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Islamic Ideology

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    unknownuser
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    The question before us is "What is Islamic Ideology"? To me Ideology is a philosophical term meaning the ?Science of Ideas?.

    Idea is again a subtle and very comprehensive term. It is unnecessary for our present purpose to go into the details of the

    term. But generally this means a basic concept or the basic concepts on which any ?system? is built constitutes its

    ?Ideology?. Since Ideology pre supposes the existence of a system, the question arises whether Islam is a system?

    Yes, Islam is a system. Islam is not like other conventional religions, in other words Religion is the English equivalent for

    the Arabic word Mazhah which does not occur even once in the whole of the Holy Quran. The Quran has used the word Ad deen for

    Islam which means a particular way of life. The Holy Quran points to this aspect in its own inimitable way. It says that the

    healthy concept of life Ideology or kaIema-e-tayyiba revealed by Quran which has the capacity to rise high towards God

    Almighty. In Quran?s dialect Ideology makes up what we call Faith (Imaan) and the means to give the Ideology a practical

    shape are termed Righteous Actions from humans. Ideology forms the objective of the Islamic Order and positive actions

    constitute the program for attaining the objectives of Islamic System. In the present context you can say that Ideology

    provides the ?Objectives Resolution? of an Islamic State, its constitution gives political form to the resolution and its

    laws prescribe the program for helping the people attain their destiny.

    The final position in a nutshell is;Islamic Ideology is another name for Permanent Values or unbreakable Principles

    elaborated in the Holy Quran that an Islamic State is established for the sole purpose of introducing Permanent Values in

    life that the first and foremost duty of an Islamic State is to provide means for the growth and development of the human

    body as well as human personality.

    The considerations set forth before you lead to the following three-fold conclusion

    1.Islamic Ideology connotes the sum total of Permanent Values or Inviolable Principles which have been preserved in their

    complete and final form in the Holy Quran.

    1. Islamic State is a state which adopts Quranic Permanent Values as its ideal.

    3.Islamic Constitution is the document which proclaims the above ideal and details the plan according to which the structure

    of the State will rise solid and firm on the basis of Quranic Principles.

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      Abdun_Nur
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      Salaam Nancy,

      You say "2. Islamic State is a state which adopts Quranic Permanent Values as its ideal."

      you cannot have an Islamic state, no more than you could have an Islamic bank, or Islamic brewery, or Islamic casino, or Islamic religion, or Islamic sovereign, or Islamic corporation, all these things are against the concepts of Islam.

      Islam is based upon community, not state, which is a central civil government or authority, this is not condoned within the Qur'an, Muhammad established a community not a state, he created no central government or authority.

      Community should be understood as common unity, how can you have unity if you have a state, impossible, you can only have a common unity locally, community by definition is a local concept, in direct contrast to state which has no common unity and is an enslaving force upon community.

      Have you read the four models of Islam on my website

      Allodial ownership

      Common Law

      Human Energy economics

      Polycentric community

      http//servantofthelight.com/

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        ramrodeo
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        Exactly why can you not have an Islamic Bank? I as well as a billion others can understand why Islamic brewery/casino etc etc are not possible but corporation is exactly what islam is all about. You jump to "common unity" but contradict yourself about"corporation". Are you feeling ok?

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          Abdun_Nur
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          Salaam Ramrodeo,

          Riba or Usury in English, means the theft of the fruits of another's labour, the demanding of interest upon the lending of property is one example of usury, the banks lend a fictional sum, if you over look that, they then demand several times more back than the borrower loaned, so the victim of the fraud repays with the fruits of their labour the fictional sum loaned, and then labours further to pay the interest upon it. You think this is sanctioned in the Qur'an?

          A corporation functions within society as a clinical psychopath, with little to no regard for life, environment or law, a corporation functions upon charter, a charter is a superior giving an inferior man a right, but as we are all equal in the sight of the law this breaks common law, making all corporations fictions of legislation.

          I do not contradict myself you do not comprehend the structure and nature of corporations or the banking system we suffer, if you wish to make condescending remarks learn your subject first.

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            ramrodeo
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            Thank you for defining the structure of NON-Islamic institutions. That does not mean Islamic Institutions with a proper constitution cannot be. You have described the predominance of the west.

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              Abdun_Nur
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              Salaam Ramrodeo,

              you have inalienable rights within natural (common) law, legislation is used to prevent you from your true rights, you wish to establish a constitution?

              That is fine, but you must do that within the confines of natural (common) law for it to be lawful, otherwise it would merely be legal, the next aspect of a constitution is who are you writing it to?

              In Law you have an unlimited right to contract, but only with another man/woman, you can not contract to a legal fiction like a corporation or state, as they are fictions and not recognised in law, only legislation, being the creation of legislation.

              So this brings in another aspect of law, you cannot have contract imposed upon you, it must be imposed upon yourself, so your constitution would have to have a signed and witnessed contract between each person wishing to live under your constitution.

              You want to create institutions of legislation?

              In law you cannot, so in Islam you cannot, you can create community through contract, you can create services through contract but you cannot impose your vision of conformity upon others without a contract between you, that would be unlawful like all modern government and corporation.

              This removal of your inalienable rights has created a prison planet, where movements are controlled and restricted, the fruits of your labour are stolen through bureaucracies and justified through legal fictions.

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                Prince
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                ^^Very well written post. I tend to lean towards your concept of law but do you have any examples in modern times of any place like this or in history. Living in a man made law system of corruption and support of corporatism and imperialism it is hard to imagine what a quranic community would be like. hmm

                PEACE

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                  Abdun_Nur
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                  Salaam Prince,

                  all courts are required to apply natural (common) law, but they do not, they apply Admiralty Law (Law of the See) and corporate law (commercial law), they state

                  "When a waivable Right or claim is involved, the failure to make a reservation thereof, causes a loss of the Rights, and bars its assertion at a later Date." (UCC 1-207.9)

                  The natural law underpins all law, but people have failed to grasp its true worth and allowed the parasites upon them to create fictions of law upon it, the last time in the UK way before 1066 when natural law functioned without fictions, but it may have functioned in other places after that.

                  I have written at length on my website on this topic, a history of Offa is one essay

                  http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/91/123/

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