Why allah used the word adam? someting is wrong here
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While it is still inside the man it is nothing, it is not a baby it is not a man it is nothing but 1 half of a possible person.
Notwithstanding that almost all translators of Grand Qur'aan say "man is created from Nutfa" but Qur'aan has not said so at any place. It has always said " " the proper translation of which should be "from part of a sperm".
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Nutfa does not get rest and maturing in the womb. What travels/comes back to uteruous is not Nutfa, but it is Alq. If you change the sequence/order of the words in 698 how would you translate it, like this "then there is resting place and departing place"
Alq is when it is in the uterus, not traveling to it. the resting place is the womb and when it is matured it departs = baby is born.
Both the words are , indicating location/place. is not a "departing place"; it is derived from Masdar/verbal noun on pattern and only means a place where something is placed/entrusted as trust and for doing this one has to separate-depart/see that thing off which is the basic perception of its Root .
wherher its in the man or the woman resting, in both it departs at a time. The resting maturing place is the woman.
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Alq is when it is in the uterus, not traveling to it. the resting place is the womb and when it is matured it departs = baby is born. Ayisha
is of two types which develops as one of which gets created and the other one is that which does not get created as mentioned in 2205. The which gets clung in the fallopian tube never gets created, but eventually scatters.
The moment sperm gets joined with female egg what is formed is , the basic perception of Root of which is joining/tieing and association.
Two types of Alq
Creation of human being- in URDU
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is of two types which develops as one of which gets created and the other one is that which does not get created as mentioned in 2205. The which gets clung in the fallopian tube never gets created, but eventually scatters.
The moment sperm gets joined with female egg what is formed is , the basic perception of Root of which is joining/tieing and association.
Two types of Alq
Creation of human being- in URDU
Mazhar can you PLEASE put the transliteration next to the arabic as I can hardly SEE that never mind read it!
it does not cling to the felopian tubes it travel up it and clings to the uterus.
A man makes sperm, when it is fired into the vagina it is mixed with something from the prostate that protects its first stage of its journey this is activated in the vagina. As it continues its journey and fertilizes the egg THEN it is a human creation in starting mode, it travels up the fellopian tube changing and splitting the cells. It arrives at its resting place and becomes firmly fixed where it stays until it is born. It does a LOT before it gets to alaq stage where it can be called a human emryo. That embryo IS the creation.
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Mazhar can you PLEASE put the transliteration next to the arabic as I can hardly SEE that never mind read it!
it does not cling to the felopian tubes it travel up it and clings to the uterus.
A man makes sperm, when it is fired into the vagina it is mixed with something from the prostate that protects its first stage of its journey this is activated in the vagina. As it continues its journey and fertilizes the egg THEN it is a human creation in starting mode, it travels up the fellopian tube changing and splitting the cells. It arrives at its resting place and becomes firmly fixed where it stays until it is born. It does a LOT before it gets to alaq stage where it can be called a human emryo. That embryo IS the creation.
Let me repeat my post and request you to also see ectopic pregnancy in which fertilized ova implants in the fallopian tube.
is of two types which develops as one of which gets created and the other one is that which does not get created as mentioned in 2205. The which gets clung in the fallopian tube never gets created, but eventually scatters.
The moment sperm gets joined with female egg what is formed is , the basic perception of Root of which is joining/tieing and association which takes place in the fallopian tube, and this is what clings either in fallopian tube and/or whom Allah wills is rested in the womb.
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Let me repeat my post and request you to also see ectopic pregnancy in which fertilized ova implants in the fallopian tube.
is of two types which develops as one of which gets created and the other one is that which does not get created as mentioned in 2205. The which gets clung in the fallopian tube never gets created, but eventually scatters.
The moment sperm gets joined with female egg what is formed is , the basic perception of Root of which is joining/tieing and association which takes place in the fallopian tube, and this is what clings either in fallopian tube and/or whom Allah wills is rested in the womb.
so we are still talking this happening inside the woman and nothing to do with sperms resting inside the man?
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so we are still talking this happening inside the woman and nothing to do with sperms resting inside the man?
The sperm does not rest inside the woman. It keep travelling upwards till it joins/associats with the egg to become and transformed into ova . It is now no more a sperm but that is a different entity which travels back to womb or gets clung in the fallopian tube. Therefore the "Mustaqar" of sperm in not inside the woman but it is in mans's body, a specific place where they are stored/shifted and matured after having initially semi-created at a different place, i.e. testis, awaiting their transfer and pushing into seminal fluids if the man intends to transfer them into the "recepticle" of his wife.
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Peace all,
Hi Loxbox,
Seriously man! Is the word Adam the only thing that will turn you atheist? What about the other incredible stuff in the Quran?
Regarding Adam, according to the Quran, it is a proper noun of the first man. All proper nouns have meanings so why not Adam? All our names have meanings. When 'God' gives a proper noun to someone, it is usually relevant to what the person is about, like Abraham - Father of Nations.
The creation of Adam, according to the Quran is not evolution, but in the interaction of God's breath (literally) with a clay statute of the dude (even more literally). Remember Jesus and how he created the birds, he got a heap of clay, shaped it like the bird, and blew the holy spirit through it and it became a bird. No evolution or natural selection involved.
A powerful similarity is seen in the movie Transformers. The Cube had the power to turn any electrical device into a transformer. Same with God, turns any shaped heap of clay into a living organism.
Long live the Cube. I mean Allah D
Peace,
Rami
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The sperm does not rest inside the woman. It keep travelling upwards till it joins/associats with the egg to become and transformed into ova . It is now no more a sperm but that is a different entity which travels back to womb or gets clung in the fallopian tube. Therefore the "Mustaqar" of sperm in not inside the woman but it is in mans's body, a specific place where they are stored/shifted and matured after having initially semi-created at a different place, i.e. testis, awaiting their transfer and pushing into seminal fluids if the man intends to transfer them into the "recepticle" of his wife.
I still disagree.
According to corpus quran nutfatin is semen, semen is not sperm, the sperm when it is ejaculated becomes semen due to what it is mixed with.
Also, why is it a feminine noun in all its cases??
Step away from your mind Mazhar and look at it as I have said and it makes way more sense, expecially as in 22.05 it is a semen drop and describing the creation of man, the sperm still inside a man is not creating anything, not until is is mixed with the fluid it is mixed with and inside the woman. 23.13 we placed him in a resting place, he wasnt a him or a her at the point still in the man, this resting place is in the woman. 23.14 then this nutfatin was made into alaqa which clings to the wall of the uterus then into an embryo, then it gets bones etc etc.
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I still disagree.
According to corpus quran nutfatin is semen, semen is not sperm, the sperm when it is ejaculated becomes semen due to what it is mixed with.
Also, why is it a feminine noun in all its cases??
Step away from your mind Mazhar and look at it as I have said and it makes way more sense, expecially as in 22.05 it is a semen drop and describing the creation of man, the sperm still inside a man is not creating anything, not until is is mixed with the fluid it is mixed with and inside the woman. 23.13 we placed him in a resting place, he wasnt a him or a her at the point still in the man, this resting place is in the woman. 23.14 then this nutfatin was made into alaqa which clings to the wall of the uterus then into an embryo, then it gets bones etc etc.
Sperm does not become semen. Semen is fluid in which is the sperm as an individual living entity, while everything else accompanying it is lifeless. That fluid is called "Manni" by the Qur'aan
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Was he not a sperm in the semen which is poured/lodged ?
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Sperm does not become semen. Semen is fluid in which is the sperm as an individual living entity, while everything else accompanying it is lifeless. That fluid is called "Manni" by the Qur'aan
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Was he not a sperm in the semen which is poured/lodged ?
I did not say sperm becomes semen I said the sperm mixes with the fluid upon ejaculation and becomes semen. The sperm + the fluid = semen
75.37 says it was emitted then goes on to describe the same as in 23.
Manni according to project root list means To try or to prove someone, to mediate, to wish or desire. and is translated as emitted same as it is used in 53.46. So its not the name of fluid but of the emitting the fluid.
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I don't understand why allah calls someone ADAM ? if adam is a person , the first one than allah is making a joke of us, if adam is all mankind than why does it use the word ADAM ? My faith is at stake
I don't believe there was a person male and femele ?ade out of clay and they are the 1st parrents of all human beigns, i believe in evolution and i know now that there's many verses that supports it , the problem is what does adam mean in arabic, ?
if adam means mankind or the first intelligent humans than why he used the word adam ? in other words why didn't he just use the word human, or man !!!! to blame it on hadith ? something is wrong hereI never understand people(nothing personal loxbox) with question why Allah do these or do that...
I mean..He is God,he can do what ever he want ;D -
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I don't understand why allah calls someone ADAM ? if adam is a person , the first one than allah is making a joke of us, if adam is all mankind than why does it use the word ADAM ? My faith is at stakeI don't believe there was a person male and femele ?ade out of clay and they are the 1st parrents of all human beigns, i believe in evolution and i know now that there's many verses that supports it , the problem is what does adam mean in arabic, ?
if adam means mankind or the first intelligent humans than why he used the word adam ? in other words why didn't he just use the word human, or man !!!! to blame it on hadith ? something is wrong hereI never understand people(nothing personal loxbox) with question why Allah do these or do that...
I mean..He is God,he can do what ever he want ;DMe too!
loxbox, God made the first human called man (Adam) then this man was named Adam, what is the problem with that? Adam refers to Man and the man called Adam. -
I never understand people(nothing personal loxbox) with question why Allah do these or do that...
I mean..He is God,he can do what ever he want ;DWell, I think it is a good thing that people question something about their religion that seems illogical. If people blindly accept what the others tell them about God and not question anything, then ultimately they won't find the truth. I am pretty sure many of us were in a "questioning stage" before eventually discovering Qur'an-based Islam. I questioned many things, including why in "Islam", God tells the women to cover head to toe, and men don't have to do that. I asked many of my traditional muslim friends, and they said "because God wants us women to be modest and we just have to follow God's command!". Should I not question back then?
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I did not say sperm becomes semen I said the sperm mixes with the fluid upon ejaculation and becomes semen. Ayisha
Semen the thick fluid containing sperm that a male ejaculates. And this is exactly what is said in the quoted Arabic text of 7537. Fluid and sperm are two different things; one is a substance and the other is a living entity.
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This is still after it leaves the mans body mazhar.
I am totally lost now and cannot be bothered to try to make sense out of what appears to be your contradictions.
The Quran, for me, clearly tells of how a human is formed by the joining of male and female cells inside the woman where this comes to a resting place and is firmly fixed to the wall of the uterus. At no point do I see anything relating to the sperm 'resting' in the mans body before it is ejaculated.
We may have to agree to differ on this one. peace
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This is still after it leaves the mans body mazhar.
I am totally lost now and cannot be bothered to try to make sense out of what appears to be your contradictions.
The Quran, for me, clearly tells of how a human is formed by the joining of male and female cells inside the woman where this comes to a resting place and is firmly fixed to the wall of the uterus. At no point do I see anything relating to the sperm 'resting' in the mans body before it is ejaculated.
We may have to agree to differ on this one. peace
If you simply read the process of creation of sperm and its later movements inside the body of male you will find that "Sperms" get firstly created in the testis involving an intricate process; these are then shifted in an immature state to epididymes, which is referred both by Qur'aan and medical science as the resting and maturing place of sperms where they can live for considerable period without loosing the ability to fertilize an egg.
It is only at that point in time when a man wants to transfer them into wife's vagina that they get pushed upwards from their resting and maturing place into the seminal fluids discharged from prostrate gland etc and therefrom for downwards journey for lodging into the recepticle.
Functions of the Epididymis
A. Storage Function
Spermatozoa are stored primarily in the cauda epididymis and may remain there for 10 to 60 days depending on the frequency of ejaculation.
B. Maturation of Spermatozoa
Spermatozoa recovered from the testes, are live but infertile and without coordinated motility. They are fertile and capable of motility when recovered from the lower corpus or cauda epididymis. Sperm will mature in isolated segments of the epididymis. Some of the maturation changes occurring in spermatozoa during epididymal passage are
acquisition of fertility
development of motility
water is lost from the sperm cell
the surface charge changes
the permeability of the plasma membrane increases as does susceptibility to cold shock damage
C. Concentration of SpermatozoaThe epididymis removes water and particulate material from sperm cells and from the fluid transporting them from the testes. Fluid production by the testes is great and 90% of that fluid is absorbed in the epididymis.
D. Secretory Function
The epididymis can convert testosterone to the potent androgen di-hydrotestosterone.
The energy substrate glycerolphosphorylcholine is secreted in large quantities and carried with the semen to the female where enzymes of the female reproductive tract make it available for energy.
Sialic acid - a part of the mucopolysaccharide coating on sperm cells - is produced in large quantities.
Acyl-carnitine - useful in lipid transport and in providing a source of energy for the sperm cell is secreted in abundance -
this is about the creating man from clay right? Please clarify what verse I am supposed to be looking at.
Not the first man but his "Nasl", progeny, descendants as in 3208. For convenience I reproduce
Thanks Ayisha.
I had completely forgotten to correct/modify the translation which I had initially attempted when I could not find suitable words to describe . Thereafter I had studied about "Sperm" as described by Qur'aan under the caption "The Sperm-its origin and resting/maturing place and journey in male's body to see him off".
The description of "water-"" is , Passive participle; singular; masculine. The basic perception infolded in its Root is to use for service and work; to rub/pulverize; the clothes worn in service. Use of clothes also makes them rubbed and smooth textured lacking energy and vitality. But when we apply this process on something like water to take some service or work from it we cannot attribute negativity or contemptibility to the end product.
Medical science do not yet use different word/term for the "sperms" when these are in the testis and when these are transported to epididymis for storage where they in fact become "Nutfa-Sperm" as described by Qur'aan. Qur'aan calls the initial stage as extract/ of which afterwards becomes "Nutfa"-2313, in/within firm/strengthening/ stationing place .
I now think that "extract of delicately treated water"- might describe the three words. This "extract" gets desiccated in the epididymis which absorbs about 90 percent of the fluid produced by testis.
I would like that you pay some attention and suggest some good English words which could describe the term of .