"Badr" in this thread I'd like to ask you some questions that come to my mind!
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Peace "Badr"
JK- No BUT that too was a rather serious mistake wasn't it and even a rather serious one i.e. ignoring a blind man and giving more attention to a rich one? But I meant something even more serious where it is stated that he actually feared the people more than GOD. GOD Bless!
No I don't see where Muhammad feared people more than God.
Maybe you interpret it so and I interpret it otherwise.
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Peace "Badr",
No I don't see where Muhammad feared people more than God.
Maybe you interpret it so and I interpret it otherwise.
JK- The verse states so pretty clearly. I'll post the verse
Pickthall 3337 And when thou saidst unto him on whom Allah hath conferred favour and thou hast conferred favour Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah. And thou didst hide in thy mind that which Allah was to bring to light, and thou didst fear mankind whereas Allah hath a better right that thou shouldst fear Him....
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- The verse states so pretty clearly. I'll post the verse
Pickthall 3337 And when thou saidst unto him on whom Allah hath conferred favour and thou hast conferred favour Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah. And thou didst hide in thy mind that which Allah was to bring to light, and thou didst fear mankind whereas Allah hath a better right that thou shouldst fear Him....
GOD Bless!
That's what I thought, the wife's episode. Of course if you don't know the story -because you don't consult the hadeeths- so you have no idea of what it is about. If you interpret the verse raw you will think 'OMG he feared men more than allah' )
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That's what I thought, the wife's episode. Of course if you don't know the story -because you don't consult the hadeeths- so you have no idea of what it is about. If you interpret the verse raw you will think 'OMG he feared men more than allah' )
Muhammad (SAW) was not perfect. That is an important thing to remember.
Now according to 661 it is something to do with pleasing Muhammad?s (SAW) wives. Apparently he was unable to be equitable with them according to an oath which Allah (swt) then freed him from (or was it the sharing of the secret which was itself unequitable). It is not explicit but we know that he prohibited himself from something in attempting to please his wives. He had promised his wife something which ran counter to God?s will, and here she was admonished for holding him to it. But overall the problem was first with Muhammad (SAW) confiding a secret (clearly the oath) to one of his wives which ran counter to the right Way. Now his wife held him to this or at least made it known (to another wife), and this combination of secrecy and disobedience led to an important point about family life (the ayah following). 666 is the pith, and now if you read the Qur'an (and nothing but Qur'an) you will get Allah's (swt) guidance (the Message).
Khuda hafiz
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Peace "Badr",
That's what I thought, the wife's episode. Of course if you don't know the story -because you don't consult the hadeeths- so you have no idea of what it is about. If you interpret the verse raw you will think 'OMG he feared men more than allah'
JK- I know what the hadith say. As I said I was a sunni. How Zeid's wife desired Muhammad and so GOD wanted her to leave Zeid and be with him. This does NOT change anything because Muhammad wanted her to be married to Zeid KNOWING that that's not what GOD wanted. Which makes perfect sense coz an unhappy relationship can elad to a distater and instead of them being honest and seprating, one partner could later cheat on the other making the whole problem worse. Muhammad at that time feared what his people would say coz people had in their minds that marrying your adopted son's wife is an abomination or something like that.
SO whatever the story behind it what is clear is that Muhammad feared the people when GOD had a better right to be feared. WHY ELSE would GOD highlight this part of the story in the Quran and leave most the rest of it out? USE LOGIC AND REASON. GOD Bless! -
Muhammad (SAW) was not perfect. That is an important thing to remember.
Now according to 661 it is something to do with pleasing Muhammad?s (SAW) wives. Apparently he was unable to be equitable with them according to an oath which Allah (swt) then freed him from (or was it the sharing of the secret which was itself unequitable). It is not explicit but we know that he prohibited himself from something in attempting to please his wives. He had promised his wife something which ran counter to God?s will, and here she was admonished for holding him to it. But overall the problem was first with Muhammad (SAW) confiding a secret (clearly the oath) to one of his wives which ran counter to the right Way. Now his wife held him to this or at least made it known (to another wife), and this combination of secrecy and disobedience led to an important point about family life (the ayah following). 666 is the pith, and now if you read the Qur'an (and nothing but Qur'an) you will get Allah's (swt) guidance (the Message).
Khuda hafiz
Peace "Badr",
JK- I know what the hadith say. As I said I was a sunni. How Zeid's wife desired Muhammad and so GOD wanted her to leave Zeid and be with him. This does NOT change anything because Muhammad wanted her to be married to Zeid KNOWING that that's not what GOD wanted. Which makes perfect sense coz an unhappy relationship can elad to a distater and instead of them being honest and seprating, one partner could later cheat on the other making the whole problem worse. Muhammad at that time feared what his people would say coz people had in their minds that marrying your adopted son's wife is an abomination or something like that.
SO whatever the story behind it what is clear is that Muhammad feared the people when GOD had a better right to be feared. WHY ELSE would GOD highlight this part of the story in the Quran and leave most the rest of it out? USE LOGIC AND REASON. GOD Bless! -
Peace "Badr",
You just mentioned "the wife episode" and there are two such in the Quran 661 and 3337 and he thought you meant 661 of the two. It isn't his fault. Infact I can turn this around and make it your fault for not being more specific. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
You havn't answered this question so I'm posting it here again
- Why do you think, whilst the statement "la ilaaha ila-llah/hu" occurs many times in the Quran, IT IS NOT FOLLOWED A SIGNLE TIME BY "Muhammadurrasolullah", NOT EVEN in the sura 47, the very title of which is Muhammad, where too only "la ilaaha ilallah" is mentioned in verse 19?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
You havn't answered this question so I'm posting it here again
- Why do you think, whilst the statement "la ilaaha ila-llah/hu" occurs many times in the Quran, IT IS NOT FOLLOWED A SIGNLE TIME BY "Muhammadurrasolullah", NOT EVEN in the sura 47, the very title of which is Muhammad, where too only "la ilaaha ilallah" is mentioned in verse 19?
GOD Bless!
If you read carefully the Quran you'll realise the "affection" that God gives to Muhammad. While he call all prophets by their names with "Ya Musa" or "Ya Zakariya", he call Muhammad "Ya ayyuha annabi" or associate him to himself with "allahu wa rasooluhu" you can find this one in many verses. So if Allah loves the rasool we can only love him too.
"Say, "O mankind, I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth." (715
Also Chrisitians and jews admit that theres no God but God and you mazke the statement to admit that you follow islam as brought but Muhammad the messenger of God.
Also You witness that Muhammad is THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH not his son and not God himself like christians do.
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Peace "Badr"
If you read carefully the Quran you'll realise the "affection" that God gives to Muhammad. While he call all prophets by their names with "Ya Musa" or "Ya Zakariya", he call Muhammad "Ya ayyuha annabi" or associate him to himself with "allahu wa rasooluhu" you can find this one in many verses. So if Allah loves the rasool we can only love him too.
"Say, "O mankind, I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth." (715JK- GOD also calls all beleivers "ya ayyuhalazina 'amanu" so that is nothing special. Also for every messenger GOD has something special. For example according to Quran Muhammad had no miracles but the Quran whilst Jesus could raise te dead and Moses turn a stick into a snake etc. As to "obey the messenger" why doesnt he say "Obey Muhammad the messenger"? Ever though about that? i've perhaps already touched on the what I consider fact that this "messenger" in there is not referring exclusively to Muhammad but to all messengers, angels, humans or otherwise to reveal the message of the Quran to the people. Also the Quran itself is symbolically called a messenger
6510 GOD has prepared for them severe retribution. Therefore, you shall reverence GOD, O you who possess intelligence and believed. GOD has sent down to you a message -
6511 a messenger who recites to you GOD's revelations, clearly, to lead those who believe and work righteousness out of the darkness into the light.Also Chrisitians and jews admit that theres no God but God and you mazke the statement to admit that you follow islam as brought but Muhammad the messenger of God.
Also You witness that Muhammad is THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH not his son and not God himself like christians do.
JK- Why don't you just say "La ilaaha ilallah wal Quranul Kitaabullah" then? That would include Muhammad and all messengers without distincly mentioning his name and would make you distinct from Jews and Christians. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr"
JK- GOD also calls all beleivers "ya ayyuhalazina 'amanu" so that is nothing special.
If he starts to name them the quran would make billion pages D he named some of them thought like Zaid. He also said Muhammad and those with him.
Also for every messenger GOD has something special. For example according to Quran Muhammad had no miracles but the Quran whilst Jesus could raise te dead and Moses turn a stick into a snake etc. As to "obey the messenger" why doesnt he say "Obey Muhammad the messenger"?
It's a honor that He gave him. God is kind with His apostle.
Ever though about that? i've perhaps already touched on the what I consider fact that this "messenger" in there is not referring exclusively to Muhammad but to all messengers, angels, humans or otherwise to reveal the message of the Quran to the people.
nope
Also the Quran itself is symbolically called a messenger
6510 GOD has prepared for them severe retribution. Therefore, you shall reverence GOD, O you who possess intelligence and believed. GOD has sent down to you a message -Ok message = Quran
6511 a messenger who recites to you GOD's revelations, clearly, to lead those who believe and work righteousness out of the darkness into the light.
nope
JK- Why don't you just say "La ilaaha ilallah wal Quranul Kitaabullah" then? That would include Muhammad and all messengers without distincly mentioning his name and would make you distinct from Jews and Christians. GOD Bless!
1-Your question was why to say Muhammad ; I already explained why Muhammad, Quran brought by Muhammad, testify that he is a human and a messenger, I think this is more that cristal clear.
2-Quran kitabullah wouldnt include Muhammad and all messengers or if it would that have no sens at all.
3-"without distincly mentioning his name" why wouldnt I mention his name or do anything to avoid mentionning his name ? He is the one about whom God said "and We sent you as a mercy for all mankind", are you outta your mind ?
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Peace "Badr",
If he starts to name them the quran would make billion pages D he named some of them thought like Zaid. He also said Muhammad and those with him.
JK- I wanted to show when GOD says "ya ayuhallazina amanu" he means all BELIEVERS not only Prophets and messengers. So "ya ayuhal" is not a unique term reserved for Muhammad.
It's a honor that He gave him. God is kind with His apostle.
JK- That is your interpretation. I don't agree that is a case because of the many points we've discussed that go with in I beleive it was qs 4.
nope
JK- YES way. Just because you can't free yourself of what your "scholars" have interpreted for you, doesn't mean we can't.
Ok message = Quran
nope
JK- AGAIN use your logic. The verses are clearly connected. The first ends with "message/remembrance" then the next continues the topic and starts off with "a messenger". It does not say "GOD has sent to you a message AND(wa) a messenger who..." in which case your point would make sense.
1-Your question was why to say Muhammad ; I already explained why Muhammad, Quran brought by Muhammad, testify that he is a human and a messenger, I think this is more that cristal clear.
JK- Now my question is why not say "Quranul Kitabullah" or soemthing similar which distinguished you from otherr religions, yet does not signle out the name of a messenger.
2-Quran kitabullah wouldnt include Muhammad and all messengers or if it would that have no sens at all.
JK- But if you acknoledge that the Quran is the Book/Word of GOD THEN you would have admitted that muhammad is a messenger cause THAT IS STATED IN IT and all messengers of GOD before him. Get my point now?
3-"without distincly mentioning his name" why wouldnt I mention his name or do anything to avoid mentionning his name ? He is the one about whom God said "and We sent you as a mercy for all mankind", are you outta your mind ?
JK- "'alameen" doesnt necessarily mean the entire world for all time OTHERWISE Noah is most blessed amongst the worlds or Mary would have to be the highest of all women
3779 Peace be upon Noah from the worlds('alameen)
342 Behold! the angels said "O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of thw world('alal 'alameen).
GOD Bless! -
If he starts to name them the quran would make billion pages D he named some of them thought like Zaid. He also said Muhammad and those with him.
It's a honor that He gave him. God is kind with His apostle.
nope
Ok message = Quran
nope
1-Your question was why to say Muhammad ; I already explained why Muhammad, Quran brought by Muhammad, testify that he is a human and a messenger, I think this is more that cristal clear.
2-Quran kitabullah wouldnt include Muhammad and all messengers or if it would that have no sens at all.
3-"without distincly mentioning his name" why wouldnt I mention his name or do anything to avoid mentionning his name ? He is the one about whom God said "and We sent you as a mercy for all mankind", are you outta your mind ?
63.1 When the Hypocrites come to thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed the Messenger of Allah." Yea, Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His Messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the Hypocrites are indeed liars.
4.152 To those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make no distinction between any of the messengers, we shall soon give their (due) rewards for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
3.84 Say "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."
2.136 Say ye "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord We make no difference between one and another of them And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
2.285 The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say "We hear, and we obey (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
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Peace "Badr",
JK- I wanted to show when GOD says "ya ayuhallazina amanu" he means all BELIEVERS not only Prophets and messengers. So "ya ayuhal" is not a unique term reserved for Muhammad.
Of course it is not unique, I was talking about the fact that He called the prophet with his status like when you say to a king "your highness" or to a president "Mr President", get it ?
JK- That is your interpretation. I don't agree that is a case because of the many points we've discussed that go with in I beleive it was qs 4.
You didnt get anything from the message of the Quran with your static scientific brain.
JK- YES way. Just because you can't free yourself of what your "scholars" have interpreted for you, doesn't mean we can't.
Yes, you can, because you are so superior to normal human beign that you can find stuff that others didnt.
JK- AGAIN use your logic. The verses are clearly connected. The first ends with "message/remembrance" then the next continues the topic and starts off with "a messenger". It does not say "GOD has sent to you a message AND(wa) a messenger who..." in which case your point would make sense.
Of course it does, He sent a message brought by a menssenger. It mames more than sense
JK- Now my question is why not say "Quranul Kitabullah" or soemthing similar which distinguished you from otherr religions, yet does not signle out the name of a messenger.
Because I love to say the name of the messenger. Don't you ?
JK- But if you acknoledge that the Quran is the Book/Word of GOD THEN you would have admitted that muhammad is a messenger cause THAT IS STATED IN IT and all messengers of GOD before him. Get my point now?
Pharao is also stated in it.
JK- "'alameen" doesnt necessarily mean the entire world for all time OTHERWISE Noah is most blessed amongst the worlds or Mary would have to be the highest of all women
3779 Peace be upon Noah from the worlds('alameen)
342 Behold! the angels said "O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of thw world('alal 'alameen).
GOD Bless!what Khuluqun Adheem means to you ? you know the world Adheem ? like Al Quran Al Adheem or Al Aleey Al Adheem or also Adhab Adheem. From God's "mouth".
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Peace "Badr",
Of course it is not unique, I was talking about the fact that He called the prophet with his status like when you say to a king "your highness" or to a president "Mr President", get it ?
JK- So if it's nothing special that is not also used for other messengers then how does this justify you saying that Muhammad is a unique and special messenger and exclusively mention him after GOD's name WHILST GOD has clearly said not to make disctinction amongst any of his messengers?
You didnt get anything from the message of the Quran with your static scientific brain.
JK- You do know that "static scientific" is an oxymoron, don't you? Cause scientifc thinking by definition is fluid and open to new evidence all the time.
Yes, you can, because you are so superior to normal human beign that you can find stuff that others didnt.
JK- Nothing to do with superiority. Anyone can do what we're doing if they're willing to stop putting their "scholars" on a pedestrial and start using reason and logic. Think outside the box.
Of course it does, He sent a message brought by a menssenger. It mames more than sense
JK- In that case the verse would most likely run like ".sent down to you a message/reminder WITH/through(BI) a messenger..." which is not the case. The verse just starts with "messenger" right after "reminder/message" thus making it apparent the latter being a description of the former and not something separate. It's like "I like to give you this pencil" and then continue "a utility for you to write...". As you can see in this style the later just described the former further and is not something separate from it.
Because I love to say the name of the messenger. Don't you ?
JK- If you randomly said the names of various messengers or inspired peopl which are stated in the Quran, like one day Noah, another Adam, Mary, Jesus and then also Muhammad, I would not have seen a problem. BUT you insist Muhamad being special. In your tashahud you never recite the name of any other messenger or just mention the name of GOD along with your belief in the Quran as i said earlier. You insist on mentioning Muhammad.
Pharao is also stated in it.
JK- What has this got to do with my point? Here i suspect you now being disonest as it can't be that you don't understand what I mean here. THE PT WAS that if you acknoledge the Quran you've acknoledged Islam and made yourself distinct from other relgions WITHOUT discriminating between any of GOD's messengers. Also if you deny Pharaoh existed whilst beleiving in Muhammad you are contradicting yourself.
what Khuluqun Adheem means to you ? you know the world Adheem ? like Al Quran Al Adheem or Al Aleey Al Adheem or also Adhab Adheem. From God's "mouth".
JK- Azeem means "great". BUT you've already admitted that GOD also called people AL-halim and another attribute with "al" which are also used for GOD. Here this attribute used for Muhammad is without "al", SO WHY AGAIN are you taking certain attributes and implying hence Muhammad must be the greaTEST of all WHILST GOD has balanced it out and made CLEAR not to make any distinction between GOD's messengers. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- So if it's nothing special that is not also used for other messengers then how does this justify you saying that Muhammad is a unique and special messenger and exclusively mention him after GOD's name WHILST GOD has clearly said not to make disctinction amongst any of his messengers?
JK- You do know that "static scientific" is an oxymoron, don't you? Cause scientifc thinking by definition is fluid and open to new evidence all the time.
JK- Nothing to do with superiority. Anyone can do what we're doing if they're willing to stop putting their "scholars" on a pedestrial and start using reason and logic. Think outside the box.
JK- In that case the verse would most likely run like ".sent down to you a message/reminder WITH/through(BI) a messenger..." which is not the case. The verse just starts with "messenger" right after "reminder/message" thus making it apparent the latter being a description of the former and not something separate. It's like "I like to give you this pencil" and then continue "a utility for you to write...". As you can see in this style the later just described the former further and is not something separate from it.
JK- If you randomly said the names of various messengers or inspired peopl which are stated in the Quran, like one day Noah, another Adam, Mary, Jesus and then also Muhammad, I would not have seen a problem. BUT you insist Muhamad being special. In your tashahud you never recite the name of any other messenger or just mention the name of GOD along with your belief in the Quran as i said earlier. You insist on mentioning Muhammad.
JK- What has this got to do with my point? Here i suspect you now being disonest as it can't be that you don't understand what I mean here. THE PT WAS that if you acknoledge the Quran you've acknoledged Islam and made yourself distinct from other relgions WITHOUT discriminating between any of GOD's messengers. Also if you deny Pharaoh existed whilst beleiving in Muhammad you are contradicting yourself.
JK- Azeem means "great". BUT you've already admitted that GOD also called people AL-halim and another attribute with "al" which are also used for GOD. Here this attribute used for Muhammad is without "al", SO WHY AGAIN are you taking certain attributes and implying hence Muhammad must be the greaTEST of all WHILST GOD has balanced it out and made CLEAR not to make any distinction between GOD's messengers. GOD Bless!
I was first denying it but now I am totally convinced , you have a problem with prophet Muhammad in particular, of course you won't follow his sayings, it's obvious now, even if someone gives you all the juridiciary proofs you need you won't be convinced because it's more simple than all that, your problem is with Muhammad plain and simple.
If you are blind to see what he did for you (as well as other prophets) you aint going nowhere.
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Peace "Badr",
I was first denying it but now I am totally convinced , you have a problem with prophet Muhammad in particular, of course you won't follow his sayings, it's obvious now, even if someone gives you all the juridiciary proofs you need you won't be convinced because it's more simple than all that, your problem is with Muhammad plain and simple.
JK- Stop your now accusing me of somehting which is NOT TRUE A ALL. I respect and love Muhammad just as any other messenger or inspired person of GOD. NOW IF you had such evidence, and you don't and most probably never will, I would readily accept many of the hadith other than Quran actually coming from the Prophet Muhammad and commanding something. HOWEVER at the same time I would also need independent evidence from the same indepedent source suggesting that no Quranic injunction contradicts the following of those commandments outside of it and/or that it is actually mandatory.
If you are blind to see what he did for you (as well as other prophets) you aint going nowhere.
JK- I see very well what he did for us. He brought the Quran to us, gradually in his time which is an incredibly GREAT JOB. Also technically this means he explained previously delivered Quranic verses with the ones following after them, coz they all came through his mouth, also all now in the Quran. Apart from that i can imagine that he also must have been a generally humble and very nice man. BUT the rest is all speculation. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Stop your now accusing me of somehting which is NOT TRUE A ALL. I respect and love Muhammad just as any other messenger or inspired person of GOD. NOW IF you had such evidence, and you don't and most probably never will, I would readily accept many of the hadith other than Quran actually coming from the Prophet Muhammad and commanding something. HOWEVER at the same time I would also need independent evidence from the same indepedent source suggesting that no Quranic injunction contradicts the following of those commandments outside of it and/or that it is actually mandatory.
You have a mind that you claim is superior to most people who studied Quran, you can use it to see if the commandment contradicts the quran or no. If you are able to decypher such little details in Quran it would be easier for you to compare the commandment of the hadeeth with what have been brought in the quran.
JK- I see very well what he did for us. He brought the Quran to us, gradually in his time which is an incredibly GREAT JOB. Also technically this means he explained previously delivered Quranic verses with the ones following after them, coz they all came through his mouth, also all now in the Quran. Apart from that i can imagine that he also must have been a generally humble and very nice man. BUT the rest is all speculation. GOD Bless!
What is the rest ? it's all you have to know, and starting from that you can say if he commanded such or such commandment.
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Peace "Badr",
You have a mind that you claim is superior to most people who studied Quran, you can use it to see if the commandment contradicts the quran or no.
JK- And I've shown you how in my understanding and that of almost all Quran Alone Muslims it does contradict the Quran because you're thereby making a distinction of GOD's messengers if you insist on his name being inserted ion the Adhaan and Shahaadah and exluding all other messengers.
If you are able to decypher such little details in Quran it would be easier for you to compare the commandment of the hadeeth with what have been brought in the quran.
JK- Quran Alone Muslims believe that the Quran's verses should be used to explain other Quranic verses and not hadith. Infact we Muslims say that the Quran specifically uses the term "hadith", whilst it couldve used many others if it just meant stories/sayings, and condemned any after GOD's revelations to be of any religious value.
What is the rest ? it's all you have to know, and starting from that you can say if he commanded such or such commandment.
JK- There is nothing else. Whatever is commanded in the Quran is also commanded by the messenger technically since it came from his mouth. Plain and simple. Infact nothing is commanded by Allah directly hence there is a verse in the Quran which says that if you obey the messenger you've obeyed GOD and in effect you'd have done so. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- And I've shown you how in my understanding and that of almost all Quran Alone Muslims it does contradict the Quran because you're thereby making a distinction of GOD's messengers if you insist on his name being inserted ion the Adhaan and Shahaadah and exluding all other messengers.
If if it wasnt justified I don't see how it could bother you.
JK- Quran Alone Muslims believe that the Quran's verses should be used to explain other Quranic verses and not hadith. Infact we Muslims say that the Quran specifically uses the term "hadith", whilst it couldve used many others if it just meant stories/sayings, and condemned any after GOD's revelations to be of any religious value.
Yes it is a belief, it may be true and it may be false, it is obviously false because you need hadith whether you want it or not, each time you read a translation of Quran theres a huge amount of hadeeth in it and you dont seem to be aware of this. NOBODY ever translated quran without referring to hadith.
JK- There is nothing else. Whatever is commanded in the Quran is also commanded by the messenger technically since it came from his mouth. Plain and simple. Infact nothing is commanded by Allah directly hence there is a verse in the Quran which says that if you obey the messenger you've obeyed GOD and in effect you'd have done so. GOD Bless!
You're not obeying the messenger by skipping how he teached salaat etc...