5 salaats/day : what if i was wrong ?
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JK- So you admit hadith is not divinely protected. CAN YOU name one logical reason why GOD would not protect the supposedly unique method of how to perform salat, found in hadith which He made obligatory? Does this make any sense? Why not reveal a sura as-salat and start like "O Prophet they ask you cocnerning Salat. Tell them 2 rakats in the morning with this many sujood and rukoos etc etc". Wldve been one middle sized sura more.
JK- Why does GOD need to leave this upto the people and not protect these acts in writing as He did with the Quran? HAve you ever even asked yourself this question?
JK- So GOD reveals a perfectly preserved book but leaves some obligatory parts upto the FEELINGS of humans which should filter out the supposed true from the false hadith? I ask you "Badr" to please think hard about this. GOD Bless!
Because there wouldnt be no test anymore and every body will go to janna and to the highest grades of the janna it would be so obvious that your faith wouldnt be tested. This is the Hikma of god.
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Peace "Badr",
Because there wouldnt be no test anymore and every body will go to janna and to the highest grades of the janna it would be so obvious that your faith wouldnt be tested. This is the Hikma of god.
JK- But then there was no need to reveal the Quran which is perfectly preserved. GOD coudlve just sent the Prophet and left the "pious" to collect his hadith from which we would derive our enire lifestyle from. This is why this makes no sense whatsoever. It is unreasobale, to say the least, for GOD to reveal a perfectly presvered book making things obligatory within it but then leave the obligatory details of the same in a source which is not 100% preserved or even not as preserved as the former. BESIDES if this were really the case there should at the very least have been a very clear statement in the Quran saying something like "O you beleive learn the details of salat and zakat from the Prophet and write them down". But we do not even find any such statements. BUT LETS ASSUME for a minute the Quran did contain such a statement. YET we would require accurate science backed by archaelogy, used to actually differentiate the true statements of history from the false in all other cases, to these hadith as well in order to find out whether the whole stuff or much of it isnt just made up. As you can see this argument fails in all ways. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- But then there was no need to reveal the Quran which is perfectly preserved. GOD coudlve just sent the Prophet and left the "pious" to collect his hadith from which we would derive our enire lifestyle from. This is why this makes no sense whatsoever. It is unreasobale, to say the least, for GOD to reveal a perfectly presvered book making things obligatory within it but then leave the obligatory details of the same in a source which is not 100% preserved or even not as preserved as the former. BESIDES if this were really the case there should at the very least have been a very clear statement in the Quran saying something like "O you beleive learn the details of salat and zakat from the Prophet and write them down". But we do not even find any such statements.
The reality of life and of time make it more or less preserved, this is the reality of 2010. It was not the case for example in 1000. The more we advance in time and the bigger the test is. Prophet Muhammed says about us (those of 2010) "his beloved ones", we'll also be rewarded 50 times more than those who witnessed the revelation according to hadeeths.
BUT LETS ASSUME for a minute the Quran did contain such a statement. YET we would require accurate science backed by archaelogy, used to actually differentiate the true statements of history from the false in all other cases, to these hadith as well in order to find out whether the whole stuff or much of it isnt just made up. As you can see this argument fails in all ways. GOD Bless!
Archeology = science = obvious
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Peace "Badr",
The reality of life and of time make it more or less preserved, this is the reality of 2010. It was not the case for example in 1000. The more we advance in time and the bigger the test is. Prophet Muhammed says about us (those of 2010) "his beloved ones", we'll also be rewarded 50 times more than those who witnessed the revelation according to hadeeths.
JK- Again you're stating that Muhammad uttered any of this as fact when you have zero evidence. If you ever brought such evidence to any modern court they'd laugh at such nonsense. It amazes me how anyone can, whilst he doesnt otherwise when planning his/her daily life, accept such without any or much doubt.
Archeology = science = obvious
JK- Pretty much unless you're in denial. Infact reconstructions using the scientific method are often much more reliable THAN DIRECT EYEWITNESSES? Did u know that? Experiments have been conducted to show that direct eye witnesses can even be very unreliable and miss or misinterpret crucial details whilst DNA analysis and other scientifically accepted forensics give a much clearer picture of what actually happened. See for example WITHOUT looking at the description first
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4
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Peace "Badr",
So tu summerize all this, it is better to follow its own mind and do salaat as your mind tells you ?
JK- Youd have to do that anyways even if you take all the details of hadith you can then again say to yourself "How fast should I bow, how much should I accelerate when i Bow" and you can infinitely diffentiate on just on this issue of bowing. So why not use your mind and staying within the Quranic limitations, performing salat as you please. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Youd have to do that anyways even if you take all the details of hadith you can then again say to yourself "How fast should I bow, how much should I accelerate when i Bow" and you can infinitely diffentiate on just on this issue of bowing. So why not use your mind and staying within the Quranic limitations, performing salat as you please. GOD Bless!
Yeah and follow the famous "Do what thy wilt" ?No thanks !
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"Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah, and He shall requite their deceit to them, and when they stand up to prayer they stand up sluggishly; they do it only to be seen of men and do not remember Allah except a little." 4142
That has nothing to do with the quote you highlighted. And if you're accusing me of hypocrisy, it's not your place to judge people. I have nothing more to say to you since you're not mature enough to have a discussion.
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That has nothing to do with the quote you highlighted. And if you're accusing me of hypocrisy, it's not your place to judge people. I have nothing more to say to you since you're not mature enough to have a discussion.
The verse was quoted for "stand up sluggishly", to show that god loves those who pray in time and much as he associate the sluggish prayers to hypocrits, but if you feel targeted you have to ask yourself the question "why?".
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The reality of life and of time make it more or less preserved, this is the reality of 2010. It was not the case for example in 1000. The more we advance in time and the bigger the test is. Prophet Muhammed says about us (those of 2010) "his beloved ones", we'll also be rewarded 50 times more than those who witnessed the revelation according to hadeeths.
Archeology = science = obvious
Yes but doesn't the Qur'an say that the original Companions will be the foremost in Hereafter?
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And why do you not spend in the cause of Allah while to Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth? Not equal among you are those who spent before the conquest and fought . Those are greater in degree than they who spent afterwards and fought. But to all Allah has promised the best . And Allah , with what you do, is Acquainted. -
if i was wrong i would have prayed 3 (at least) more prayers than what's ordered by god, i would have did more effort and be more rewarded.
bravo
Very well said bro. Try praying 4 rakaats instead of 3 in your salaat al-maghrib, to get more reward for more efforts.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan