Proof Qur'an-alone is Error
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Peace "Badr",
The hadeeth is clear and sahih
The israelites have received the Mann and the Salwa to eat and drink and have been forbidded from keep them but they did. The punishment of god were that meat rot since then, and to prove the opposite you have to go back to the time before the israelites to see if the meat were to rot or no. And yes this is beyond your understanding.
JK- You are denying science now. We know that meat has been rotting even before there were humans on this planet. If you deny this how can you accept the big bang in cosmology at the same time which hadith muslims so easily do and use it as evidence for the Quran being true? You can't have it both ways.
As for Eve, this is even more simpler, as all women come from Eve, there wouldnt be betrayal if there wouldnt be women so there wouldnt be betrayal if there wouldnt be Eve.
JK- BUT Eve need NOT be THE CAUSE of some women today or in any time betraying their husbands. THAT is the point. This hadith makes it look as Eve was the cause of this behaviour in all contemporary women otherwise why make such a statement in the first place? Then the hadith shouldve also said "If it wasnt for Adam, men wouldn't cheat on their wives". Moreso all women come from both men and women. LISTEN "badr" i really wish you good luck if you want to convince anyone, whos not already a dogmatic hadith follower, through these arguments. GOD Bless!
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The hadeeth is clear and sahih
The israelites have received the Mann and the Salwa to eat and drink and have been forbidded from keep them but they did. The punishment of god were that meat rot since then, and to prove the opposite you have to go back to the time before the israelites to see if the meat were to rot or no.
But meat did rot before the time of the Israelis. And if rotting meat is a punishment, why has the whole of mankind been afflicted with such punishment because of the transgressions of the Israelis?
And yes this is beyond your understanding.
Enlighten me. Explain to me how meat did not rot before the time of the Israelis.
As for Eve, this is even more simpler, as all women come from Eve, there wouldnt be betrayal if there wouldnt be women so there wouldnt be betrayal if there wouldnt be Eve.
All women come from Adam as well. If it wasn't for Adam, there wouldn't be betrayal either, yet the Prophet seems to have forgotten that bit. Of course, the problem here is that you don't understand the hadith. It's alluding to the Christian concept that Eve tempted Adam and thus caused him to "fall". And thus attributing a share of the blame to Eve for every woman who betrays her man.
Going back to the options I presented you before, being,
You either insult the Prophet and say yes. Or you reject the classification of Bukhari and say no.
, you've clearly made your choice.Your explanation of the hadith is utter nonsense, just like the hadith itself. The point has been proven that you would prefer to insult the Prophet than disregard the works of Bukhari and the scholars who followed him. The conditioning is so severe that you are adverse to rejecting such falsehood under the guise of "following the ulema".
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But meat did rot before the time of the Israelis. And if rotting meat is a punishment, why has the whole of mankind been afflicted with such punishment because of the transgressions of the Israelis?
Enlighten me. Explain to me how meat did not rot before the time of the Israelis.
Your thirst of scientific proofs will cause your loss (in the general sense), anyway you can't scientifically proove that meat were rotting before this event with the israelites.
All women come from Adam as well. If it wasn't for Adam, there wouldn't be betrayal either, yet the Prophet seems to have forgotten that bit. Of course, the problem here is that you don't understand the hadith. It's alluding to the Christian concept that Eve tempted Adam and thus caused him to "fall". And thus attributing a share of the blame to Eve for every woman who betrays her man.
Yes, but in this hadeeth in particular Eve has been stated, where's the contradiction ? we can also say, if it wasnt for Adam men wouldnt betray their wives.
PS Quran didnt mentionned that Eve was the cause of eating from the tree.
Going back to the options I presented you before, being, , you've clearly made your choice.
Your explanation of the hadith is utter nonsense, just like the hadith itself. The point has been proven that you would prefer to insult the Prophet than disregard the works of Bukhari and the scholars who followed him. The conditioning is so severe that you are adverse to rejecting such falsehood under the guise of "following the ulema".
I give them the benefice of the doubt, not like you, and if the prophet have said it it MUST be true. Then after all this have no direct effect on my every day life and worship so I can care less if it's sahih or not.
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And where is Abu Huraira in Malik's muwatta?
http//www.al-eman.com/hadeeth/viewchp.asp?BID=5&CID=2&SW=%E5%D1%ED%D1%C9#SR1
http//www.al-eman.com/hadeeth/viewchp.asp?BID=5&CID=4&SW=%E5%D1%ED%D1%C9#SR1
http//www.al-eman.com/hadeeth/viewchp.asp?BID=5&CID=14&SW=%E5%D1%ED%D1%C9#SR1
http//www.al-eman.com/hadeeth/viewchp.asp?BID=5&CID=21&SW=%E5%D1%ED%D1%C9#SR1
etc etc...
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You have to know that they also burn alot of fake Quran too before to have the final version we have now so yes they burnt Quran and hadith and yes they first thought they wouldnt need to write it down but later they wrote it and yes they are only human beigns and not infaillibles like the prophet so they do their best.
Whoops, I'm sorry, I thought I was discussing with someone who had read The Quran. Nowhere does it state the prophet was infallible, and in fact, The Quran points out his errors, albeit minor, see 18110, 3337, 801, 867, 943, 661. Interestingly, if you had studied your own traditional history that you claim to uphold, you would know the following to be true
The concept of the infallibility of the Prophet found its way into mainstream Sunni doctrine by the 9th century CE (over 160 years after Prophet Muhammad's death). Almost all theologians agreed that Muhammad was free from error when it came to matters of revelation, but there were disagreements to the nature and extent of isma (infallibility) in matters outside the sphere of revelation. Only a minority held to a doctrine of complete immunity from error. The majority limited isma to the period after a prophet received his call and considered matters only directly related to the prophetic mission to be completely guaranteed. In matters that would not affect the prophetic mission, prophets could conceivelably commit errors or even minor sins, although they would remain protected against major sins. Thus the Prophet's persona was divided into human and prophetic spheres. In his everyday life, personal affairs, and private judgements he was potentially fallible, hence his words and actions are not legally binding. In his capacity as Prophet however, his words and actions were divinely guided and represent God's Will.
A little challenge I like to set people is for them to bring forth their 5 strongest objections or evidence against Quran based islam, and post them in a thread. Take your time, weeks, even months, read, speak to people, gather all the information you can, then post them. I'm sure they will be discussed, and we can see if they hold much weight.
That is of course, if you genuinely seek the truth, and not disingenuous.
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Whoops, I'm sorry, I thought I was discussing with someone who had read The Quran. Nowhere does it state the prophet was infallible, and in fact, The Quran points out his errors, albeit minor, see 18110, 3337, 801, 867, 943, 661. Interestingly, if you had studied your own traditional history that you claim to uphold, you would know the following to be true
A little challenge I like to set people is for them to bring forth their 5 strongest objections or evidence against Quran based islam, and post them in a thread. Take your time, weeks, even months, read, speak to people, gather all the information you can, then post them. I'm sure they will be discussed, and we can see if they hold much weight.
That is of course, if you genuinely seek the truth, and not disingenuous.
You are so entitled to your opinions that it becomes ridiculous.
I'm not seeking anything, I've already found the truth.
Your little group of Quran-aloners don't make the weight, you'll turn in circle then the most wise of yall will come back to the truth.
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You are so entitled to your opinions that it becomes ridiculous.
I'm not seeking anything, I've already found the truth.
Your little group of Quran-aloners don't make the weight, you'll turn in circle then the most wise of yall will come back to the truth.
Salaam Badr
You seem to find great comfort in the fact that you belong to the majority. Is that is what is bothering you about Quran Alone, that we seem to be able to unite without rituals binding us together? I think you should take Wakas up on his challenge, because at the moment only Quran Alone has at least 5 strong objections or evidence against hadith based islam, evidence that not even you can deny.
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Your little group of Quran-aloners don't make the weight, you'll turn in circle then the most wise of yall will come back to the truth.
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6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of Allah; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.1813
1813 We tell to you their news with the truth. They were youths who believed in their Lord, and We increased them in guidance.1814
1814 And We made firm their hearts when they stood and said Our Lord, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, we will not call besides Him any god. If we have done so then it was in error.1822
1822 They will say Three, the fourth is their dog. And they say Five, the sixth is their dog, guessing at what they do not know. And they say Seven, and the eighth is their dog. Say My Lord is fully aware of their number, none know them except for a few. So do not argue regarding them except with proof, and do not seek information regarding them from anyone.They were a "Little Group" as you said.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
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Dear Abdulla,ou
I didn't mean to stir up everybody, I mostly wanted to publicly state my change in opinion, with Allah as my witness, and offer a proof for it that has given me justification for my decision. I don't care what anyone else thinks, nor am I trying to change anyone else on here, except perhaps the one who has doubts about the Qur'an-alone school of thought and may benefit from my example, because I have been there.
It is saddening when I read posts like this where God had blessed a person with th truth of Islam, only to have them revert to polytheism.
Yours will not be the first nor the last...For it was so even at the time of revelation
4137 Those who believed, then rejected, then believed, then rejected, then they increased in rejection; God was not to forgive them nor to guide them to the path.
Let it be known by the tone and content of the preceding discussions in this thread, and by pure logic, that the Qur'an-alone school is actually more intolerant than the orthodox/traditional school. For example, no sunni or shia ever kept me out of a mosque for rejecting ahadith! However, I find the posters here are very militant and aggressive against anyone who simply wants to derive some additional benefit from the Prophet's life (AS). By pure logic, the Traditional school would never exclude anyone from being a Muslim, as long as he testifies to God-alone. That, my friends is tolerance.
You are seeing what you want to see...The Muslims here will tell you to your face that you are wrong and misled, and that continuing such a path will only lead you to eternal misery...As for the polythists you seem to admire, in their web of deceit and hypocracy they will tell you what you want to hear, but in reality, they are the enemies of God and only have hatred and animosity for those who follow Islam/Submission
582 You will find the people with the greatest animosity towards those who believe are the Jews and those who are polytheists; and you will find the closest in affection to those who believe are those who said ?We are Nazarenes;? that is because among them are Priests and Monks, and they are not arrogant.
One more direct proof that I didn't see mentioned above
Remember any of God's verses and wisdom which are recited in your homes. God is Gracious, Informed.
I interpret this to mean that something was recited in the house of the Messenger of Allah that was not recited in public, and that it was commanded by Allah (swt) to be remembered. Otherwise, why would Allah call special attention to it, and even address this ayah directly to the wives? In my opinion, this is the hikmah, the wisdom, that was passed down orally, and then later codified at an appropriate time in the history of the ummah.
Rather than relying on "facts", it is the following of such "opinoin/hawa" that leads people astray.
Using your argument, I could spin it to further say that "God's revelations" were not known to the public as they were being "recited in the prophet's homes" and therefore only known to his wives and they were commanded to remember it. So we must seek the hadith of the wives to discover God's revelations!
The "Hikma" is already defined for us by the Almighty as an attribute found within the Quran (1739, 545) and not a set of words/rules/actions to be found in the fantasy land of hadith.
And also an indirect proof
How on earth do you learn what salat is unless someone shows you? And who showed that person, and who showed that person... Can't you see? Allah taught Prophet Muhammad the prayer, and salat is one of the precious gifts that has been handed down from one generation of Muslims to the next. And this is the unbroken chain of barakah that I was hinting about. This is also called transmission in metaphysics. It is something quite magical that happens from one soul to another, not from the bookshelf to the brain.
If you reject sunna so strongly, then you might as well invent your own style of prostration, because there are no precise instructions in the Qur'an for that. In fact, there is more precision in the Qur'an on how to fast than there is on how to pray. Why is that, my friends? I wanted to believe that Qur'an was all I needed, but I couldn't resolve why the detailed method of salat was intentionally missing from the text? In my personal journey to Islam, I was reading Qur'an for several years and applying its principles, until I wanted to start doing the prayer. To learn how to do that I naturally went to the masjid where somebody could teach me.
You failed to have patience and as a result you have forfitted the ability to see what exists within the Quran...The Book of God is unlike any man written book...And, since you have rejected God's ascertion that is His Book is complete and detailed, then you have failed to find what others can see. Salat details are all there in black and white to allow a layman to carry out. But if you are seeking the polytheists and their ways, then that will never be found in God's pure Book.
Finally, it comes down to humility and ego. Not to accuse anybody, but seriously, what prevents a person from wanting to be closer to the Messenger of Allah, or at least more "in line" behind him, the imam of imams, is usually pride. So if humility is a virtue for a person, they will seek to suppress their own styles of behavior for a higher example and better model. They do this eagerly, because they know ego is the enemy.
Because the humility and ego of a Muslim can only allow him/her to bow to the King of kings, the Lord of the Universe, our Maker, our Judge, and our Lord (may His name be glorified forever)....As for the polythiests, they seek to worship and bow to the idols that have falsely created and dare to put on even the same sentence of the Lord!
You all can take the Book of Allah dry as long as that satisfies you. It doesn't bother me or the ummah, and we welcome your identification as Muslims. But there are so many higher levels in this deen-al-haqq, and if you want to reach them, you will inevitably seek latheena anamta alayhim.
It doesn't bother the Muslims here one iota that you reject God's words....But here is what your "ummah" will do to each other come J-Day
2925 And he said ?You have taken idols besides God in order to preserve some friendship among you in this worldly life. But then, on the Day of Resurrection, you will reject one another, and curse one another. Your destiny is Hell, and you will have no victors.?
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6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of Allah; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.1813
1813 We tell to you their news with the truth. They were youths who believed in their Lord, and We increased them in guidance.1814
1814 And We made firm their hearts when they stood and said Our Lord, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, we will not call besides Him any god. If we have done so then it was in error.1822
1822 They will say Three, the fourth is their dog. And they say Five, the sixth is their dog, guessing at what they do not know. And they say Seven, and the eighth is their dog. Say My Lord is fully aware of their number, none know them except for a few. So do not argue regarding them except with proof, and do not seek information regarding them from anyone.They were a "Little Group" as you said.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khanyeah little group the 12 persons active in this forum. Of course !
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Thanks to Badr for being steadfast in support of my position. May Allah reward him.
I didn't mean to stir up everybody, I mostly wanted to publicly state my change in opinion, with Allah as my witness, and offer a proof for it that has given me justification for my decision. I don't care what anyone else thinks, nor am I trying to change anyone else on here, except perhaps the one who has doubts about the Qur'an-alone school of thought and may benefit from my example, because I have been there.
Let it be known by the tone and content of the preceding discussions in this thread, and by pure logic, that the Qur'an-alone school is actually more intolerant than the orthodox/traditional school. For example, no sunni or shia ever kept me out of a mosque for rejecting ahadith! However, I find the posters here are very militant and aggressive against anyone who simply wants to derive some additional benefit from the Prophet's life (AS). By pure logic, the Traditional school would never exclude anyone from being a Muslim, as long as he testifies to God-alone. That, my friends is tolerance.
One more direct proof that I didn't see mentioned above
Remember any of God's verses and wisdom which are recited in your homes. God is Gracious, Informed.
I interpret this to mean that something was recited in the house of the Messenger of Allah that was not recited in public, and that it was commanded by Allah (swt) to be remembered. Otherwise, why would Allah call special attention to it, and even address this ayah directly to the wives? In my opinion, this is the hikmah, the wisdom, that was passed down orally, and then later codified at an appropriate time in the history of the ummah.
And also an indirect proof
How on earth do you learn what salat is unless someone shows you? And who showed that person, and who showed that person... Can't you see? Allah taught Prophet Muhammad the prayer, and salat is one of the precious gifts that has been handed down from one generation of Muslims to the next. And this is the unbroken chain of barakah that I was hinting about. This is also called transmission in metaphysics. It is something quite magical that happens from one soul to another, not from the bookshelf to the brain.
If you reject sunna so strongly, then you might as well invent your own style of prostration, because there are no precise instructions in the Qur'an for that. In fact, there is more precision in the Qur'an on how to fast than there is on how to pray. Why is that, my friends? I wanted to believe that Qur'an was all I needed, but I couldn't resolve why the detailed method of salat was intentionally missing from the text? In my personal journey to Islam, I was reading Qur'an for several years and applying its principles, until I wanted to start doing the prayer. To learn how to do that I naturally went to the masjid where somebody could teach me.
Finally, it comes down to humility and ego. Not to accuse anybody, but seriously, what prevents a person from wanting to be closer to the Messenger of Allah, or at least more "in line" behind him, the imam of imams, is usually pride. So if humility is a virtue for a person, they will seek to suppress their own styles of behavior for a higher example and better model. They do this eagerly, because they know ego is the enemy.
You all can take the Book of Allah dry as long as that satisfies you. It doesn't bother me or the ummah, and we welcome your identification as Muslims. But there are so many higher levels in this deen-al-haqq, and if you want to reach them, you will inevitably seek latheena anamta alayhim.
May Allah guide us all and accept our efforts. I have grown through my interactions on this forum. Thanks.
Dear Abdullah,
You found the right path thanks to God and Alhamdulillah. May He strenghten you and keep your hearts on the His deen and I'm sure He will as long as you're true to Him.
Dont listen to these activists, they are misleading you. I'm sure you have seen how they twist every thing to prove their points.
Mashallah, you're a grown man and you made your decision by yourself.
Salaam
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Salaam Badr
You seem to find great comfort in the fact that you belong to the majority.
I have a huuuuuge comfort and feel so blessed and favoured to belong to the Truth.
Is that is what is bothering you about Quran Alone, that we seem to be able to unite without rituals binding us together?
How can I be bothered by 12 people who talk on the net, is that a real bind, yall don't even know yourselves in person.
You don't even imagine what are the true binds ; It is to pray shoulder to shoulder with your muslim brother, to have chills when the imam recites Quran. To feel your sins washed when you make ablution, to feel the honor to walk on the steps on the Prophet Muhammad PBUH when eating with your right hand, when you say Bism'illah before you put the food on your mouth, to recite the exact same duaa as the Rasool when you finish to pray and to enjoy the connection between you and your creator at the end of the night when you wake up and do a nafila for Him in a time where He promised to fulfill are your duaas.
The bind is when your break the sawn at noon with your family around the table in the holy month, when you say "assalaam aleikum" to every body, those you know and those you don't know because the prophet said to spread salaam, to say "may god bless you" to who sneezes. To immune your children with the duaa the prophet made for his grand children Hassan & Hussein etc...
The bind is when you consult your bank account at the end of the year and can't wait to give the zakkat to someone you know is in need.
I think you should take Wakas up on his challenge, because at the moment only Quran Alone has at least 5 strong objections or evidence against hadith based islam, evidence that not even you can deny.
I already posted my objections, the points you have against hadeeth are ridiculous and your little group didnt shake my belief for a second because I'm on the same path than the best of mankind ;Muhammad Rasool Allah. May God give you this sensation one day and take off the veil you have over the eyes.
Now I have Salaat Al Isha, I'll BRB.
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I have a huuuuuge comfort and feel so blessed and favoured to belong to the Truth.
oh me too! Isn't it a wonderful feeling knowing your prayers for guidence to His Truth are being answered and opening your eyes to the wonders of His creation and His words?How can I be bothered by 12 people who talk on the net, is that a real bind, yall don't even know yourselves in person.
Would that make us better muslims if we met up or if we were more? No one is trying to 'bother' you.You don't even imagine what are the true binds ; It is to pray shoulder to shoulder with your muslim brother, to have chills when the imam recites Quran. To feel your sins washed when you make ablution, to feel the honor to walk on the steps on the Prophet Muhammad PBUH when eating with your right hand, when you say Bism'illah before you put the food on your mouth, to recite the exact same duaa as the Rasool when you finish to pray and to enjoy the connection between you and your creator at the end of the night when you wake up and do a nafila for Him in a time where He promised to fulfill are your duaas.
I have chills when I read Quran and when I recite, does that count? I eat with a knife and fork though. I say Bismillah before I eat and thank God for what I have, just as I did when I said Grace before a meal before, that is in ALL God's books, not just in hadith, did you not know that?The bind is when your break the sawn at noon with your family around the table in the holy month, when you say "assalaam aleikum" to every body, those you know and those you don't know because the prophet said to spread salaam, to say "may god bless you" to who sneezes. To immune your children with the duaa the prophet made for his grand children Hassan & Hussein etc...
always said God Bless you to someon that sneezed too, as a Christian, is that where the hadith came from?
Immune your children? Now we are stepping right away from anything God Himself has said and going right the opposite way. oThe bind is when you consult your bank account at the end of the year and can't wait to give the zakkat to someone you know is in need.
You call that a bind? Giving in charity is a bind to you that you do it only once a year? Those in need are in need all year round and you wouldn't consider giving to them until it's zakat day once a year? That is SO far from what any prophet of God would do and you are so blind with your binding rituals and false hadith you can't even SEE that.I already posted my objections, the points you have against hadeeth are ridiculous and your little group didnt shake my belief for a second because I'm on the same path than the best of mankind ;Muhammad Rasool Allah. May God give you this sensation one day and take off the veil you have over the eyes.
The points given to you about hadith are so ridiculous to you that you have not been able to refute one yet. Our little group doesn't want to shake your belief as we understand the comfort you feel in your bubble following something other than what the prophet followed and how comfortable that belonging to the majority is. May God release you from your chains one day and allow you to see the clarity in His words and the wisdom and give you the wisdom to do something about it.
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oh me too! Isn't it a wonderful feeling knowing your prayers for guidence to His Truth are being answered and opening your eyes to the wonders of His creation and His words?
Yes it is.
Would that make us better muslims if we met up or if we were more?
Yes.
I have chills when I read Quran and when I recite, does that count?
Yeah as a woman you have no obligation to go to the mosque
I eat with a knife and fork though. I say Bismillah before I eat and thank God for what I have, just as I did when I said Grace before a meal before, that is in ALL God's books, not just in hadith, did you not know that?
Good for you.
always said God Bless you to someon that sneezed too, as a Christian, is that where the hadith came from?
Another great point for you.
Immune your children? Now we are stepping right away from anything God Himself has said and going right the opposite way.
This is beyond your understanding.
You call that a bind? Giving in charity is a bind to you that you do it only once a year? Those in need are in need all year round and you wouldn't consider giving to them until it's zakat day once a year? That is SO far from what any prophet of God would do and you are so blind with your binding rituals and false hadith you can't even SEE that.
Don't you know it is better to keep sadaqa secret as your right hand don't know what the left spent ? Oh sorry, it was a hadith !
The points given to you about hadith are so ridiculous to you that you have not been able to refute one yet. Our little group doesn't want to shake your belief as we understand the comfort you feel in your bubble following something other than what the prophet followed and how comfortable that belonging to the majority is. May God release you from your chains one day and allow you to see the clarity in His words and the wisdom and give you the wisdom to do something about it.
Ameen !
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Yes.
So we found another pillar! To be a better muslim one must meet in person all other muslims and be a larger group. Those sparce followers in the very beginning had no idea did they, when it was just Muhammed, Abu Bakr and the odd few others they were not actually good muslims until there were many of them. How things have changed eh? ;DYeah as a woman you have no obligation to go to the mosque
Not found that in Quran, I thought Quran was for mankind, which includes women or was God only speaking about men?This is beyond your understanding.
aah is that right? I think it is beyond your understanding that Allah was quite clear this cannot be done, but inshaAllah your understanding may blossom.Don't you know it is better to keep sadaqa secret as your right hand don't know what the left spent ? Oh sorry, it was a hadith !
what has keeping it secret got to do with you being a tight arse all year round? Quran says publically and privately, hadith say keep it secret so no one knows what a tight arse you are?)
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I'm hesitant about answer you seriously or ironically hmm... I'll do both.
So we found another pillar! To be a better muslim one must meet in person all other muslims and be a larger group. Those sparce followers in the very beginning had no idea did they, when it was just Muhammed, Abu Bakr and the odd few others they were not actually good muslims until there were many of them. How things have changed eh? ;D
Yes things changed since then, now nobody has to follow their footsteps because it may be a wrong hadith.
Not found that in Quran, I thought Quran was for mankind, which includes women or was God only speaking about men?
He was speaking about both but men MUST go to the mosque and women have the same reward by praying at home, they can go to the mosque if they want tho.
aah is that right? I think it is beyond your understanding that Allah was quite clear this cannot be done, but inshaAllah your understanding may blossom.
Hopefully it can but keep thinking otherwise.
what has keeping it secret got to do with you being a tight arse all year round? Quran says publically and privately, hadith say keep it secret so no one knows what a tight arse you are?
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God knows, that's what matters.
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I'm hesitant about answer you seriously or ironically hmm... I'll do both.
Why hesitant? Am I that scary ;DYes things changed since then, now nobody has to follow their footsteps because it may be a wrong hadith.
so if things have changed from the prophets time you are not following what he did, you are following something that has been made up/derived from/ added to and not what he and the original muslims followed.As has been pointed out to you already there was once a time when a very small group of believers were steadfast in their faith against all the majority and fought against anyone who tried to add, subtract or change the message. Muhammed was the leader of that group and Allah was his leader, as He is ours. Small we may be but we know our stuff inside out and we help each other, even though we have never met and disagree on many things, because we fully understand we are all indiviuals with different ways of reading and seeing and thinking and reflecting on Quran. So here in this forum we get to look at each others reflections and it widens our journey through Quran with new eyes each time we look at a verse. We do not have a set of scholars who tell us what to think and believe that we follow blindly without question. We use the brains Allah blessed us with and we follow the words that he gave us, and we sincerely are seeking truth and we all ask Allah for help and guidence in that, because we trust HIM with all our hearts and minds that He knows we genuinely seek and we know He will genuinely guide.
He was speaking about both but men MUST go to the mosque and women have the same reward by praying at home, they can go to the mosque if they want tho.
they can go to the mosque if they live near a mosque that women are not barred from you mean. ;DGod knows, that's what matters.
yes He does and He knows that Muhammed was not told privately to make Zakat 2.5% once a year too.
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Why hesitant? Am I that scary ;D
Are you ?
so if things have changed from the prophets time you are not following what he did, you are following something that has been made up/derived from/ added to and not what he and the original muslims followed.
As has been pointed out to you already there was once a time when a very small group of believers were steadfast in their faith against all the majority and fought against anyone who tried to add, subtract or change the message. Muhammed was the leader of that group and Allah was his leader, as He is ours. Small we may be but we know our stuff inside out and we help each other, even though we have never met and disagree on many things, because we fully understand we are all indiviuals with different ways of reading and seeing and thinking and reflecting on Quran. So here in this forum we get to look at each others reflections and it widens our journey through Quran with new eyes each time we look at a verse. We do not have a set of scholars who tell us what to think and believe that we follow blindly without question. We use the brains Allah blessed us with and we follow the words that he gave us, and we sincerely are seeking truth and we all ask Allah for help and guidence in that, because we trust HIM with all our hearts and minds that He knows we genuinely seek and we know He will genuinely guide.
they can go to the mosque if they live near a mosque that women are not barred from you mean. ;DOh! OK I get it now ! you love so much the prophet and his companions that you want to remake history, you identify yourselves to them and think you are their equals. You want to skip all they did and start new every thing from scratch, OK now I get it. thanx for enlightening me sun
yes He does and He knows that Muhammed was not told privately to make Zakat 2.5% once a year too.
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