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Quran Votes for Makkah

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    ayman
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    Show me in this link that you quoted where the writer told anyone to

    1. Idolize a stone cube.
    2. Idolize a black stone.
    3. Mindlessly spin around a cube and/or stone.
    4. 'Fondle' (your words) a cube and/or stone.
    5. 'Kiss' a cube and/or stone.
    6. Wrap up in towels like a pagan.
      Show where he is telling people to act in such a manner or be guilty of slander.
      Allah is Seer, All Knowing. You will have to stand before Him on the Day of Judgment. Don't add more burden to your soul.

    I said "a filthy pagan stone cube" why did you take "filthy" and "pagan" out? Are you a stone cube lover and Idolator and you don't want to hurt the feelings of your idol? Is the filthy stone cube not filthy from all the fondling and the saliva from kissing? Is this not the truth? You should worry about yourself first before worrying about your pagan friend.

    Peace,

    Ayman

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      raginggaijin
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      I said "a filthy pagan stone cube" why did you take "filthy" and "pagan" out? Are you a stone cube lover and Idolator and you don't want to hurt the feelings of your idol? Is the filthy stone cube not filthy from all the fondling and the saliva from kissing? Is this not the truth? You should worry about yourself first before worrying about your pagan friend.

      Peace,

      Ayman

      So you cannot show where anything of this nature was said and attempt at misdirection. That's your choice, ayman. No one made you do it or say these words that you do.

      "Or do those in whose hearts is a disease think that Allah will not bring forth their spite?
      And if We please We would have made you know them so that you would certainly have recognized them by their marks and most certainly you can recognize them by the intent of speech; and Allah knows your deeds." Surah 4729-30

      You will be called to account for your words and deeds, ayman. Slander is condemned. I have stated repeatedly these pagan acts are condemned and not to be done, and the writer in the link you quoted stated the same thing, even calling those who attend the Masjid to forsake the teachings of their fathers and return to the original deen revealed in the Quran. You attempt a strawman to build up and beat up, but it falls apart when the Truth is made manifest.

      ?Nay! We cast the truth against the falsehood, so that it breaks its head, and lo! it vanishes; and woe to you for what you describe;? Surah 2118

      But upholding teachings other than what Allah revealed is shirk, and will not be forgiven on the Day of Judgment. That includes following teachings like Patricia Crone who attempt to discredit the revelation of Allah Masjid. You cannot say you were not given reminder and warned.

      ""Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin.
      Have you not considered those who attribute purity to themselves? Nay, Allah purifies whom He pleases;
      See how they forge the lie against Allah, and this is sufficient as a manifest sin. and they shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.
      Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in idols and false deities and say of those who disbelieve These are better guided in the path than those who believe." Surah 448-51

      I for one fear that great and terrible Day, and strive to uphold the teachings found within the Quran. I believe in it, all of it. Allah has given proofs it comes from Him, and that He kept it pure and protected since its revelation.

      "And We indeed have revealed to thee clear messages, and none disbelieve in them except the transgressors." Surah 299

      I think you are lost. Surah 17102

      "And indeed He has revealed to you in the Book that when you hear Allah's communications disbelieved in and mocked at do not sit with them until they enter into some other discourse; surely then you would be like them; surely Allah will gather together the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in hell." Surah 4140

      We are done here.

      Peace.

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        ayman
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        I have stated repeatedly these pagan acts are condemned and not to be done, and the writer in the link you quoted stated the same thing.

        Then say the truth that the stone cube is filthy from all the saliva of the people kissing it. Acknowledge the truth that it is a "filthy stone cube". Why are you afraid of the truth? Do you consider the truth to be balsphemous against your idol?

        Peace,

        Ayman

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          Obour
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          guys calm down
          the Kabbah, the restricted temple, Hajj or even Qiblah is not the pillar of Islam

          2177

          Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who upholds the contact prayer, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. 2177

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            1CELOSTNOWFOUND
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            Peace all,

            Since I am still busy with my study on hajj, I thought I might add a little light heartedness here. It's actually a joke I heard about a Jew praying at the wall the wall in Jerusalem, but I think it can fit the discussion here.

            A journalist came to Makkah to interview someone he heard about. This guy had been coming to the kaabah everyday without fail to offer his prayers and make dua. Here is an excerpt from the interview

            Journalist How long have you been coming here to pray and make dua facing the kaabah?
            Guy 65 years
            Journalist What is it you make dua for?
            Guy I ask that the Muslim world be united and that there be peace in the Middle East.
            Journalist Since neither of these things have happened, how do you feel about these duas you keep making?
            Guy It's like talking to a brick wall.

            The thing is, this guy kept talking to the brick wall till the day he died.

            Imraan

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              raginggaijin
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              The thing is, this guy kept talking to the brick wall till the day he died.

              He should have spoken to Allah.
              Masjid Al-Haram surrounds the Kaaba. They are different structures.
              The command is to face Masjid Al-Haram, not pray to it.

              May Allah grant the believers victory over the disbelievers.

              Peace.

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                ayman
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                Masjid Al-Haram surrounds the Kaaba. They are different structures.
                The command is to face Masjid Al-Haram, not pray to it.

                This doesn't make any sense. Acording to your nonsense, since Masjid Al-Haram surrounds the Kaaba and is a different structure, when you are within Masjid Al-Haram and face Masjid Al-Haram your butt faces the Kaaba.

                Peace,

                Ayman

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                  raginggaijin
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                  This doesn't make any sense. Acording to your nonsense, since Masjid Al-Haram surrounds the Kaaba and is a different structure, when you are within Masjid Al-Haram and face Masjid Al-Haram your butt faces the Kaaba.

                  Peace,

                  Ayman

                  Nice language. Surah 4729-30
                  Continued Ad Hominem and Invalidation without bringing proofs. Bring your proof. Surah 2111, 657, 842, 1410, 2124, 2764, 2875, 5238

                  Surah 2225-33 differentiates between Masjid Al-Haram and Bayt Al-Haram. You state the same argument the followers of hadith uphold.

                  The Quran is clear

                  "Thus We appointed you a midmost nation that you might be witnesses to the people, and that the Messenger might be a witness to you; and We did not appoint the direction thou wast facing, except that We might know who followed the Messenger from him who turned on his heels -- though it were a grave thing save for those whom Allah has guided; but Allah would never leave your faith to waste - truly, Allah is All-gentle with the people, All-compassionate." Surah 2143

                  You made your choice, ayman. Surah 1430

                  Peace.

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                    raginggaijin
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                    Proof Midian
                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4RHRu3VWJg

                    Proof Qiblah
                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhq1BDBG3Zs

                    Proof Hajj
                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=i21uxpnjyXg

                    A video on the syncretism of Hajj rituals is coming soon, insha'Allah.

                    Peace.

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                      raginggaijin
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                      Worship of the calf never ended. The satans only strive to hide it better.

                      Syncretism Rituals of Hajj
                      http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jY_6d7KBew

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