"Badr" in this thread I'd like to ask you some questions that come to my mind!
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Peace "Badr",
I will try to only ask one question at a time so as to not make it to difficult. It might evolve into a very exciting debate and maybe we'll just mvoe onto the next. SO that said my first question to you would be
- I've heard as a former sunni that there can be more than one prophet(nabi) at the same time BUT that there can be only one messenger(rasool) at any one particular time. Do you also share this view?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
I will try to only ask one question at a time so as to not make it to difficult. It might evolve into a very exciting debate and maybe we'll just mvoe onto the next. SO that said my first question to you would be
- I've heard as a former sunni that there can be more than one prophet(nabi) at the same time BUT that there can be only one messenger(rasool) at any one particular time. Do you also share this view?
GOD Bless!
From what I know, A Rassool is the one who bring a new law and the nabi is a preacher that uses the previous law. In the same time evry rasool is a nabi but the opposite aint correct. So normally theres no need for 2 Rasools (or maybe in two opposites parts of the world) I really don't know but as the prophet said that there were 124000 nabi and 313 rasool, it's possible.
What I know for sure is the possibility of 2 nabi or a nabi and a rasool in the same time, examples are several Musa and Harun, Yaqub and his son Yusuf, Dawood and his son Suleiman, Ibraheem and Lut and Ismail and Ishaq...
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Peace "Badr",
I don't see the relevance of asking questions about stuff that dont touch us directly or our relation with the creator. Who cares if 2 prophets can be at the same time or not ? or you want to argue for the love of arguing ?
JK- You'll see and don't worry I'll be asking other questions too. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
From what I know, A Rassool is the one who bring a new law and the messenger is a preacher that uses the previous law. In the same time evry rasool is a nabi but the opposite aint correct. So normally theres no need for 2 Rasools (or maybe in two opposites parts of the world) I really don't know but as the prophet said that there were 124000 nabi and 313 rasool, it's possible.
What I know for sure is the possibility of 2 nabi or a nabi and a rasool in the same time, examples are several Musa and Harun, Yaqub and his son Yusuf, Dawood and his son Suleiman, Ibraheem and Lut and Ismail and Ishaq...
JK- When we use the English term messenger we mean "rassool" and for "nabi" we'll use Prophet, ok? NOW would it surprise you if, according to the definitions of rasool and nabi you presented, there were two messengers in EXACTLY THE SAME TIME AND LOCATION AS WELL preaching to the SAME PEOPLE like for example Isaac and Ismail or David and Somlmon or Moses and Aron? GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- When we use the English term messenger we mean "rassool" and for "nabi" we'll use Prophet, ok? NOW would it surprise you if, according to the definitions of rasool and nabi you presented, there were two messengers in EXACTLY THE SAME TIME AND LOCATION AS WELL preaching to the SAME PEOPLE like for example Isaac and Ismail or David and Somlmon or Moses and Aron? GOD Bless!
No it wouldnt surprise me (I already quoted the same prophets in my post).
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Peace "Badr",
JK- No i meant TWO MESSENGERS(RASOOL) in the same place at the same time. Would that surprise you? GOD Bless!
I perfectly understood the question, it wouldnt surprise me. Why would it be ? if I'm not surprised that God made a person able to revive the dead I wouldnt be surprised if He choose to send 2 rasools in the same time.
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Peace "Badr",
I perfectly understood the question, it wouldnt surprise me. Why would it be ? if I'm not surprised that God made a person able to revive the dead I wouldnt be surprised if He choose to send 2 rasools in the same time.
JK- Ok then it's fine but do ask some of the "scholars" in your surrounding and ask them whether such is possible i.e. two rasool at the same time because I've heard from a scholar that it is not because we can't have two shariats at the same time. NOW for my next question
- You said above every Rasool is a Nabi but not every Nabi is a Rasool, thus by definition making Nabi the common term and Rasool the specific. NOW by that very definition, if the Quran were making a statement(s) like "some nabis/rasools We have mentioned whilst others We have not mentioned", provided that if in ALL CASES of such a statement occurring, ONLY ONE of the two terms is used consistently, WHICH term should logically be found in there, NABI or RASOOL, and why?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Ok then it's fine but do ask some of the "scholars" in your surrounding and ask them whether such is possible i.e. two rasool at the same time because I've heard from a scholar that it is not because we can't have two shariats at the same time. NOW for my next question
- You said above every Rasool is a Nabi but not every Nabi is a Rasool, thus by definition making Nabi the common term and Rasool the specific. NOW by that very definition, if the Quran were making a statement(s) like "some nabis/rasools We have mentioned whilst others We have not mentioned", provided that if in ALL CASES of such a statement occurring, ONLY ONE of the two terms is used consistently, WHICH term should logically be found in there, NABI or RASOOL, and why?
GOD Bless!
Both can apply.
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Peace "Badr",
Both can apply.
JK- How is is logical if all such statements exlcusively used say the specific term RASOOL? Wouldn't it make more sense to use NABI going by you're definiton? Lemme give you a non rellgious example. We know that Europeans and Germans are related where every German is a European whilst not every European is a German. Someone writing a book wants to make a statement that not all Westeners in Europe are mentioned in his book. Should he now say "Some Germans I've mentioned whilst others I've not" OR should he say "some Europeans I've mentioned whilst others I've not?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- How is is logical if all such statements exlcusively used say the specific term RASOOL? Wouldn't it make more sense to use NABI going by you're definiton? Lemme give you a non rellgious example. We know that Europeans and Germans are related where every German is a European whilst not every European is a German. Someone writing a book wants to make a statement that not all Westeners in Europe are mentioned in his book. Should he now say "Some Germans I've mentioned whilst others I've not" OR should he say "some Europeans I've mentioned whilst others I've not?
GOD Bless!
You said it yourself "majority doesn't make authority". If God wants He can says "some rasool we mentionned while other we didnt" wich is true because he neither mentionned all anbiya nor all rasools in the Quran.
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Peace "Badr"
You said it yourself "majority doesn't make authority". If God wants He can says "some rasool we mentionned while other we didnt" wich is true because he neither mentionned all anbiya nor all rasools in the Quran.
JK- This has nothing to do with majority but about classification of the inspired men of God in this case. If God said "some rasool..." only, then that would lead to confusion, provided your definition of nabi and rasool, because then it could imply that all nabiyeen who're not mursaleen are mentioned in the Quran. Infact think about why Allah mentions this verse at all? It's because most likely otherwise people would think the Quran as the last and final revelation mentioned all prophets and messengers there ever were. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
I'll post my third question here now
- We'd both agree that attributes of Allah NOT PRECEDED by "al" can be used for humans and other beings as well. Can Allah 's attributes which are mentioned in the Quran, prefixed with "Al" also be used for humans or any other beings besides Allah?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
I'll post my third question here now
- We'd both agree that attributes of Allah NOT PRECEDED by "al" can be used for humans and other beings as well. Can Allah 's attributes which are mentioned in the Quran, prefixed with "Al" also be used for humans or any other beings besides Allah?
GOD Bless!
Yes, Al Hakeem, the wise for the Quran and for Luqman.
Al Malik has also been said for the king in the surat of Yusuf.
Also in the same surat Al Aziz (the wife of Al Aziz)
The difference is in the sense of god these attributes become the Most ..... but in arabic it's the same.
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Peace "Badr"
Yes, Al Hakeem, the wise for the Quran and for Luqman.
Al Malik has also been said for the king in the surat of Yusuf.
Also in the same surat Al Aziz (the wife of Al Aziz)
The difference is in the sense of god these attributes become the Most ..... but in arabic it's the same.
JK- So then why do I hear from so many sunnis that "no, no with "al" it implies "the most" and hence this can never happen" and some even went to the extent calling it shirk? So you admit there is no "most" in arabic. Hence there is no need to trick people into believing the "al" makes it into something special there which the ones who don't know Arabic will think. NEXT question
- You will find in the Quran special adjective like phrases like "malakan rasoolan(angel messenger)", "siddiqan nabiyan(saint prophet)" and "basharan rassolan(human messenger)" ALWAYS in that same order. If you'd agree with me that not every angel is a messenger, not every saint is a prophet, not every human is a messenger and and also you said earlier that not every Nabi is a Rasool THEN in order for consistency, if Allah used the terms nabi and rasool in the same conjoined adjective form as the three aforementioned terms, in what order should we logically find them?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr"
JK- So then why do I hear from so many sunnis that "no, no with "al" it implies "the most" and hence this can never happen" and some even went to the extent calling it shirk? So you admit there is no "most" in arabic. Hence there is no need to trick people into believing the "al" makes it into something special there which the ones who don't know Arabic will think. NEXT question
- You will find in the Quran special adjective like phrases like "malakan rasoolan(angel messenger)", "siddiqan nabiyan(saint prophet)" and "basharan rassolan(human messenger)" ALWAYS in that same order. If you'd agree with me that not every angel is a messenger, not every saint is a prophet, not every human is a messenger and and also you said earlier that not every Nabi is a Rasool THEN in order for consistency, if Allah used the terms nabi and rasool in the same conjoined adjective form as the three aforementioned terms, in what order should we logically find them?
GOD Bless!
Nabiyan rasulan of course.
What do I win in the end of the test ? ;D