What travels/comes back to uteruous is not Nutfa, but it is Alq. If you change the sequence/order of the words in 698 how would you translate it, like this "then there is resting place and departing place"
Alq is when it is in the uterus, not traveling to it. the resting place is the womb and when it is matured it departs = baby is born.
Both the words are , indicating location/place. is not a "departing place"; it is derived from Masdar/verbal noun on pattern and only means a place where something is placed/entrusted as trust and for doing this one has to separate-depart/see that thing off which is the basic perception of its Root .
wherher its in the man or the woman resting, in both it departs at a time. The resting maturing place is the woman.
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Alq is when it is in the uterus, not traveling to it. the resting place is the womb and when it is matured it departs = baby is born. Ayisha
is of two types which develops as one of which gets created and the other one is that which does not get created as mentioned in 2205. The which gets clung in the fallopian tube never gets created, but eventually scatters.
The moment sperm gets joined with female egg what is formed is , the basic perception of Root of which is joining/tieing and association.
Two types of Alq
Creation of human being- in URDU
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is of two types which develops as one of which gets created and the other one is that which does not get created as mentioned in 2205. The which gets clung in the fallopian tube never gets created, but eventually scatters.
The moment sperm gets joined with female egg what is formed is , the basic perception of Root of which is joining/tieing and association.
Two types of Alq
Creation of human being- in URDU
Mazhar can you PLEASE put the transliteration next to the arabic as I can hardly SEE that never mind read it!
it does not cling to the felopian tubes it travel up it and clings to the uterus.
A man makes sperm, when it is fired into the vagina it is mixed with something from the prostate that protects its first stage of its journey this is activated in the vagina. As it continues its journey and fertilizes the egg THEN it is a human creation in starting mode, it travels up the fellopian tube changing and splitting the cells. It arrives at its resting place and becomes firmly fixed where it stays until it is born. It does a LOT before it gets to alaq stage where it can be called a human emryo. That embryo IS the creation.
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Mazhar can you PLEASE put the transliteration next to the arabic as I can hardly SEE that never mind read it!
it does not cling to the felopian tubes it travel up it and clings to the uterus.
A man makes sperm, when it is fired into the vagina it is mixed with something from the prostate that protects its first stage of its journey this is activated in the vagina. As it continues its journey and fertilizes the egg THEN it is a human creation in starting mode, it travels up the fellopian tube changing and splitting the cells. It arrives at its resting place and becomes firmly fixed where it stays until it is born. It does a LOT before it gets to alaq stage where it can be called a human emryo. That embryo IS the creation.
Let me repeat my post and request you to also see ectopic pregnancy in which fertilized ova implants in the fallopian tube.
is of two types which develops as one of which gets created and the other one is that which does not get created as mentioned in 2205. The which gets clung in the fallopian tube never gets created, but eventually scatters.
The moment sperm gets joined with female egg what is formed is , the basic perception of Root of which is joining/tieing and association which takes place in the fallopian tube, and this is what clings either in fallopian tube and/or whom Allah wills is rested in the womb.
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Let me repeat my post and request you to also see ectopic pregnancy in which fertilized ova implants in the fallopian tube.
is of two types which develops as one of which gets created and the other one is that which does not get created as mentioned in 2205. The which gets clung in the fallopian tube never gets created, but eventually scatters.
The moment sperm gets joined with female egg what is formed is , the basic perception of Root of which is joining/tieing and association which takes place in the fallopian tube, and this is what clings either in fallopian tube and/or whom Allah wills is rested in the womb.
so we are still talking this happening inside the woman and nothing to do with sperms resting inside the man?
