Prophet Muhammad's prayer (how to make salaat)
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Peace "Badr",
JK- We have to confess that "salat" is obligatory but not even that salat necessarily means prayer at all. Have you read Ayman's and other freeminders artciles on what salat means at free-minds main site? If not perhaps you should. GOD Bless!
Sorry but I don't think "Ayman" is reference when it comes to islam, if you want to talk as equal to equal and exchange ideas it's OK for me, but no need to quote ayman or anyone that have proved nothing in this world.
And from what I saw, on the main page the articles are simple propaganda and full of S-H-I-T (example the vs sunni vs shia etc...).
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With you, the discussion turns into a closed circle, it's not about "getting me" or "set ups" I have no obligations before you neither you before me, we are discussion but you can't stop trying to ridicule me wich you dont succeed to do. If I didnt answer your burning house sentences it's because it's obvious, don't make me say what I didnt.
My apologies brother, I did not mean for my questions to be so difficult you would see them as ridicule as you have taken them.Now if I dont answer your posts it's just because there's a button "ignore" next to your name and I will use it.
No problems, ignore me and my questions if you wish until you find how to answer them peace
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Peace "Badr",
JK- You say that again and again but WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE for this claim? Where does the Quran say "O muhammad teach them how to perform their prayers/salat"?
Let's suppose that Muhammad is a norma lhuman and contradict (532-4) Do you think God will leave something on wich He insists all through Quran to his random thinking ?
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Peace "Badr",
Sorry but I don't think "Ayman" is reference when it comes to islam, if you want to talk as equal to equal and exchange ideas it's OK for me, but no need to quote ayman or anyone that have proved nothing in this world.
JK- He is IMU and many of those who frequent tis forum much more in accordance with reason and logic as any so called islamic scholar who follows hadith. Ofcourse you can deny that but for me and others this stands out as fact and tI say this despite my strong disagreements with Ayman on some points.
And from what I saw, on the main page the articles are simple propaganda and full of S-H-I-T (example the vs sunni vs shia etc...).
JK- Just because something appears "full of shit" to you doesnt mean it is so. What the main page is stating is Islam IN THE QURANIC SENSE WITHOUT THE INDLUENCE OF HADITH AND AS WE MOSLY UNDERSTAND IT VS sunni AND shia. Cause we want to distinguish ourslves from them. As for the points those are the actual differences between us and them so what is wrong? Or do you find anything stated there which either sunnis or shias do not follow but the page says it does? If so point it out and we will correct it accordingly. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
Let's suppose that Muhammad is a norma lhuman and contradict (532-4) Do you think God will leave something on wich He insists all through Quran to his random thinking ?
JK- Normal human is a very nebulous term. In one sense or another the president, prime minister, top scientist, king etc are not necessarily normal humans but humans nontheless, however you decide to define "normal". Muhammad was a human being who ate and drink with no special biological powers as with all other human messengers who had these necessities. In this sense he was normal human. Otherwise he was endowed with special revelation from GOD and in that sense he did not speak of his own desire. If you mean to say that he never spoke anything false or of his own desire in his entire life THEN you're contradicting 3337. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- He is IMU and many of those who frequent tis forum much more in accordance with reason and logic as any so called islamic scholar who follows hadith. Ofcourse you can deny that but for me and others this stands out as fact and tI say this despite my strong disagreements with Ayman on some points.
Good for you but for me, with all due respect, he's nobody. I think now I "talk" with you so let the man alone, unless he come and join our discussion then we can talk.
JK- Just because something appears "full of shit" to you doesnt mean it is so. What the main page is stating is Islam IN THE QURANIC SENSE WITHOUT THE INDLUENCE OF HADITH AND AS WE MOSLY UNDERSTAND IT VS sunni AND shia. Cause we want to distinguish ourslves from them. As for the points those are the actual differences between us and them so what is wrong? Or do you find anything stated there which either sunnis or shias do not follow but the page says it does? If so point it out and we will correct it accordingly. GOD Bless!
First of all, the fact to associate shiia and sunni is a great error. Even if I consider quran-aloners as muslims I can't consider Shiia as muslims but this is another story.
Second, I'll open a thread discussin this.
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Peace "Badr",
Good for you but for me, with all due respect, he's nobody. I think now I "talk" with you so let the man alone, unless he come and join our discussion then we can talk.
JK- Fair enough.
First of all, the fact to associate shiia and sunni is a great error. Even if I consider quran-aloners as muslims I can't consider Shiia as muslims but this is another story.
JK- The only reason we mentioned both of you together vs us is because both of you follow hadith in one way or another, both of you mention Muhammad in salat and both of you have similar VIOLENT sharia elements that you'd like to see carried out world wide. AND ALSO not to forget when "Muslims" talk about how big they are in terms of numbers worldwide OFCOURSE SHITTES ARE INCLUDED. This is why we calssified you as one against us. And then you even kill each other because each one calls the other a kaafir. There is no mass conversion from shia to sunni or vice versa. Each stays in his/her own group depending on where he/she was born. From the perepctive of the outsider neither one nor the other makes much more sense since for every absurdity of one side the other has an equal absurd reponse. GOD Bless!
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JK- The only reason we mentioned both of you together vs us is because both of you follow hadith in one way or another, both of you mention Muhammad in salat and both of you have similar VIOLENT sharia elements that you'd like to see carried out world wide. AND ALSO not to forget when "Muslims" talk about how big they are in terms of numbers worldwide OFCOURSE SHITTES ARE INCLUDED. This is why we calssified you as one against us. And then you even kill each other because each one calls the other a kaafir. There is no mass conversion from shia to sunni or vice versa. Each stays in his/her own group depending on where he/she was born. From the perepctive of the outsider neither one nor the other makes much more sense since for every absurdity of one side the other has an equal absurd reponse. GOD Bless!
False, shiia are 150 000 000 out of 1.400 000 000 muslims in the world. Like 10%.
http//people.wku.edu/daniel.reader/110stuff/NASWA/sunni-shia-world-distribution.jpg
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Peace "Badr",
False, shiia are 150 000 000 out of 1.400 000 000 muslims in the world. Like 10%.
http//people.wku.edu/daniel.reader/110stuff/NASWA/sunni-shia-world-distribution.jpg
JK- When did I say shittes were the majority. I just said that when "muslims" boast their numbers they include the shiittes. Besides majority doesn't make authority otherwise Christianity wold the most accurate religion. GOD Bless!
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SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 12, Number 723
Narrated 'Ubada bin As-Samit Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever does not recite Al-Fatiha in his prayer, his prayer is invalid."SAHIH MUSLIM Book 4, Number 1005 'A'isha reported The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to begin prayer with takbir (saying Allah-o-Akbar) and the recitation "Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Universe." When he bowed he neither kept his head up nor bent it down, but kept it between these extremes; when he raised his head after bow- ing he did not prostrate himself till he had stood erect; when he raised his head after prostration he did not prostrate himself again till he satup. At the end of every two rak'ahs he recited the tahiyya; and he used to place his left foot flat (on the ground) and raise up the right; he prohibited the devil's way of sitting on the heels, and he forbade people to spread out their arms like a wild beast. And he used to finish the prayer with the taslim.
SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 12, Number 791
Narrated Muhammad bin 'Amr bin 'Ata' I was sitting with some of the companions of Allah's Apostle and we were discussing about the way of praying of the Prophet. Abu Humaid As-Saidi said, "I remember the prayer of Allah's Apostle better than any one of you. I saw him raising both his hands up to the level of the shoulders on saying the Takbir; and on bowing he placed his hands on both knees and bent his back straight, then he stood up straight from bowing till all the vertebrate took their normal positions. In prostrations, he placed both his hands on the ground with the forearms away from the ground and away from his body, and his toes were facing the Qibla. On sitting In the second Rak'a he sat on his left foot and propped up the right one; and in the last Rak'a he pushed his left foot forward and kept the other foot propped up and sat over the buttocks "SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 12, Number 702
Narrated Salim bin 'Abdullah My father said, "Allah's Apostle used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida, Rabbana walaka-l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 12, Number 707
Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd The people were ordered to place the right hand on the left forearm in the prayer. Abu Hazim said, "I knew that the order was from the Prophet."SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 2, Book 22, Number 311
Narrated Abu Huraira It was forbidden to pray with the hands over one's hips.SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 12, Number 709
Narrated Anas bin Malik The Prophet said, "Perform the bowing and the prostrations properly. By Allah, I see you from behind me (or from behind my back) when you bow or prostrate."SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 10, Number 509
Narrated Anas The Prophet said, "Do the prostration properly and do not put your fore-arms flat with elbows touching the ground like a dog. And if you want to spit, do not spit in front, nor to the right for the person in prayer is speaking in private to his Lord."SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 12, Number 773
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas The Prophet was ordered (by Allah) to prostrate on seven parts and not to tuck up the clothes or hair (while praying). Those parts are the forehead (along with the tip of nose), both hands, both knees, and (toes of) both feet.SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 12, Number 786
Narrated Malik bin Huwairith Al-Laithi I saw the Prophet praying and in the odd Rakat, he used to sit for a moment before getting up.SAHIH MUSLIM Book 4, Number 0953 Al-Bara' b. 'Azib reported I noticed the prayer of Muhammad (may peace be upon him) and saw his Qiyam (standing), his bowing, and then going back to the standing posture after bowing, his prostration, his sitting between the two prostrations, and his prostration and sitting between salutation and going away, all these were nearly equal to one another.
SAHIH MUSLIM Book 4, Number 0999 Al-Bira' (b. 'Azib) reported The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said . When you prostrate yourself, place the palms of your hands on the ground and raise your elbows.
SAHIH MUSLIM Book 4, Number 0970 Ibn 'Abbas reported The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) drew aside the curtain (of his apartment) and (he saw) people in rows (saying prayer) behind Abu Bakr. And he said Nothing remains of the glad tidings of apostlehood, except good visions which a Muslim sees or someone is made to see for him. And see that I have been forbidden to recite the Qur'an in the state of bowing and prostration. So far as Ruk'u is concerned, extol in it the Great and Glorious Lord, and while prostrating yourselves be earnest in supplication, for it is fitting that your supplications should be answered.
SAHIH MUSLIM, Book 4, Number 0822
'A'isha reported The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) fell ill and some of his Companions came to inquire after his health. The Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) said prayer sitting, while (his Companions) said it (behind him) standing. He (the Holy Prophet) directed them by his gesture to sit down, and they sat down (in prayer). After finishing the (prayer) lie (the Holy Prophet) said The Imam is appointed so that be should be followed, so bow down when He bows down, and rise up when he rises up and say (prayer) sitting when he (the Imam) says (it) sitting.SAHIH BUKHARI, Book 20, Number 218
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain had piles, so I asked the Prophet about the prayer. He said, "pray while standing and if you can't, pray while sitting and if you cannot do even that, then pray Lying on your side."SAHIH BUKHARI, Book 20, Number 220
Narrated 'Aisha (the mother of the faithful believers) Allah's Apostle (in his last days) used to pray sitting. He would recite while sitting, and when thirty or forty verses remained from the recitation he would get up and recite them while standing and then he would bow and prostrate. He used to do the same in the second Rakah. After finishing the prayer he used to look at me and if I was awake he would talk to me and if I was asleep, he would lie down. -
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http//www.muslimconverts.com/e-books/The_Prophet%27s_Prayer_Described/index.htmAh, so much wisdom to be found in there. hail
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was asked about prayer on a ship, so he said, Pray on it standing, unless you are afraid of drowning.
He used to say A man's prayer is cut off when there is nothing such as the end of a saddle in front of him, by a woman, a donkey or a black dog. Abu Dharr said, 'I said "O Messenger of Allaah, why the black dog rather than the red one?" He said, The black dog is a shaytaan.
"He used to stand (in prayer) bare-footed sometimes and wearing shoes sometimes."
He allowed this for his ummah, saying When one of you prays, he should wear his shoes or take them off and put them between his feet, and not harm others with them.
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Ah, so much wisdom to be found in there. hail
He (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was asked about prayer on a ship, so he said, Pray on it standing, unless you are afraid of drowning.
So ?
He used to say A man's prayer is cut off when there is nothing such as the end of a saddle in front of him, by a woman, a donkey or a black dog. Abu Dharr said, 'I said "O Messenger of Allaah, why the black dog rather than the red one?" He said, The black dog is a shaytaan.
Refuted because the prophet used to pray with aisha enlacing him. Malik, Abu hanifa and Al Chafii refuted this hadith.
"He used to stand (in prayer) bare-footed sometimes and wearing shoes sometimes."
yes and ?
He allowed this for his ummah, saying When one of you prays, he should wear his shoes or take them off and put them between his feet, and not harm others with them.
Hopefully nowerdays people leave their shoes outside the mosque.
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So ?
Refuted because the prophet used to pray with aisha enlacing him. Malik, Abu hanifa and Al Chafii refuted this hadith.
yes and ?
Hopefully nowerdays people leave their shoes outside the mosque.
Shoes are not allowed in any mosque I know so they obviously all ignore that one and have decided prayer is barefoot over time. Same as wudu 3 times when there are sahih hadith saying sometimes he did it once or sometimes twice. Same with men wearing gold and an equal amount of hadith saying God OR silver. Tons of contradictions and various scholars have made a NEW religion based on SOME of the sahih hadith while leaving the rest for 'when it may be needed for a certain agenda or fatwa'
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Shoes are not allowed in any mosque I know so they obviously all ignore that one and have decided prayer is barefoot over time.
You also should know that mosques are made of carpets nowerdays and it would be very improper to walk with your shoes over carpets.
You can pray bare foot on the ground if you want, I do it at home sometimes.